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Canada

Sarouan wrote:I really don't have time for another time and money sinking wargame at the moment...I'm already taken in way too many projects already. Wish them good luck, though.

This for me too I'm afraid. I actually need to look at selling my stuff and getting out of a game, but they're all fun; even the ones I haven't played for months.

The scale is a mistake IMO, it will stop people buying the miniatures for other games. Like adding Dweghom to my KoW dwarf army.
Sales are sales and those mini's look good.

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on the forum. Obviously

I'm still waiting for other factions, honestly.
I do like the look of the hundred kingdoms, but I want to see what the City States, the (theorized) Dominion Remnant, the tribes, weavers and the hinted at eastern faction has to offer.

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I have about 20 promo models and I love the scale increase. It is clearly making them faster to paint well. The large knights draw attention from all the way across The store. It made them easier to hold on to the pieces to assemble. I will own all of every army. The rules are fantastic. There are only 2 in the entire book I would change and they are not deal breakers.

I forgot they stand out more on the display case.

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Courageous Questing Knight





Central Cimmeria

I think the larger scale is a good choice in this case. It is what allows them to give away the rules for free because it makes them harder to proxy. It will make them much faster to paint while keeping good details.

The market is flooded with "use whatever minis you want!" type games, and GW designs for AOS are so outlandish there isn't much chance for proxying anything there anyways.

I've just accepted that I have different but somewhat related scales in my collection that lie on a continuum:
Historical(Perry/Warlord/GB)-> Frostgrave/Fireforge -> GW pre AOS/Reaper/Other fantasy -> GW AOS/Other 32 mm -> Conquest

Miniatures from any category can be used with miniatures from a category up or down one from their own (imo), but aren't really compatible further away than that.

I'm okay with it.
   
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Grumpy Longbeard





Canada

 Gallahad wrote:

The market is flooded with "use whatever minis you want!" type games...

My point is that this company will not sell anything to people playing those games.


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Central Cimmeria

 DarkBlack wrote:
 Gallahad wrote:

The market is flooded with "use whatever minis you want!" type games...

My point is that this company will not sell anything to people playing those games.


I agree with you, but I don't think the volume of people who buy new miniatures for those types of games is very large. The main draw of those games is to use miniatures you already own to play the game.

It is true they will lose some sales to people who actively search for new miniatures to use in some game they are already playing, but I think those losses will be ultimately small.

Frostgrave seems to be doing fine with their "same height as historical miniatures but same proportions (head size, hand size, limb thickness, etc.) as much taller miniatures.
   
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 DarkBlack wrote:
 Gallahad wrote:

The market is flooded with "use whatever minis you want!" type games...

My point is that this company will not sell anything to people playing those games.


That is a good thing not a bad thing. Those are the most negative people in all of the gaming community. The ones who want to many things for to cheap and cause the game to fail. We a building a community. The worst forum post in all games invariably end with the person complaining about things not being used for multiple games. Please move on with your I want to leach a little from every company. But not support any of them enough to stay in business and then the Game vanishes..
   
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Canada

Drakoniss wrote:
 DarkBlack wrote:
 Gallahad wrote:

The market is flooded with "use whatever minis you want!" type games...

My point is that this company will not sell anything to people playing those games.


That is a good thing not a bad thing. Those are the most negative people in all of the gaming community. The ones who want to many things for to cheap and cause the game to fail. We a building a community. The worst forum post in all games invariably end with the person complaining about things not being used for multiple games. Please move on with your I want to leach a little from every company. But not support any of them enough to stay in business and then the Game vanishes..

That's a sweeping and massive generalisation. Also not what I said. The models look cool, but the scale dissuades me from getting any. It's in no way about bargains or leaching.
The game gets played or it does not, that's down to all sorts of things. People buying from a company means money and their products out in the world, getting people to ask where it's from.


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Every since forums came into existence I have never understood the people whining about scale for minis that are already being made. You can't change there scale so your are just forcing others to listen to you whine. If you don't like it why even post? Just move on. The generalization is 80% of the negative posts I read for a game and on Facebook end with a complaint about scale/proprietary components.
   
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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I'm still waiting for other factions, honestly.
I do like the look of the hundred kingdoms, but I want to see what the City States, the (theorized) Dominion Remnant, the tribes, weavers and the hinted at eastern faction has to offer.

What type of Eastern are we talking about here? The Middle East, Indian, Japanese, or China? There is a big swath of cultures that are considered to be Eastern.
   
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on the forum. Obviously

 Nova_Impero wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I'm still waiting for other factions, honestly.
I do like the look of the hundred kingdoms, but I want to see what the City States, the (theorized) Dominion Remnant, the tribes, weavers and the hinted at eastern faction has to offer.

What type of Eastern are we talking about here? The Middle East, Indian, Japanese, or China? There is a big swath of cultures that are considered to be Eastern.


Apparently Chinese empire inspired. Might be a bit of Japanese as well, but its probably going to be based more on the Chinese.
Maybe we'll see Arabian expies and Indian expies as well, idk.

I do hope so though.

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What I have
~4100
~1660
: LM

Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!

A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble

 
   
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Central Cimmeria

 DarkBlack wrote:
Drakoniss wrote:
 DarkBlack wrote:
 Gallahad wrote:

The market is flooded with "use whatever minis you want!" type games...

My point is that this company will not sell anything to people playing those games.


That is a good thing not a bad thing. Those are the most negative people in all of the gaming community. The ones who want to many things for to cheap and cause the game to fail. We a building a community. The worst forum post in all games invariably end with the person complaining about things not being used for multiple games. Please move on with your I want to leach a little from every company. But not support any of them enough to stay in business and then the Game vanishes..

That's a sweeping and massive generalisation. Also not what I said. The models look cool, but the scale dissuades me from getting any. It's in no way about bargains or leaching.
The game gets played or it does not, that's down to all sorts of things. People buying from a company means money and their products out in the world, getting people to ask where it's from.


Yeah, I think you are totally in bounds to say that the scale doesn't work for you. I've said similar things for many different kits and manufacturers where I was hoping to use their figures alongside my fantasy figures, but they went with some weird doesn't work for anything scale (like Frostgrave and Oathmark). In those cases I felt they were making kits intended to be used in a wide variety of fantasy games, and I wasn't planning on playing their proprietary game, so I felt the same as you.

I'm this case, Conquest has a strong enough setting and I'm planning to play the game, so it doesn't bother me as much.
   
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Scaling up to 35mm seems to be a general trend in wargaming in any case. Star Wars Legion has had great success with that, despite many complaining that they couldn't use their Imperial Assault models for it (or vice versa), and 40k has been creeping up since even before the Primaris.

For the most part, I find scale differences to be negligible in the 28mm to 35mm range. I use models from West Wind and Warlord for Konflikt '47 and, especially given whole units come from particular manufacturers, I haven't noticed any jarring division. At the 15mm scale, I generally mix 15mm and 18mm models for greater variety (especially for officers and flag bearers). Months after having painted and based units I often can't remember which is the odd model out.

Of course, not wanting to buy the models because you can't use them in another game is absolutely fair enough, but it's clear that Conquest is aimed at establishing itself as its own game, not yet another model manufacturer for 9th Age stand-ins. That, in my opinion, will automatically give it more survivability.

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Nottingham

Actually the main driving factor behind the scale choice was the minis themselves.

The 1st batch of miniatures were produced in that 25-28mm psudo-scale but due to the designs, many components were soooo weak and fiddly that they were a nightmare to build and handle without snapping bits off.

There were 2 options. Beef things up or increase the scale.

The former option was thoroughly disregarded simply because the minds that created this world and visualized it did not want to compromise the way it was brought to life, physically. They didn't want over thick spear shafts, swords as thick as an arm, large heads and hands. They wanted their vision to look the same on canvass as it looks in plastic.

So bigger models (and sooo many different scales were tested) with in-scale physiology (note the massive warhorse! ) was in. Compromising the models was out!

Simple.

They care about their world a lot and making their minis reflect that above all else.

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That's very interesting. Thanks for sharing those insights. As a fan of true scale of heroic scale, I definitely approve.
   
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I love the scale. They paint up really nicely much easier to do the faces.

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Scotland

I'm interested after playing it last year at GamesExpo however since then there seems to be a lack of UK based information/preorders and a focus on US and EU pricing etc. Totally understandable, far bigger markets. It's a struggle to drum up excitement though.
   
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Central Cimmeria

Zond wrote:
I'm interested after playing it last year at GamesExpo however since then there seems to be a lack of UK based information/preorders and a focus on US and EU pricing etc. Totally understandable, far bigger markets. It's a struggle to drum up excitement though.


I think Davidian said they would be back at UK GamesExpo this year with copies to sell. I think you guys might be the first to get your hands on the game. I'm sure it won't be hard to get copies after launch.
   
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Nottingham

Indeed I did. And they will also have regement box sets available for purchase ahead of schedule!

If.... I don't buy them all first! XD XD XD

gak! That reminds me... I've got to get painting! Its coming round quick :O


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So is this not getting a UK release because I still cannot find anywhere to pre-order it?

Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done) - Irbis 
   
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Nottingham

100% is. UK distribution deals have not been announced yet. US and Canada were only announced last Friday. Will be announced soon though.

I hope you can appreciate that the impending Brexit has put it at the bottom of the list. uncertain exchange rates to come that are making it unwise to fix UK prices too early



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https://www.blackfire.eu/list.php?subcategory=402

Distributor? They have had this up for like a month.
   
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Nottingham

They have indeed. The central European distribution deals were the first to be completed, being on their doorsteps and all.

Don't forget that online sales will be available on their website from day of release too. Ofc that doesn't help if you want to pre-order

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Still awaiting a good covering in snow and abot 100 or so Nords btu it will be joining them in Birmingham for the UK Games Expo



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Can't wait to see it!
   
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Central Cimmeria

Aww man, that looks great. A good water board is hard to beat.
   
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Nottingham

In the UK now. So Beasts of War!

applying 2 thin coats to Constantinos XD


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So a question for those that are buying in at launch:

There is a local convention (Tacticon in Denver, CO) August 29- September 1. I was thinking of running a Conquest event or two. Is that to early to have a ‘beginner’s tournament? I could just run demo games, but I’d like to try and do an actual event.

Thoughts?

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 godswildcard wrote:
So a question for those that are buying in at launch:

There is a local convention (Tacticon in Denver, CO) August 29- September 1. I was thinking of running a Conquest event or two. Is that to early to have a ‘beginner’s tournament? I could just run demo games, but I’d like to try and do an actual event.

Thoughts?


That seems like plenty of time to get familiar with the rules.
   
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 godswildcard wrote:
So a question for those that are buying in at launch:

There is a local convention (Tacticon in Denver, CO) August 29- September 1. I was thinking of running a Conquest event or two. Is that to early to have a ‘beginner’s tournament? I could just run demo games, but I’d like to try and do an actual event.

Thoughts?



You should have the organized play book by then to help with ideas.
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