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2012/05/25 12:59:51
Subject: Re:Black Library News & Rumours Thread III, that awkward third title.
Bear in mind it's really some form of telepathy that allows him to " cloud the minds of men", which I think is quite a plausible ( !?... in context ! ) ability for someone to have in the 40k setting.
Like a lesser version of "the glamour" that the Emperor projects one supposes.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
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2012/05/25 13:04:38
Subject: Black Library News & Rumours Thread III, that awkward third title.
Compel wrote:I did thoroughly enjoy Deliverance Lost for the first 3/4's, it's just the last quarter falls down badly. It mostly felt rushed and quite anticlimatic at that point.
These are pretty much my thoughts on the matter.
Spoiler:
I would've much rather he cut the [pretty rubbish IMHO] death race/maze scene getting the Primarch stuff and went into more detail with the ending.
Making his first name Corvus and making him actually invisible annoyed me too.
He's always been called Corvus though, hasn't he? At least it's not as bad as his final words...
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Giving him a built-in "The One Ring" was indeed a bit much though. I could go with the idea that he's simply difficult to see when he doesn't wish to be seen - passive psychic camoflage works just fine for me - but I think Gav Thorpe went a little too far with it
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2012/05/25 13:04:48
Subject: Black Library News & Rumours Thread III, that awkward third title.
Bear in mind it's really some form of telepathy that allows him to " cloud the minds of men", which I think is quite a plausible ( !?... in context ! ) ability for someone to have in the 40k setting.
Like a lesser version of "the glamour" that the Emperor projects one supposes.
^ This. Never took it as literal.
I am another +1 for DL, I think it's actually had bad press and isn't as flawed as some would like to paint it.
I actually found ATSKNF more anti-climatic, but that probably speaks more to my expectaions than to the quality of the book.
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I can understand it as a nod to some other stuff, but previously it was mentioned as a possibility and we all figured that he was actually just really stealthy, rather than invisible.
I dunno, invisible seems a bit too much to me, even for a Primarch.
I'd rather it was something a lot more subtle to be honest, like blending into the darkness or somesuch IMHO.
Spoiler:
I've no problem with it myself - it is clearly some sort of psychic power... dare I say, the ability to cloud men's minds? A better explanation for this power than actual invisibility, I think!
2012/05/25 13:17:16
Subject: Re:Black Library News & Rumours Thread III, that awkward third title.
Interesting. With retrospect, I suppose the last quarter is definitely of a rushed nature although given the pace I was blitzing through the book I did not notice...
Spoiler:
Regarding Corvus, I took his 'power' more of an ability to simply blend extremely well into the darkness and shadows rather than an overt 'invisibility' majicks. It would gel well with the notion of the Raven Guard, of stealth and ambush. The scene where Corvus is trapped beneath the prison cell as a young child seems plausible; a dusty, dirty pale child would probably blend very well into the rockface. The same for the attack on the Perfect Fortress whereby he destroys a squad of Emperor's Children without so much as a glimpse of shadow and wisp - rather than invisibility, Corvus is able to blend without error into the darkness and shadows - possibly capitalizing upon some bonus of being a primarch and, of course, of his own individual primarch genetic structure.
I was very taken aback from Agapito. From the get-go of suspicion, I was sure he was an Alpha Legionairre. Absolutely loved the twisting end, no matter how rushed it may now seem.
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Know No Fear; I ploughed through the first one hundred pages this morning. The writing style has grown on me. It fits very well, actually, with the catastrophe in the orbital docks and I assume with the carnage that is about to be unleashed upon Calth. Damnit Ultramarines, why are you all so pragmatic and unflinching in the face of obvious hints. Never trust the Word-Bearers! Guilliman and Lorgar's brief discussion before the events were set in motion was rather satisfying. I have always understood Lorgar to be a whiny bitch but it all came to sense after his exchange with Guilliman. Of course; you would be an untrusting, touchy, marginalised paranoid bastard if your Father and Brother's scorned, admonished and humiliated you for all the galaxy to see. Looking forward to reading more when I get home from work... I find something very satisfying in the reading of the Dark Apostles and Lorgar's legion. The small allusions, the dark whispers and secret pacts with the Primordial Annihilator - it all comes together very nice and gives the Word Bearers some depth that I have not really found in any of the other traitor legions so far in the HH series.
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2012/05/25 13:30:38
Subject: Re:Black Library News & Rumours Thread III, that awkward third title.
I can understand it as a nod to some other stuff, but previously it was mentioned as a possibility and we all figured that he was actually just really stealthy, rather than invisible.
I dunno, invisible seems a bit too much to me, even for a Primarch.
I'd rather it was something a lot more subtle to be honest, like blending into the darkness or somesuch IMHO.
Spoiler:
I've no problem with it myself - it is clearly some sort of psychic power... dare I say, the ability to cloud men's minds? A better explanation for this power than actual invisibility, I think!
I think if you listen to the Raven Guard audio book (the first one, sorry I forget the name) that is pretty much the terminology they use.
Spoiler:
Not so much the pervert's best friend in the form of a Harry Potter-esque cloak of invisibility, just simply that people don't 'look' exactly at him.
I think I'd like it a more if it was a psychic power-type thing, simply the ability to blend into shadows or whatnot, like the part when he's a kid and he doesn't really look at him, which is what I originally thought it was...
... But the final scenes with the Emperor's Children made me think he was genuinely invisible, his own legionnaire being unable to see him and Corax coming out of no-where and 'getting' the Emperors Children? Been a while since I read it though, to be fair.
"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of." - Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now." - Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
2012/05/25 13:44:01
Subject: Re:Black Library News & Rumours Thread III, that awkward third title.
It is a psychic power, that's why it doesn't work against scanners, machines etc etc which is touched upon in Deliverance Lost IIRC.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
2012/05/25 13:48:42
Subject: Re:Black Library News & Rumours Thread III, that awkward third title.
It is a psychic power, that's why it doesn't work against scanners, machines etc etc which is touched upon in Deliverance Lost IIRC.
Spoiler:
Is this something unique to Corax or do the other Primach's show any sense of psychic potential? I did stop to wonder during the vault//labrynth scene, Corax seemed quite eager to allow the ex-librarian of his guard to pop open the ol' mind powers again.
2012/05/25 13:56:28
Subject: Re:Black Library News & Rumours Thread III, that awkward third title.
I hope you're right red', I'll have to read it again soon and be on the look out for the reaction of scanners etc. that'd make it a lot better for me.
Eirikr:
Spoiler:
A lot of Primarchs show psychic potential of some sort or another (understandably, considering the Big E); Curze has foresight, Russ might be able to disrupt psychic powers/ability somewhat, Corax might have this (hopefully) and some other shizzle
"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of." - Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now." - Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
2012/05/25 14:04:26
Subject: Re:Black Library News & Rumours Thread III, that awkward third title.
A lot of Primarchs show psychic potential of some sort or another (understandably, considering the Big E); Curze has foresight, Russ might be able to disrupt psychic powers/ability somewhat, Corax might have this (hopefully) and some other shizzle
Cheers!
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Are these discussed more in any of the HH novels?
I've currently read Horus Rising, False Gods, Galaxy in Flames, Flight of the Eisenstein, Fulgrim and Deliverance Lost. Actually, I am not sure why I pitched that question - it's pretty silly, must be the heat. I knew that Curze had foresight, something of a curse upon his part. I assume Russ' comes through the twin SW/TS novels? And of course there is Magnus. Damnit, sorry, that was a stupid question on my part.
I really cannot remember any real, overt psychic action on the part of any of the primarchs whom appear in the above novels that I have read - although it has been sometime since I did last read them.
2012/05/25 15:33:53
Subject: Re:Black Library News & Rumours Thread III, that awkward third title.
Years ago when the Primarchs were first mentioned, the blurb said something about some of them having mutations, such as 'flight and invisibility' IIRC.
Now obviously Sanguinius was the one with flight (he had wings) but there was conjecture for years as to which Primarch had invisibility, and the common conception was that one of the 'Lost Primarchs' had it.
That is, until I believe, Raven's Flight, which I think was the first mention of that as Corax's power. Not true 'invisibility' in the 'Kevin Bacon in Hollow Man' sense, but a form of invisibility nonetheless. Personally I think it works pretty well knowing what we did about the Primarchs - with perhaps the exception of Night Haunter (who already had his divining ability) I think it suits Corax and the Raven Guard quite well.
At least that's my take on it anyway, might well have got a few details wrong!
"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of." - Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now." - Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
2012/05/25 17:39:55
Subject: Re:Black Library News & Rumours Thread III, that awkward third title.
.. Nothing like reading about Marines wading their way through hundreds of opponents, then getting their bottoms handed to them with a few autogun/lasgun hits!
Certainly, if the marines of the Great Crusade had performed in a similar way to my Pre-Heresy army, they would never have got out of the solar system!
Was going to pick up the Emperor's Gift but saw that it was a hardback at the moment, so think I will probably wait 6 months or so for the softback to arrive..
It is a psychic power, that's why it doesn't work against scanners, machines etc etc which is touched upon in Deliverance Lost IIRC.
Spoiler:
Is this something unique to Corax or do the other Primach's show any sense of psychic potential? I did stop to wonder during the vault//labrynth scene, Corax seemed quite eager to allow the ex-librarian of his guard to pop open the ol' mind powers again.
Wait, Corax has a librarian? I thought he was on the anti-librarian side of the whole Magnus/Nikea thing?
2012/05/27 06:03:03
Subject: Re:Black Library News & Rumours Thread III, that awkward third title.
It is a psychic power, that's why it doesn't work against scanners, machines etc etc which is touched upon in Deliverance Lost IIRC.
Spoiler:
Is this something unique to Corax or do the other Primach's show any sense of psychic potential? I did stop to wonder during the vault//labrynth scene, Corax seemed quite eager to allow the ex-librarian of his guard to pop open the ol' mind powers again.
Wait, Corax has a librarian? I thought he was on the anti-librarian side of the whole Magnus/Nikea thing?
Not really, Alot of the Loyalist legions seemed to be alright with the Librarian program.
On another note, Am I the only one excited for Angel of Fire? I'm just concerned that I don't recognize the author... he any good?
EDIT: Read the extract and that was mildly reassuring. Was pretty good, certainly not garbage.
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2012/05/27 06:55:01
Subject: Re:Black Library News & Rumours Thread III, that awkward third title.
DA's Forever wrote:On another note, Am I the only one excited for Angel of Fire? I'm just concerned that I don't recognize the author... he any good?
King is one of the original BL authors from the early BL days. He created Gotrek and Felix, the Ragnar saga and made some great contributions to the fluff, including why the Deathwing wears white armour. Him coming back to BL after many years is a pretty big thing.
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2012/05/27 08:41:44
Subject: Black Library News & Rumours Thread III, that awkward third title.
Agreed, the Deathwing story is one of the earliest stories I read and got me hooked on 40k. Though the background might still get fethed into oblivion by whoever writes the new DA codex.
I do miss the old anthology novels, they were about anything, not just space marines.
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2012/05/27 16:59:10
Subject: Black Library News & Rumours Thread III, that awkward third title.
"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of." - Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now." - Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
2012/05/27 22:18:33
Subject: Re:Black Library News & Rumours Thread III, that awkward third title.
DA's Forever wrote:On another note, Am I the only one excited for Angel of Fire? I'm just concerned that I don't recognize the author... he any good?
King is one of the original BL authors from the early BL days. He created Gotrek and Felix, the Ragnar saga and made some great contributions to the fluff, including why the Deathwing wears white armour. Him coming back to BL after many years is a pretty big thing.
Wow I feel dumb for not knowing this... I must repent before the God-Emperor.
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2012/05/27 23:31:46
Subject: Black Library News & Rumours Thread III, that awkward third title.
Bill King is the sole reason that I got in to reading. I'm not even kidding - if it weren't for his Gotrek and Felix novels I'd likely never have picked up more than a Spider Man comic in my life, I'd highly recommend them to anyone (buy the omnibus's and save money).
Really looking forward to the GD exclusives again this year, last years little hardback was fantastic, and I can't wait to see what ADB pulls out for this
I just hope there isn't a repeat of people buying multiple copies again, so they sold out before I got there
Loved it. Ultramarines bore me most of the time, I was gripped throughout most of this novel.
Spoiler:
Again, with most HH books, the ending seemed pretty abrupt and rushed. I struggled to comprehend; Veltanus, the Marines and others whom fled into the caverns beneath Calth, were they picked up at the end after many long years? I was reading it at 3am this morning so may have misunderstood it.
Now; can anyone recommend more HH to read? Read the first five, including Deliverance Lost.
2012/05/28 09:50:40
Subject: Re:Black Library News & Rumours Thread III, that awkward third title.
Loved it. Ultramarines bore me most of the time, I was gripped throughout most of this novel.
Spoiler:
Again, with most HH books, the ending seemed pretty abrupt and rushed. I struggled to comprehend; Veltanus, the Marines and others whom fled into the caverns beneath Calth, were they picked up at the end after many long years? I was reading it at 3am this morning so may have misunderstood it.
Now; can anyone recommend more HH to read? Read the first five, including Deliverance Lost.
Spoiler:
Yeah, apparently there will be a 2nd novel going over the Caverns war.
I agree that the ending seemed a bit rushed. I loved KNF, but it seemed too short a novel (it's thinner than most HH books) to cover such an event and whilst Dan did a great job making the read actually feel the pace and rapidly unfolding events, it also left me underwhelmed in a way.
Regarding your 2nd question, all the HH novels are worth picking up really, except Battle for the Abyss which is widely rated as the worst in the series. I wasn't a fan of Nemesis either and it's not really key to the overall story of the HH, so you're probably not missing out if you were to not read it. The Dark Angel stories are often seen as hit-and-miss also, whereas I thought the 1st was good-to-OK and the 2nd a bit 'meh'. The Outcast Dead was also a poor novel IMHO and like with Nemesis, I don't think you'd miss out on too much if you didn't read it, although there's some good insight into the Big E.
As for the best books, outside of the 1st five... Legion is brilliant, as is The First Heretic and A Thousand Sons/Prospero Burns. I loved Mechanicum and its one of my favourite in the series, but some aren't fans apparently.
Finally, for the Short-story collections, understandably they're a bit hit and miss (internally), but I'd say they're both worth picking up.
"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of." - Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now." - Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
2012/05/28 10:19:48
Subject: Re:Black Library News & Rumours Thread III, that awkward third title.
I would say each of the series has something for someone. There are not really 'bad' novels, in terms of the way they are written, beyond writing style and subject which people will usually either enjoy or not.
Even the books which have been labelled as 'bad' I think offer something. 'Battle for the Abyss', if you can look past the almost comical ineptitude and comic-book badguy style of the Word Bearers, has some really good characters in it and helps to show how the cracks were appearing between the different legions even before the Heresy had begun. Yes, they are on the 'same side', but in terms of aspect they are all really quite different. I thought there was a nice undercurrent to the book which has often been overlooked because of, as I say, how the Word Bearers come across.
Similarly with the Dark Angels books, the main criticisms levelled at them are that they do nothing to move the series forward. Well, we knew from the outset (and indeed the authors took pains to explain this) that the book series would flesh out the events surrounding the Heresy as much as possible, and that a hell of a lot took place both before and during the Heresy that needs explaining. The two Dark Angels books offer a unique insight amongst the series of how a Legion homeworld, re-united with the Imperium, changed during that time and also shows a Primarch before he was leading his Legion. I think Dark Angel fans are lucky in that regard, in that they now have a fully explained background. Without giving too much away, the second book also ends on a real cliff hanger, and I hope that story arc will eventually get finished with a 3rd and final book.
As for Nemesis, well again it offered something of a bresh of fresh air as having non-Astartes as the story's main protagonists. The Outcast Dead was a good idea, but suffered from an absolute stinker of a continuity error, and a couple of scenes in particular which stretched the whole 'suspension of disbelief' thing to its limits.
I agree with Just Dave though regarding Mechanicum, it was a great book. If you want something that explains the difference between the 30k and the 40k mindset, and specifically regarding the latter's view of technology, it is a must read. Great story, well written and again nice for anyone who is getting a little tired of brother so-and-so grimly clutching his bolt pistol and eviscerating the snarling word bearer.
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The Dark Angel novels, especially the first one, was a whatever-you-pray-to-sent book that goes into quite some length to show where it will all go wrong. The second novel more or less the same, it clearly shows where it will all go wrong and why.
Mechanicum is the best non-Astartes book of the bunch, so good that the ending gave me nightmares.
The problem with Abnett is, he sucks at writing endings, rushing through them after a great trip getting there and the problem with McNeill is, he messes up chronology lots. He's also guilty of some heavy handed brow beating by inserting recent / current events into his novels, with the treatment of the Tau prisoners being compared to the Abu Graib (sp?) debacle and the situation of the Killing Ground being an obvious nod with large comical sign pointing towards post-war Iraq.
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2012/05/28 16:32:35
Subject: Re:Black Library News & Rumours Thread III, that awkward third title.
Just finished reading today's Black Library blog entry, written by Dan Abnett. He certainly seems gleeful about the next year's worth of BL releases, and I'd like to believe that it's genuine glee, rather than Jervis Johnson's "Insert X amount of glee over this month's most expensive releases". In addition to mentioning that Pariah is nearly finished (well, it should be, since it's being billed as available on Games Day), and he's also mentioned the title of his next Horus Heresy book, "The Unremembered Empire". I look forward to finding out more about this in future!
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2012/05/28 22:17:37
Subject: Re:Black Library News & Rumours Thread III, that awkward third title.
About 2/3's of the way through The Emperors Gift so far. So far, so f'ing good. A brilliant novel so far; moments where I feel genuine emotion for the characters (quite rare for me and novels I find), moments where I laugh, moments when I can't put the book down and ultimately moments where I find things really freakin' cool (hello Space Wolves). Great writing and a portrayal of the 40K universe so far.
If it keeps this up I may well be agreeing with Red' when he says it's one of the best BL books to date.
Seriously, so far I would definitely recommend it. We'll see when I finish it whether I think it's quite that good, but I think it will be.
And this is coming from someone who has no feelings for the Grey Knights whatsoever.
Pacific wrote:As for Nemesis, well again it offered something of a bresh of fresh air as having non-Astartes as the story's main protagonists. The Outcast Dead was a good idea, but suffered from an absolute stinker of a continuity error, and a couple of scenes in particular which stretched the whole 'suspension of disbelief' thing to its limits.
I found both Nemesis and The Outcast Dead a bit weak, predictable and with clichéd characters personally. Some good action and insights in both, but I found they were 'meh' novels ultimately. Liked 'Spear's' (?) part of Nemesis though.
I liked the insight into Astropaths and some other aspects of the The Outcast Dead, but I found the action predictable, characters predictable and general course of the novel predictable, personally (minus the Big E's sections, as ever). I also agree with the 'suspension of disbelief' bits being over-stretched or frequent as well. I also found the book raised far more questions than it answered, without the usual hints or intrigue within the HH novels...
As you can guess, I thought it was a weak book overall, although there were some redeeming parts. Strange really, because I find Graham McNiell usually produces really solid work. Did like Kai Zulane though.
"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of." - Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now." - Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
2012/05/30 10:59:40
Subject: Re:Black Library News & Rumours Thread III, that awkward third title.
Just Dave wrote:About 2/3's of the way through The Emperors Gift so far. So far, so f'ing good. A brilliant novel so far; moments where I feel genuine emotion for the characters (quite rare for me and novels I find), moments where I laugh, moments when I can't put the book down and ultimately moments where I find things really freakin' cool (hello Space Wolves). Great writing and a portrayal of the 40K universe so far.
If it keeps this up I may well be agreeing with Red' when he says it's one of the best BL books to date.
Seriously, so far I would definitely recommend it. We'll see when I finish it whether I think it's quite that good, but I think it will be.
And this is coming from someone who has no feelings for the Grey Knights whatsoever.
I think it's great, gonna reread it soon as I get it back.
.. have...
have you got to.....
Spoiler:
few words so as not to spoil it too much....
have you got to the "shower scene" yet ?
"Bizarrely, the Khatan had declared, upon seeing me wash myself, that my ascension to knighthood was 'a great shame'. Captain Castor had explained the meaning to me several months later, though I still didn't see the humour in it."
T'would seem then that the castration of Astartes -- at least for some of the GKs -- isonly chemical and psychological then ?
that said..
Name retracted for major spoilage stepped back, releasing her cheek. ‘No finer sight on any world than a frostborn maiden. Especially a beauty with black hair. Rare back when I had eyes to stare, and surely even rarer now.’
I stared at the towering figure, wondering if there was some difference in the process by which gene-seed was once cultivated compared to the method now. He seemed to be able to determine that Annika was attractive. I wasn’t sure I could make that perception myself...
and, a reminder about a certain vote that ends soon...
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
The same for the attack on the Perfect Fortress whereby he destroys a squad of Emperor's Children without so much as a glimpse of shadow and wisp - rather than invisibility, Corvus is able to blend without error into the darkness and shadows - possibly capitalizing upon some bonus of being a primarch and, of course, of his own individual primarch genetic structure.
) into The Emperor's Gift and so far, so good. 
