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The 6th ed codex had a specific section dedicated to this saying you can, I cant seem to find such a section in the 7th ed rulebook.

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Looks like no, you cannot take jink saves against tank shock (ramming).
   
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Needs to be a shooting attack to trigger Jink, which a Ram isn't.
   
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A vehicle wouldn't be able to declare a Jink against a Ram, as a ram isn't a shooting attack. But if you had declared a Jink earlier (it would have had to be a weapon using Interceptor, or a multi-player/side battle) you could use it against the penetrating / glancing hit presumably?

Of course, that doesn't help (Bikes / Jetbikes) against either Death or Glory or being crushed by being unable to move out of the way of a Tank Shock (as they don't cause wounds).
   
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Since ramming happens in the Movement phase, the rammed vehicle won't still be jinking.

Unless they jinked as part of Overwatch. That's the only way it will still be Jinking.
   
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But jink is a cover save. I don't think it works vs ram attacks.
   
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 koooaei wrote:
But jink is a cover save. I don't think it works vs ram attacks.

There's no reason it wouldn't.

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Cover saves are only against shooting though, right? AFAIK that's the case, don't have the BRB with me right now, otherwise SM scouts with Camo cloaks would get 6+ cover against AP4 weapons in CC, in which case I may need to rethink my stance on scouts
   
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skolirvarden wrote:
Cover saves are only against shooting though, right? AFAIK that's the case, don't have the BRB with me right now, otherwise SM scouts with Camo cloaks would get 6+ cover against AP4 weapons in CC, in which case I may need to rethink my stance on scouts

No. CC explicitly prohibits cover saves, but in general all saves are allowed at all times.

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rigeld2 wrote:
 koooaei wrote:
But jink is a cover save. I don't think it works vs ram attacks.

There's no reason it wouldn't.

Wouldn't being rammed by a tank, although it has no real profile, fall more under a CC attack than a shooting attack? Cover saves only work against shooting, to dodge a tank you'd have to completely move the model out of it's way (which is movement, not a jink).
   
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 kingbobbito wrote:
rigeld2 wrote:
 koooaei wrote:
But jink is a cover save. I don't think it works vs ram attacks.

There's no reason it wouldn't.

Wouldn't being rammed by a tank, although it has no real profile, fall more under a CC attack than a shooting attack? Cover saves only work against shooting, to dodge a tank you'd have to completely move the model out of it's way (which is movement, not a jink).

Fluffwise, sure.
Ruleswise, no. Ramming isn't a shooting attack, but that's not relevant. It's also not a CC attack, and CC attacks are the only thing that prohibits cover saves.

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 kingbobbito wrote:
rigeld2 wrote:
 koooaei wrote:
But jink is a cover save. I don't think it works vs ram attacks.

There's no reason it wouldn't.

Wouldn't being rammed by a tank, although it has no real profile, fall more under a CC attack than a shooting attack? Cover saves only work against shooting, to dodge a tank you'd have to completely move the model out of it's way (which is movement, not a jink).


Problem is, only CC attacks have RaW to disallow Cover saves (and anything with ignores cover or specific wording). As ramming does not mention being a CC attack or mention cover saves, they have to apply...


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Some of the terminology in the cover save rules ("firer", "fires", etc.) is problematic if you try to apply them to a non-shooting attack.

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 Ghaz wrote:
Some of the terminology in the cover save rules ("firer", "fires", etc.) is problematic if you try to apply them to a non-shooting attack.

Only if you're checking for obscurity.
Jink doesn't care about that.

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Some people however will argue that 'Jink' gives you a cover save which by its wording seems to indicate it can only be used against shooting attacks. Personally I don't care either way, but be prepared for it to be brought up.

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 Ghaz wrote:
Some people however will argue that 'Jink' gives you a cover save which by its wording seems to indicate it can only be used against shooting attacks. Personally I don't care either way, but be prepared for it to be brought up.

Except that's not a true statement whatsoever.
The only rules to determine obscurement refer to shooting attacks.
Except we already know we have a cover save and don't care about being obscured.

It's like saying "Be prepared to have people tell you BS4 hits on a 4+. Because obviously 4 hits on a 4."

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