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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/17 10:39:56
Subject: Can you take jink saves against tank shock?
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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The 6th ed codex had a specific section dedicated to this saying you can, I cant seem to find such a section in the 7th ed rulebook.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2015/01/17 10:40:21
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/17 11:48:32
Subject: Can you take jink saves against tank shock?
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Guardsman with Flashlight
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Looks like no, you cannot take jink saves against tank shock (ramming).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/17 13:10:14
Subject: Can you take jink saves against tank shock?
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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Needs to be a shooting attack to trigger Jink, which a Ram isn't.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/17 15:33:59
Subject: Re:Can you take jink saves against tank shock?
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Executing Exarch
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A vehicle wouldn't be able to declare a Jink against a Ram, as a ram isn't a shooting attack. But if you had declared a Jink earlier (it would have had to be a weapon using Interceptor, or a multi-player/side battle) you could use it against the penetrating / glancing hit presumably?
Of course, that doesn't help (Bikes / Jetbikes) against either Death or Glory or being crushed by being unable to move out of the way of a Tank Shock (as they don't cause wounds).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/17 15:41:07
Subject: Can you take jink saves against tank shock?
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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Since ramming happens in the Movement phase, the rammed vehicle won't still be jinking.
Unless they jinked as part of Overwatch. That's the only way it will still be Jinking.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/19 07:57:37
Subject: Re:Can you take jink saves against tank shock?
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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But jink is a cover save. I don't think it works vs ram attacks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/19 13:58:18
Subject: Re:Can you take jink saves against tank shock?
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The Hive Mind
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koooaei wrote:But jink is a cover save. I don't think it works vs ram attacks.
There's no reason it wouldn't.
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My beautiful wife wrote:Trucks = Carnifex snack, Tanks = meals. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/19 15:37:27
Subject: Can you take jink saves against tank shock?
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Death-Dealing Devastator
Melbourne,Vic
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Cover saves are only against shooting though, right? AFAIK that's the case, don't have the BRB with me right now, otherwise SM scouts with Camo cloaks would get 6+ cover against AP4 weapons in CC, in which case I may need to rethink my stance on scouts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/19 15:48:07
Subject: Can you take jink saves against tank shock?
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The Hive Mind
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skolirvarden wrote:Cover saves are only against shooting though, right? AFAIK that's the case, don't have the BRB with me right now, otherwise SM scouts with Camo cloaks would get 6+ cover against AP4 weapons in CC, in which case I may need to rethink my stance on scouts
No. CC explicitly prohibits cover saves, but in general all saves are allowed at all times.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/19 15:59:50
Subject: Re:Can you take jink saves against tank shock?
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Wouldn't being rammed by a tank, although it has no real profile, fall more under a CC attack than a shooting attack? Cover saves only work against shooting, to dodge a tank you'd have to completely move the model out of it's way (which is movement, not a jink).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/19 16:02:04
Subject: Re:Can you take jink saves against tank shock?
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The Hive Mind
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kingbobbito wrote:
Wouldn't being rammed by a tank, although it has no real profile, fall more under a CC attack than a shooting attack? Cover saves only work against shooting, to dodge a tank you'd have to completely move the model out of it's way (which is movement, not a jink).
Fluffwise, sure.
Ruleswise, no. Ramming isn't a shooting attack, but that's not relevant. It's also not a CC attack, and CC attacks are the only thing that prohibits cover saves.
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My beautiful wife wrote:Trucks = Carnifex snack, Tanks = meals. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/19 16:07:11
Subject: Re:Can you take jink saves against tank shock?
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Confessor Of Sins
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kingbobbito wrote:
Wouldn't being rammed by a tank, although it has no real profile, fall more under a CC attack than a shooting attack? Cover saves only work against shooting, to dodge a tank you'd have to completely move the model out of it's way (which is movement, not a jink).
Problem is, only CC attacks have RaW to disallow Cover saves (and anything with ignores cover or specific wording). As ramming does not mention being a CC attack or mention cover saves, they have to apply...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/19 16:20:26
Subject: Can you take jink saves against tank shock?
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Lieutenant General
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Some of the terminology in the cover save rules ("firer", "fires", etc.) is problematic if you try to apply them to a non-shooting attack.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/19 16:40:21
Subject: Can you take jink saves against tank shock?
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The Hive Mind
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Ghaz wrote:Some of the terminology in the cover save rules ("firer", "fires", etc.) is problematic if you try to apply them to a non-shooting attack.
Only if you're checking for obscurity.
Jink doesn't care about that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/19 16:49:18
Subject: Can you take jink saves against tank shock?
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Lieutenant General
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Some people however will argue that 'Jink' gives you a cover save which by its wording seems to indicate it can only be used against shooting attacks. Personally I don't care either way, but be prepared for it to be brought up.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/19 17:02:26
Subject: Can you take jink saves against tank shock?
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The Hive Mind
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Ghaz wrote:Some people however will argue that 'Jink' gives you a cover save which by its wording seems to indicate it can only be used against shooting attacks. Personally I don't care either way, but be prepared for it to be brought up.
Except that's not a true statement whatsoever.
The only rules to determine obscurement refer to shooting attacks.
Except we already know we have a cover save and don't care about being obscured.
It's like saying "Be prepared to have people tell you BS4 hits on a 4+. Because obviously 4 hits on a 4."
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My beautiful wife wrote:Trucks = Carnifex snack, Tanks = meals. |
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