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Does Ultramar provide tithes for Imperial Guard regiments? Or do they all remain in Ultramar's PDF forces?

They give regiments to the Guard, but they don't "tithe," because it is voluntary.

Ultramar contributes to the sector defense, and Ultramar PDF forces fight alongside the Guard, but all the sources suggest that the PDF units raised in Ultramar stay under the command of Ultramar. Now how that works to be codex compliant has never really been explored or explained. Because, after all, when you consider their sector fleet and combined PDF regiments, the Ultramarines are without a doubt projecting more power than any othe Space Marine chapter, even the Black Templars, just by virtue of sheer numbers.

Their as always the top enchilada on the space marine plate, and it makes sense for the poster boy blue berries to have the best toys.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Ultramar contributes to the sector defense, and Ultramar PDF forces fight alongside the Guard, but all the sources suggest that the PDF units raised in Ultramar stay under the command of Ultramar. Now how that works to be codex compliant has never really been explored or explained. Because, after all, when you consider their sector fleet and combined PDF regiments, the Ultramarines are without a doubt projecting more power than any othe Space Marine chapter, even the Black Templars, just by virtue of sheer numbers.

Not to mention that their PDF infantry isn't anything to laugh at either, and is probably on par with Regiments fielded by the Vostroyans or Mechanicum Skitari. Lots of dakka, exceptional training, and quality gear.

Ah the Ultramarines. Proving that even the Chapter who's primarch wrote the Codex Astartes doesn't really adhere to it where it counts.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Ah the Ultramarines. Proving that even the Chapter who's primarch wrote the Codex Astartes doesn't really adhere to it where it counts.

There was nothing in the Codex saying you couldn't keep a private army and private fleet.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Ah the Ultramarines. Proving that even the Chapter who's primarch wrote the Codex Astartes doesn't really adhere to it where it counts.

There was nothing in the Codex saying you couldn't keep a private army and private fleet.

To be fair, we don't really know what the Codex says about much of anything. Even the stuff we're "fairly certain" about is mostly speculation and "educated guess" territory.

Of course, that's intentional. Since the writers aren't hundreds of years old military geniuses, it serves them better to be vague. I mean, look how ludicrously silly the Graham McNeill novels are where they suggest specific things like the Codex wouldn't allow you to improvise the use of explosives. Or that new Ultramarines audio drama where Guilliman has an "Aha" moment about something a private just out of boot camp could have come up with. The smart authors just roll with the vague ideas about it being this Big Book of Battle Fighting.

IIRC Ultramar doesn't contribute directly to the Imperial Guard but runs its own PDF/"Ultraguard" for defense of the realm of Ultramar and nearby regions in support of the Imperial Guard, under the command of the Chapter Master of the Ultramarines in his role as Governor.

Rather odd however given the intentional cleaving of the Imperial Army from the Space Marines and the creation of the Codex Astartes to prevent exactly this sort of a setup from existing

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Ah the Ultramarines. Proving that even the Chapter who's primarch wrote the Codex Astartes doesn't really adhere to it where it counts.

There was nothing in the Codex saying you couldn't keep a private army and private fleet.

To be fair, we don't really know what the Codex says about much of anything. Even the stuff we're "fairly certain" about is mostly speculation and "educated guess" territory.

Of course, that's intentional. Since the writers aren't hundreds of years old military geniuses, it serves them better to be vague. I mean, look how ludicrously silly the Graham McNeill novels are where they suggest specific things like the Codex wouldn't allow you to improvise the use of explosives. Or that new Ultramarines audio drama where Guilliman has an "Aha" moment about something a private just out of boot camp could have come up with. The smart authors just roll with the vague ideas about it being this Big Book of Battle Fighting.

Which makes sense. We don't practice tactical doctrine written for the Roman Legions. We do however still teach the Art of War.

Ultramarines are hypocrites. I wish Ultramar had been annihilated and the UM were forced to move somewhere where they wouldn't be able to have a personal army at their disposal.

 dusara217 wrote:
Ultramarines are hypocrites. I wish Ultramar had been annihilated and the UM were forced to move somewhere where they wouldn't be able to have a personal army at their disposal.

Except there's nothing hypocrtical about them. Again, Index Astartes only demands the breakup of the legions. It doesn't state anything about having private armies.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:
Ultramarines are hypocrites. I wish Ultramar had been annihilated and the UM were forced to move somewhere where they wouldn't be able to have a personal army at their disposal.

Except there's nothing hypocrtical about them. Again, Index Astartes only demands the breakup of the legions. It doesn't state anything about having private armies.

There was a reason they cleaved the Imperial Army from Space Marine control and split it into the Guard and Navy, and Guilleman was at the head of those changes IIRC.

 dusara217 wrote:
Ultramarines are hypocrites. I wish Ultramar had been annihilated and the UM were forced to move somewhere where they wouldn't be able to have a personal army at their disposal.

So, about those Rune Priests...

 Ashiraya wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:
Ultramarines are hypocrites. I wish Ultramar had been annihilated and the UM were forced to move somewhere where they wouldn't be able to have a personal army at their disposal.

So, about those Rune Priests...

Heh. Cold water, anyone?

 Ashiraya wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:
Ultramarines are hypocrites. I wish Ultramar had been annihilated and the UM were forced to move somewhere where they wouldn't be able to have a personal army at their disposal.

So, about those Rune Priests...

Rune Priests are brainwashed into thinking that their power doesn't come from the Warp. And, for all we know, it might come from a different dimension of power, as it is never explicitly stated that the RP are true blue Psykers.

And, the Space Wolves never tried to force their philosophies onto other chapters like Guilliman and the Ultramarines did.

... dusara, let me tell you about this little thing called the Council of Nikea...

 Furyou Miko wrote:
... dusara, let me tell you about this little thing called the Council of Nikea...

Which banned Librarians, not Rune Priests or Psykers in general. And I honestly can't remember who was the one who instigated that, but I thought that it was the Emprah reprimanding Magnus for researching the Warp before the Emperor had time to actually teach him.

The Ultramarines might have their own realm, but they don't technically command the PDF there. Marneus Calgar is also the Imperial Governor of Ultramar. And it would be very rude to suggest such a respected peer of the IoM can't juggle his two roles, wouldn't it? Not to mention the Ultramar PDF sends volunteer regiments when they don't have to. That's hard cash straight up front whenever someone takes a look at how it works out there. (Hint: it seems to work well, so better go look at something that works less well)

The fleet, however - does anything suggest the UM have anything more than their own Chapter fleet and non-FTL capable in-system defenses? The real fleet came in to help them against the Tyranids after all.

Marneus Calgar commands both massive amounts of highly trained Imperial Guard and a full Chapter of Space Marines Special Forces, as well as almost every successor Chapter of the UM. The fact of the matter is, Calgar basically commands the same forces as a Primarch would, which is exactly what Guilliman prevented with all of the other chapters, except for his own.

The ultramarines have no character they sponged tradition off other legions.
They have no individuality no specialisation or cool ness why should they lord it over every other chapter.

Let me put the bickering to rest. As per the right of conquest which is the right of all chapters, upon declaring a world as their own, the world is immediately classified Aptus Non and stricken from all tithing records. These worlds are the personal worlds of the Adeptus Astartes and are considered prohibited for taxation due to the burden of supplying a chapter with their recruits, base of operations, and most general servants and slaves. As per the fact that this only is laid against Macragge, one thing that must be taken into account is that Ultramar is a Subsector in and of itself, and thus is semi-autonomous. Do they tithe Imperial Guard regiments from stock? No. Do they tithe regiments to the Ultramar Auxilia? Several hundred over the region, yes. Now, one thing that can be pointed out is that Ultramar does in fact send out its Auxilia to support campaigns, as per the second edition codex and partially referred to in the 5th edition codex by the fact that they do travel and get around. Now, the defense fleet is specifically tasked with the protection of Ultramar as a subsector fleet. It's not going to get around much. It doesn't matter who calls them, but they will come, provided it is in the defense of the realm. Calgar does not have complete control over the fleet except those assets in and around Macragge herself. Ironically, they can actually refuse him aid if other closer worlds are in as much danger as Macragge itself.

 dusara217 wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
... dusara, let me tell you about this little thing called the Council of Nikea...

Which banned Librarians, not Rune Priests or Psykers in general. And I honestly can't remember who was the one who instigated that, but I thought that it was the Emprah reprimanding Magnus for researching the Warp before the Emperor had time to actually teach him.

A tremendously revisionist view of the event which certainly skirts its spirit, even if one wants to think not its outright meaning. It's a huge part of why the SW's look like gigantic hypocrite gasbags during the Horus Heresy.

 e.earnshaw wrote:
The ultramarines have no character they sponged tradition off other legions.
They have no individuality no specialisation or cool ness why should they lord it over every other chapter.

They have a character and specialization. They're Rome/America and are the absolute masters of logistics. It certainly isn't the most impressive part of warfare, but it is the absolute most critical part of war.

 dusara217 wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:
Ultramarines are hypocrites. I wish Ultramar had been annihilated and the UM were forced to move somewhere where they wouldn't be able to have a personal army at their disposal.

So, about those Rune Priests...

Rune Priests are brainwashed into thinking that their power doesn't come from the Warp. And, for all we know, it might come from a different dimension of power, as it is never explicitly stated that the RP are true blue Psykers.

And, the Space Wolves never tried to force their philosophies onto other chapters like Guilliman and the Ultramarines did.

They're not Psykers...

.... they're Sorcerers.

Ultramarines are massive hypocrites, and clearly violate the spirit, if not the letter, of Codex Astartes.

And this is absolutely the coolest thing about them; it makes them something much more grimdark than just blue boy scouts.

 Crimson wrote:
Ultramarines are massive hypocrites, and clearly violate the spirit, if not the letter, of Codex Astartes.

And this is absolutely the coolest thing about them; it makes them something much more grimdark than just blue boy scouts.

feth THE GRIMDARK. JUST MAKE A GOOD SETTING. I'm getting sick of everybody talking about the grimdark and how awesome the grimdark and this enhances the grimdark, and that enhances the grimdark. Just shut up about the fething grimdark.

Back on the subject of the Ultramarian IG, they should just be turned into ordinary regiments, sort of like how Cadia supplies a gak-ton of regiments for the IG, the Ultramarians should do the same instead of the Ultramarines having their own little private army of hypocrasy.

Also, SW truly believed that their Rune Priests weren't Psykers.

Good for them. That doesn't make what they believe true.

There is also the Genesis Chapter. In effect, the Ultramarines have another chapter's worth of reserves. I would assume that violates their limits on the amount of battle brothers per chapter.

The Genesis Chapter is not the Ultramarines Chapter so... no, it doesn't. It's not the same Chapter.

It also bears noting that a Space Marine Homeworld is not required to tithe anything to the Adeptus Terra. Its tithe-grade is Adepta Non. Macragge is perfectly within its rights to maintain its own standing armies and such, in exactly the same way that every other Chapter with a populated Homeworld does. The only real difference here is that Ultramar is not some Stone Age backwater, but an advanced, thriving world of high-tech industry.