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all of the lore is to be available for free on www.para-bellum.com

The first installments of the core box set lore are here
and should be taken in order

Part 1: Nepenthe - The Price
https://www.para-bellum.com/what-is-new/nepenthe-the-price/

Part 2: Deliberations
https://www.para-bellum.com/what-is-new/nepenthe-deliberations/

Part 3: The Last Argument
https://www.para-bellum.com/what-is-new/nepenthe-the-last-arguement/

Prologue: Things forgotten



for our Dweghom kinsmen, a short story: Ardent
https://www.para-bellum.com/what-is-new/ardent/

with Kon, Stav and Leo on BoW:









AND the deepdive which is also a preview of the real army builder

That deal through MM is too good. I decided not to wait for a more local supplier and preordered the starter. It's a more than fair bet that the game will be more expensive here even with the cost of shipping from MM.

Sadly they bumped the price up 12 dollars.

TWELVE WHOLE DOLLARS.

I'm just sore I missed the super duper cheap phase of the preorder. Ah well. I'll be stuck in Japan when it launches anyways. I guess I shouldn't be in that big of rush.

Yeah, it's clear to me they won't keep that price discount on long term. Unless they get funded by a billionaire straight up.

Otherwise, it has fair appeal. But it's another wargame, clearly asking for lots of miniatures again and well the scale means it will take lots of space on the shelves too. Not even speaking about spreading the word, building a new gamer community for this game and following on long term while buying all proprietary game material that is needed.

Those models are beautiful. Sorry if I missed it, but I seem to recall somewhere that they're considerably bigger than 30mm. Are there any scale photos out there of them next to Reaper, Mantic, old GW, or other 28-30mm figures?

I think I recall that they're 35mm, so that would be about comparable to Star Wars Legion models. But that could be wrong or old information.

I'll take some pictures next to my son's warhammer later for you all (I don't play it myself) but the infantry are on 25mm bases if that helps for the moment.


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 Sarouan wrote:
Yeah, it's clear to me they won't keep that price discount on long term. Unless they get funded by a billionaire straight up.

Otherwise, it has fair appeal. But it's another wargame, clearly asking for lots of miniatures again and well the scale means it will take lots of space on the shelves too. Not even speaking about spreading the word, building a new gamer community for this game and following on long term while buying all proprietary game material that is needed.

There is no proprietary gaming material to buy.

It's all free. Rules, army builder, lore, art, all on the website free. A you need to buy is the models!

Man, with release incoming, I am so eager for more Battle Reports. I've watched the BoW ones, but as usual they're only modestly satisfying as those guys are so very oddly bad at gaming. :-p

 Davidian wrote:


There is no proprietary gaming material to buy.

It's all free. Rules, army builder, lore, art, all on the website free. A you need to buy is the models!

And their cards. And their unit bases. Which come of course with their miniatures. Saying everything you need to play is free and you just have to use your miniatures is a lie.

They're proprietary gaming material, made so that if you buy their miniatures, you have everything you need to play them right out of the box - if you buy miniatures from other sellers, you'll need to get the cards and unit bases separately in some way. Which will be more difficult, of course.

This game is indeed well thought, from a marketing point of view.

But the cards and stands come with the models

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Oh I see what you mean. Well, they have to feed the horses somehow XD

Heh!

I don't think it is too unreasonable for them to expect you to buy their miniatures in order to play their game?

But even if you don't want to buy their miniatures, to have you buy some supplementary materials in order to play their game?

 Alpharius wrote:
Heh!

I don't think it is too unreasonable for them to expect you to buy their miniatures in order to play their game?

But even if you don't want to buy their miniatures, to have you buy some supplementary materials in order to play their game?

I never said it was unreasonnable, just pointing out how good they thought about it. And it's not innocent, to me - they're clearly trying to get their place on the market first, with a stunningly good starter for the price asked. And it is on purpose, I believe. Once they are established, have their loyal community and got their web of retailers/clubs backing them, then they can come with other prices and shenanigans. But we aren't there yet, far from it ! Let"s see first if they will manage to succeed and prosper.

Rules being free is, to me, an obvious move to seduce the new players. Let them see how the game is good, show them a solid universe with awesome artwork and interesting background and of course sell great miniatures. Preparation is the key for first impression, and so far ? Yes, I say they really did their homework here. It's a very different feeling from the swarm of Kickstarter projects, an "old school" feeling, and I love it.

But alas, I really don't have time for another time and money sinking wargame at the moment...I'm already taken in way too many projects already. Wish them good luck, though.

I feel your pain there - I don't know that I *want* to start another game system, especially with so many of my favorites being either no longer supported or not easy to find opponents for.

Outside of GW's efforts, it isn't always easy to find a game for...other games.

But this one looks good - both in terms of miniatures and the game itself.

And that starter box set is priced to move!

It's okay son, show us on the doll where GW touched you! XD

the team behind this know that the business practice you've described is not long term sustainable. They've grown up playing the same games as us, reading the same books, watchingvthr same films and being disappointed by the same bs business practices of certain market leaders. They know they can do better than that! It must just be my word on it but watch this space.

You know what's really sad ? If this project was made twenty years ago, I'm sure it wouldn't be the same. But now the wargame market is so crowded...it's becoming more and more difficult for new games with interesting universes and game systems to have their spot under the sun. And yeah, I'm speaking for myself, but frankly I believe we will eventually have a problem. New games constantly keep talking to the same kind of people, and the most important ressource is the same for everyone, even those with money : time. Where can we find the time to play them all ? To collect them all ? To paint them all ? To build a community, find players to play, and so on. It's really becoming an issue, I feel. That's what I'm afraid with this project that I really like, but know I will not be able to support...that eventually, I will not be alone in the same situation.

You...might be?

Or close to it?

At these prices and quality?

They'll do OK.

BUT, having said that, you do bring up valid concerns.

I'm hoping for the best here though.

Looking forward to those scale shots Davidian. I kept on hoping that some sprue shots from their US tour would pop up online but so far I haven't seen anything...

 Gallahad wrote:
Looking forward to those scale shots Davidian. I kept on hoping that some sprue shots from their US tour would pop up online but so far I haven't seen anything...

Check out the fb group. There are a couple next to Warhammer models https://www.facebook.com/groups/500864107097487/

Hbbyaddict wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
Looking forward to those scale shots Davidian. I kept on hoping that some sprue shots from their US tour would pop up online but so far I haven't seen anything...

Check out the fb group. There are a couple next to Warhammer models https://www.facebook.com/groups/500864107097487/

Looks like I have to sign up for something to see the photos. Any chance you can post them over here?

Hope this helps! From left to right:

Primaris Sergeant
Conquest Man-at-Arms
Space Marine Tyrannic War Veteran
Death Korps Guardsman

Edit:
Stood the Man-at-Arms on a 32mm GW bass for scale. Sorry it’s not the best picture. I’m sure Davidian could do better!

Left to right. Pheromancer, Clone Archer, GW chamois, Man at arms

https://icv2.com/articles/news/view/42871/para-bellum-wargames-launch-conquest?fbclid=IwAR1zzGfpmnxPkbO2DLmzScW5cm8tDz21-9PEm9vijdUYRPC-BSbVzlVZAJU#.XKuTyDQBQkc.facebook


Nice article here.

I'm loving everything i'm seeing here, but as i've been tapped to demo the game for a few local stores i'm not excited about trying to speed-assemble/paint two full demo armies. One forgets how high model counts can go in rank+flank games. :-p

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I'm loving everything i'm seeing here, but as i've been tapped to demo the game for a few local stores i'm not excited about trying to speed-assemble/paint two full demo armies. One forgets how high model counts can go in rank+flank games. :-p

I am going to demo a 5 stores. I will use my own armies. I have assembled one of most of the starter units, only the knights are not really fast. The knights take patience but they are really nice. Being larger makes things less fiddly.


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A small note to those trying to build a community. Offer to split boxes with anyone if you can. I am splitting boxes with nine people who would not have pre ordered a whole set yet. 5 Humans 4 clones. So basically they are splitting with each other but I am paying upfront and collecting the money just to get the community growing and letting the stores see there is interest. May not work for you but it’s working here.

Model count on this is sooo much lower than most rank and file.

24 is the biggest I would realistically use in a unit atm and that's a horde. Elite infantry, 12 or 16 at the most. Units of 4 cavalry wreck face.

Also, that starter set plus on extra unit really is enough to experience every last word of the rule book. It scales down and up just as elegantly

Thanks for the size comparisons. These guys are really big...yeah, it will be difficult to use other miniatures to play the game, this is not a common scale. For a rank and file wargame, the numbers seem to be lower indeed (don't forget though that demo armies tend to be smaller than those in standard games), but since the miniatures are bigger and apparently quite detailed, that means you can't skip the same on painting details because it will be easier to see even from a distance. So yeah, I think you'll spend more time than usual.

Wondering what the other factions will look like.

 Sarouan wrote:
Thanks for the size comparisons. These guys are really big...yeah, it will be difficult to use other miniatures to play the game, this is not a common scale. For a rank and file wargame, the numbers seem to be lower indeed (don't forget though that demo armies tend to be smaller than those in standard games), but since the miniatures are bigger and apparently quite detailed, that means you can't skip the same on painting details because it will be easier to see even from a distance. So yeah, I think you'll spend more time than usual.

Wondering what the other factions will look like.

During one of the BoW videos a Parabellum rep said the "standard" sized game was roughly 2x the starter box and an extra unit per player. While not OG Fantasy peasant hordes... we're still talking a healthy 150+ models per side... That's fine, mind you as I badly want this game to be a huge success, but still not a quick weekend's worth of assembly/painting either. :-p

 Davidian wrote:
Model count on this is sooo much lower than most rank and file.

24 is the biggest I would realistically use in a unit atm and that's a horde. Elite infantry, 12 or 16 at the most. Units of 4 cavalry wreck face.

Also, that starter set plus on extra unit really is enough to experience every last word of the rule book. It scales down and up just as elegantly

This is okay in my book.

The sizes actually sound similar to what earlier editions of Warhammer Fantasy had.
It was quite common to have units of 20-25 infantry in 6th-7th ed, iirc, instead of the 40+ monster blocks you needed to field in 8th to get the most out of steadfast.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
The sizes actually sound similar to what earlier editions of Warhammer Fantasy had.
It was quite common to have units of 20-25 infantry in 6th-7th ed, iirc, instead of the 40+ monster blocks you needed to field in 8th to get the most out of steadfast.

Dovetailing off of that, I LOVE how this game uses morale/resolve. The slight abstraction works, with every single death in close combat potentially being just as devastating to the unit "psychologically".