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Who would win, in a 100 vs. 100 vs. 100 units battle? I personally think the Astartes, because they have 2 hearts, pretty strong bones, Bolters, etc. I know that some might argue that a Spartan would win because of agility, but come on, would MJOLNIR really survive a burst of Bolter fire?

I think all in all astartes would win.

As far as I remember, Starcraft marines are just regular humans with sophisticated armor.

A space marine is bigger, stronger and faster than even Master chief so I have no idea why they wouldn't win against 'regular' spartans. To top it of, they have better weaponry since a bolter round would probably match a M41 rocket impact (in terms of strenght).

Unknown. The problem with these sorts of comparisons is you need numbers. Where as some fictional universes (such as star wars or star trek) have resources to be used to determine low-end numbers, others (such as wh40k) have so much conflicting information we cannot make any reasonable calculations.

MJOLNIR armor is actually surprisingly weak in terms of protection.

The shield is the only substantial protection it offers, and it gets overloaded with even a couple weak hits from a covenant plasma pistol. Legendary difficulty is the "canon" difficulty setting if you want to do comparisons. And once the shield is down, the Spartan goes down quickly.

Spartans are also far inferior in terms of genetic and physical modifications.

Its a common misconception that Space Marines are slow. They're not. Their armor actually makes them faster! Books written from the POV of normal humans describe Marines moving as blurs and that its unsettling how something so large can move so fast.

Starcraft armor appears to be of similar protection and technology as 40k power armor. The fact they're still just normal humans puts them squarely behind Space Marines. They'd basically have SoB statlines.

Happyjew makes the correct assumption here. It is like trying to compare apples, to vegetables, to processed lunch meat.

Not really.

When we don't have numbers, we look at events with a calculable(or close enough) value and we compare from there.

As it has been said we know for a deffinate reason that the Astartes would win.

I think Screwatttack/DeathBattles should make a video about this.

We really don't have any actual comparable information. The only thing we actually know is that Spartans are much faster and stronger than unaltered humans, and that Astartes are much stronger and faster than unaltered humans, and that each wears a suit of power armor that similarly makes them much faster and stronger than they already are. Especially considering that plasma weapons kill Astartes as easily as they seem to kill Spartans when both are in full armor, about the only reasonably quantifiable comparison you can actually make and actually support in a meaningful way is that bolters have more firepower in general than the Spartan's standard small arms. Any supposition beyond that comes down purely to how much of a fanboy you are of the respective faction.

 Grey Templar wrote:
MJOLNIR armor is actually surprisingly weak in terms of protection.

The shield is the only substantial protection it offers, and it gets overloaded with even a couple weak hits from a covenant plasma pistol. Legendary difficulty is the "canon" difficulty setting if you want to do comparisons. And once the shield is down, the Spartan goes down quickly.

Spartans are also far inferior in terms of genetic and physical modifications.

Its a common misconception that Space Marines are slow. They're not. Their armor actually makes them faster! Books written from the POV of normal humans describe Marines moving as blurs and that its unsettling how something so large can move so fast.

Starcraft armor appears to be of similar protection and technology as 40k power armor. The fact they're still just normal humans puts them squarely behind Space Marines. They'd basically have SoB statlines.

Generally this is true, 40k marines generally kick ass when compared to other settings. That's just the way 40k is. It is meant to be over the top and insane and it is meant to sound hardcore. It is the nature of it, trying to compare it to other things is hard because 40k reaches levels of hyperviolence only dreamed about by franchises like Halo, Starcraft, Generic mecha anime #376, generic sci-fi #27 and others. That's what makes 40k special, nowhere else can a Rambo equivalent fight alien, nowhere else are there Scottish ninja assassins who make demon worlds their personal playthings, and nowhere else does fungus fight with guns. That's what its about. such comparisons are meaningless as I have yet to find something the forces of 40k could not beat the gak out of. Generally because it draws from basically everything meaning most factions will have experience fighting an equivalent of basically anything in scifi.

In short such comparisons are weighted in favor of 40k.

 DarkLink wrote:
We really don't have any actual comparable information. The only thing we actually know is that Spartans are much faster and stronger than unaltered humans, and that Astartes are much stronger and faster than unaltered humans, and that each wears a suit of power armor that similarly makes them much faster and stronger than they already are. Especially considering that plasma weapons kill Astartes as easily as they seem to kill Spartans when both are in full armor, about the only reasonably quantifiable comparison you can actually make and actually support in a meaningful way is that bolters have more firepower in general than the Spartan's standard small arms. Any supposition beyond that comes down purely to how much of a fanboy you are of the respective faction.

Covenant Plasma Pistols are objectively far far weaker than 40k Plasma pistols.

40k Plasma can put holes in battle tanks. The Covenant Plasma pistol is the basic weapon of grunts and it can barely scratch the paint on a glorified ATV.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 DarkLink wrote:
We really don't have any actual comparable information. The only thing we actually know is that Spartans are much faster and stronger than unaltered humans, and that Astartes are much stronger and faster than unaltered humans, and that each wears a suit of power armor that similarly makes them much faster and stronger than they already are. Especially considering that plasma weapons kill Astartes as easily as they seem to kill Spartans when both are in full armor, about the only reasonably quantifiable comparison you can actually make and actually support in a meaningful way is that bolters have more firepower in general than the Spartan's standard small arms. Any supposition beyond that comes down purely to how much of a fanboy you are of the respective faction.

Covenant Plasma Pistols are objectively far far weaker than 40k Plasma pistols.

40k Plasma can put holes in battle tanks. The Covenant Plasma pistol is the basic weapon of grunts and it can barely scratch the paint on a glorified ATV.

True, and most settings lack the high powered weapons to take down marines.

Oh, this thread again.
A bolter is a grenade launcher with a delayed fuse and a penetrating tip.

How well does MJOLNIR armor protect against explosives?
Also, Space Marines are a lot more nimble than they look.

A Spartan can die from as little as 9 hits from a Battle Rifle which is the equivalent of a stubber. Not even a Lasgun. Just a stubber.

The battle rifle wishes.

Stubbers are literally M2 .50 cals.

 Grey Templar wrote:
The battle rifle wishes.

Stubbers are literally M2 .50 cals.

It would be cool to just see a warhammer 40k day where a bunch of animators animated a bunch 40k space marines just fighting against famous super heroes. (Superman dead, Batman dead, kratos dead, hulk win, captain america dead)

Also who said Starcraft marines? Those guys would get their butts kicked.

Lets face it space marines are all super heroes if they were given guns and highly advanced equipment.

The OP mentioned StarCraft marines.

My favvorite thing to do with cross ip matchups is to challenge people to find a non 40k army that can beat the guard. I have yet to find one.

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
The battle rifle wishes.

Stubbers are literally M2 .50 cals.

It would be cool to just see a warhammer 40k day where a bunch of animators animated a bunch 40k space marines just fighting against famous super heroes.

Also who said Starcraft marines? Those guys would get their butts kicked.

I guess the Marvel world is getting nuked then. Mutants everywhere.

No, that's a Heavy Stubber. Regular stubbers are basically 20th century guns in the 41st Millennium. Halo's weapons are basically cold war stuff with more blinky lights attached to them. Actually, they're worse than stuff you'd find in the cold war. The MA5C Assault Rifle has an effective range of 300 meters and has a muzzle velocity of of 905 m/s. The M16 has an effective range of 600 meters with a muzzle velocity of 948 m/s and it has a superior rate of fire.

Really, all a Space Marine would have to do is to stand 600 meters away and blow the crap out of the Spartan with his bolter. All the Spartan could so is just plink away with a gakky rifle that was outdated centuries before it's introduction.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
The battle rifle wishes.

Stubbers are literally M2 .50 cals.

It would be cool to just see a warhammer 40k day where a bunch of animators animated a bunch 40k space marines just fighting against famous super heroes.

Also who said Starcraft marines? Those guys would get their butts kicked.

I guess the Marvel world is getting nuked then. Mutants everywhere.

Then the only survivor would be the hulk. XD

 Asherian Command wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
The battle rifle wishes.

Stubbers are literally M2 .50 cals.

It would be cool to just see a warhammer 40k day where a bunch of animators animated a bunch 40k space marines just fighting against famous super heroes.

Also who said Starcraft marines? Those guys would get their butts kicked.

I guess the Marvel world is getting nuked then. Mutants everywhere.

Then the only survivor would be the hulk. XD

The Hulk is the exact type of creature Mass Reactive Bolter shells were designed to take out.

 The Home Nuggeteer wrote:
My favvorite thing to do with cross ip matchups is to challenge people to find a non 40k army that can beat the guard. I have yet to find one.

The Culture are pretty badass, apparently.
The Saudaukar can probably give them a run for their money.
Any faction from Supreme Commander will just crap all over the guard.

Oh, you have billions of infantry? Well an ACU can build a structure that churns out automated killing machines that are somewhere between the size of dreadnaughts and knights. In seconds.
That's just the basic "infantry"

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 The Home Nuggeteer wrote:
My favvorite thing to do with cross ip matchups is to challenge people to find a non 40k army that can beat the guard. I have yet to find one.

The Culture are pretty badass, apparently.
The Saudaukar can probably give them a run for their money.
Any faction from Supreme Commander will just crap all over the guard.

Oh, you have billions of infantry? Well an ACU can build a structure that churns out automated killing machines that are somewhere between the size of dreadnaughts and knights. In seconds.
That's just the basic "infantry"

Indeed, although Supreme Commander has the problem of no Space Ships. They're literally stuck going to planets they can teleport to. And 40k rules the Void!

 TheCustomLime wrote:
No, that's a Heavy Stubber. Regular stubbers are basically 20th century guns in the 41st Millennium. Halo's weapons are basically cold war stuff with more blinky lights attached to them. Actually, they're worse than stuff you'd find in the cold war. The MA5C Assault Rifle has an effective range of 300 meters and has a muzzle velocity of of 905 m/s. The M16 has an effective range of 600 meters with a muzzle velocity of 948 m/s and it has a superior rate of fire.

Really, all a Space Marine would have to do is to stand 600 meters away and blow the crap out of the Spartan with his bolter. All the Spartan could so is just plink away with a gakky rifle that was outdated centuries before it's introduction.

You mean the Stub Rifle? Yeah, that's basically a high caliber hunting rifle.
There is no such thing as a regular stubber, apparently.

It goes

Stub gun (pistols)

Stub Rifle (just an rifle)

Heavy Stubber (Old fashioned heavy machine gun)

No mentioning of a stubber on lexicanum.


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 Grey Templar wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 The Home Nuggeteer wrote:
My favvorite thing to do with cross ip matchups is to challenge people to find a non 40k army that can beat the guard. I have yet to find one.

The Culture are pretty badass, apparently.
The Saudaukar can probably give them a run for their money.
Any faction from Supreme Commander will just crap all over the guard.

Oh, you have billions of infantry? Well an ACU can build a structure that churns out automated killing machines that are somewhere between the size of dreadnaughts and knights. In seconds.
That's just the basic "infantry"

Indeed, although Supreme Commander has the problem of no Space Ships. They're literally stuck going to planets they can teleport to. And 40k rules the Void!

Yeah, that's true. Imperial Guard aren't the Navy though

My friend ran math on these guys once and their skills and equipment fluff-wise.
An unarmed 40k marine will beat them both combined.
And by unarmed I mean one with no hands.

 BoomWolf wrote:
My friend ran math on these guys once and their skills and equipment fluff-wise.
An unarmed 40k marine will beat them both combined.
And by unarmed I mean one with no hands.

Like this?

Starcraft marines win. Better armor, better guns.

Well disadvantage spartan.

There where not even 100 spartan 2.
Spartan 4 are not as advanced in some regards. There upgraded adults.

And marines are more a advanced than spartan 2.
There weapons and bodies are better and have experience advantage. Plus the battle rufle vs power armour = lol!
Basic tactical marines have decades potentially on even the master chief. A Sgt even more.
Officers, this is unfair!

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Starcraft marines win. Better armor, better guns.

Hardly. At best they're equal, which still leaves the fact its just a normal human wearing the thing.

But only one heart and the first set of lungs. Also, not fearless.