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I know they are technically separate monsters, but I liked both the movie and the game. I thought they both had technical missteps, but I felt they set the theme and tone as a Space Marine quite well.

The movie was a train wreck in every way. The Chaplain part was just...eugh.

I mean, it was 40k, so I suppose it an amusing way to spend an hour, but it was pretty bad even given it was a low budget film.

The game was enjoyable. Solid gameplay, didn't break the fluff too badly, pandered to marines a little too much for my admitted bias, but I mostly enjoyed it. Multiplayer player was fun for a bit too.

I didn't play the game. But I have seen the movie.

The dialogue was awful, the level of "for honor/for the emperor/our duty/etc" was bordering on masturbatory. The actual story was a paint-by-numbers "isolated against a horde of enemies" story, and the Chaos marines were a mindless horde enemy that acted (and died) much more like a Green Tide of Orks than Chaos Space Marines. The CG was also quite dated.

 Blacksails wrote:
The movie was a train wreck in every way. The Chaplain part was just...eugh..

I can't think of anything more badass than using a crozius arcanum as a bubblewand to kill traitors with a stream of Scariness Bubbles.

I've tried to forget that image!

Upon seeing it, I was torn between hysterical laughter and stunned silence at such an...artistic take on the Crozius power.

 Vaktathi wrote:
I didn't play the game. But I have seen the movie.

The dialogue was awful, the level of "for honor/for the emperor/our duty/etc" was bordering on masturbatory. The actual story was a paint-by-numbers "isolated against a horde of enemies" story, and the Chaos marines were a mindless horde enemy that acted (and died) much more like a Green Tide of Orks than Chaos Space Marines. The CG was also quite dated.

Agreed. I wished for more, but I also thought it was okay for what was delivered, given GW's track record with letting people use their IP.

The movie was bad. The game was good. Not amazing, but good.

The game's campaign was ridiculous and suffered from Main Character Syndrome. Captain whatever was supposed to Captain of the Ultramarines 4th Company? Well, 4th Company already had a Captain as per established fluff and no effort was made for visual accuracy. 40k has come a long way since 'Ultramarines be Bluu and Goldz!' and THQ took steps backwards in how they represented Marines when it's compared to Fire Warrior.

The story was lackluster and typical, but again, didn't make sense for an Ultramarine. Maybe a Crimson Fist or Dark Angel and it would have been more forgivable, but a Captain of the Ultramarines? I can't suspend my belief that much.

The actual gameplay was generic, boring and I'll admit, not my style of game, whereas multiplayer was a little on the simple side but fun in the same way that the Transformers games were fun. They didn't try anything new or revolutionary but let you pick your colors, if you wanted a sword, axe or hammer and had SOME translation of powerful weapons in the game. Melta being stupidly strong close up and Lascannons having pinpoint accuracy and devestating power. Level design was absolute turd but Exterminatus mode (Horde mode) was good for what it was meant to be. It did not fail to deliver a challenge and many waves of orks. Some people I know had a lot more fun with it than I did, but as a video game, it was not great. It wasn't bad and didn't have any 'I'm never touching this piece of gak' flaws, but I could only call it 'meh'.

I've never seen the movie even though it's on my harddrive somewhere... I just don't think I'm ready to be hurt like that...

Just because he wasn't Cato Sicarus doesn't mean anything. Maybe he was Captain either before or after Cato was.

Lets not forget they're canon tt figures now

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
The game's campaign was ridiculous and suffered from Main Character Syndrome.

Um, that's what all video games in the shooter genre do. I mean it isn't like guys in the SAS just hide behind a rock until the redness fades from their vision when they get shot. The shooter genre of games are built on fun and playability, and that comes with a little bit of invincibility and over the top heroics. Except for Modern Warfare 2, where I think the protagonist had an inner ear problem because he kept falling off of things and having to be rescued.

I thought the game was fun. It was a decent entry in the genre, and a well-executed use of the license.

The movie, on the other hand, was awful. It doesn't even get the "So bad it's funny" title. It's just awful all around. It doesn't even seem to understand the universe it exists in, which is somewhat surprising since Dan Abnett supposedly penned the script. There are a million and one ways you can write a script set in the 40K universe that sidesteps the limitations of budget and technology. It was pretty impressive that Abnett couldn't find even one of them and penned the kind of story that would only get praise for a beginning writer in a fan fiction forum as a "good first effort".

I think people mistakenly often place too much faith in Abnett.

His Gaunts Ghosts books were good, particularly the earlier ones, but I couldn't finish Brothers of the Snake it was so bad, and there was some Derp in some of the Gaunts Ghosts books as well.

I thought the game was wonderful. The movie sucks.

Also, the Ultramarines are forced to suck due to posterboy syndrome. For a mere 25c a month you can donate to a Ultrasmurf in need, and change their status along with their toiletbowl heraldry and return them to romans in space. Pssh, 'sides, Abnett is just trying to be like G.r.r and kill those characters off you like so much.

I really, really feel bad now as I play UM successors and liked them a ton in Know no Fear.

I am failing my liege, I'm going to go put all this salt in my wounds now.

I really don't think the movie's problems were Abnett's fault. I have a feeling he was dragged down by everyone else, writers don't dictate what happens in a movie.

My guess is he wrote up a script that was then gutted by the other makers. "Man, we can't animate that" or "thats going to go way over budget"

Never seen the movie, but I really enjoyed the game. It was a good shooter/hack and slasher and I had fun

I can't believe how bad that movie was. You could have opened with a Drop Pod entering the atmosphere and just had an hour of marines shooting the hell out of their enemies and it would have been better than that movie.

A HUGE portion of the movie is just walking. They walk over here. They walk over there. They walk back over here. If you thought the Lord of the Rings had a lot of walking around, you ain't seen nuttin' yet.

In addition, for a movie largely about walking around, they did a really poor job on that. Massively armored marines strolling across dilapidated, desiccated wooden planking with no worries. Why depict the footing as treacherous and fragile, if you are then going to have Space Marines stomp around on it.

The movie also has a horrendously high rate of attrition for marines. If it takes years to raise one up from a human to a Marine, then they shouldn't be dying right and left to every conceivable threat. It would be like if the US Navy commissioned a new Aircraft carrier, spent billions constructing it, and then a swordfish with a vendetta sank it. Don't even get me started on the Chaos Marines. Anything and everything kills them dead. Useless.

In addition, the CGI is abysmal. If you have an entire movie about big dudes in armor, and you can't animate human faces to save your life, LEAVE THE HELMETS ON. If you can't animate realistic flames in any way, maybe don't include a GUY WITH A FLAMER WHO USES IT AS A FLASHLIGHT. Maybe give him a meltagun?

It should have been a absolutely simple cash cow which would have sold to every Spess Muhreen fanboy, and introduced the setting to countless new geeks, and instead, it's the grimdark version of the D&D movie.

Game was good, movie made me want to kick a puppy.

I still stick to the GoW series more than SM. Kill team for 360 still grabs my attention from time to time as well

Da Butcha wrote:

A HUGE portion of the movie is just walking. They walk over here. They walk over there. They walk back over here. If you thought the Lord of the Rings had a lot of walking around, you ain't seen nuttin' yet.

At least in LotR you got to see beautiful NZ countryside, and it served a purpose of moving the story from one geographic location to the next.

The UM movie was walking on flat featureless surface with a sandstorm blocking any scenery that might have been there.

Not true. They walked uphull on a featureless surface.

But it wasn't flat.

I saw one seen from the movie and thought it was a juvenile film student that did it.

The game I really liked. I even downloaded the Iron Warrior skin and a few others.

 MWHistorian wrote:
I saw one seen from the movie and thought it was a juvenile film student that did it.

The game I really liked. I even downloaded the Iron Warrior skin and a few others.

Juvenile student film?

Can I show you one of the things my group of Friends made?





He's a freshmen in college by the way

And then this is one of the seniors from a partner program of ours

*warning Violence* LOTS AND LOTS OF VIOLENCE!


Please do not compare students to crappy CGI artists who need to work on their models in general.

If students can find better soundtracks and resources than those film guys then You know you have screwed up.

It looked like as if they rendered everything in Default Scanline.... Or maybe Mental Ray...... I don't know.


The game though is a different story. And I really wished they could continue the series. It would be kind of awesome to see it continued.

I loved the game, albeit its flaws and the fact that some artistic liberties (melta guns, lascannons) were taken. But it was fun to smash orks and Chaos marines. And the multiplayer was pretty bangin, until everyone left.
You know speaking of games, eternal crusade guys....
Although it doesnt come out for another year at least.


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 Asherian Command wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
I saw one seen from the movie and thought it was a juvenile film student that did it.

The game I really liked. I even downloaded the Iron Warrior skin and a few others.

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Also, damn thats incredible. Your friend certainly has a future.

 jreilly89 wrote:
I know they are technically separate monsters, but I liked both the movie and the game. I thought they both had technical missteps, but I felt they set the theme and tone as a Space Marine quite well.

the game was very good and very enjoyable. The only problem is that if you play it for too long, it gets repetetive

 insaniak wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:
The movie was a train wreck in every way. The Chaplain part was just...eugh..

I can't think of anything more badass than using a crozius arcanum as a bubblewand to kill traitors with a stream of Scariness Bubbles.

fighting chaos by moonlight
training hard by daylight
never running from a real fight
he is the one named chaplain carnak

Liked the game, refuse to waste time or money on the "movie".

Game was a lot of fun, but unfortunately nobody plays it anymore.

For the movie, all that I had to do was read the plotline to know it was complete and utter crap.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Liked the game, refuse to waste time or money on the "movie".

I saw the first half of the movie on youtube, it was pretty dire.

Sorry, I meant Juvenile in the literal sense, as in children playing with a computer animation program.

Haven't seen the movie and don't intend to, but the Space Marine game was pretty solid. Story was meh, but gameplay was fun and the multiplayer would have rocked with dedicated servers.

I found the game entertaining once, but with little long-term value or memorability (cliched plot, badly-written 5e Ultramarines, one-dimensional gameplay). The movie was pretty bad, it had no coherent plot, the animators stuck too close to the miniatures and the action suffered for it, and it was loaded down with canon errors that detracted from the movie for me as a fan.