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Last time I did this the lion beat the wolf by votes so this time we will do sanguinious vs angron, who wins in a fight?

Voted Sangy just due to Angrons blind rage at times, Undoubtedly a top fighter but focus and "a cool head" should see Sang through.

This will be a close one I think, but of course I have to vote for Sanguinius

Sanguinus as has a cooler head, Russ beat him not by winning but better planning.

He cannot win by force but use his rage against him, and outsmart and bring him down by brains not force.

Nails for Brains wins this one.

Angron won in single combat against russ. But russ had him Surrounded with Terminators/ Other SM. Russ retreated becuase he was also upset that angron allowed himself to be put in such an obvious spot.

Basically, If we put angron and Sangy in a Cage match, who will win?


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I say angron . but It would still be a very close call. I believe it has been said sangy was the better fighter

Considering that Sanguinius can fly, he automatically gains victory through that advantage. He can dive bomb Angron at supersonic speeds, grab him and drop him from a couple thousand feet in the air, etc.

Sanguinius beats Angron. Blood Angel for the Blood Angel god

I want to say Sanguinus, but it's dependent on the situation. Flight is a huge advantage in an open field fight. In a cage match where the Angel can't use his flight the wings just get in the way, and he can't escape slugging it out toe-to-toe with Angron. In that case Angron wins.

When it comes to tactics I wouldn't write Angron off so easily. He led the gladiator rebellion on his home world for ages, fighting an entire planet with a handful of (augmented) slave-warriors. He's Spartacus in the 31st Millennium. Sure, he's got rage issues which sometimes cloud his judgement, but tactics are not a slam-dunk for Sanguinus.

In the end, though, I refer you to Stan Lee. In 'Stan's Rants' when asked "who would win, X or Y?" he responded (paraphrased)....

"Whoever the author wants to win. If it's a Spiderman title, Spiderman finds a way to win. This isn't science, you know."

My two teef.

Sangy was pretty good at killing Khornate Greater Daemons. I don't see why Angry Ron should be any different!

important question. is this deamon prince angron or pre-ascendance angron?

Sangy wrecks either so it doesn't matter, matter of fact I'd wager sangy would best the DP angorn easier, what having fought so many of the greater demons

Sanguinius. Angron is a beast in combat, but 1v1 isn't so much his style, he's something you let out of the cage to tear apart a group.

skolirvarden wrote:
Sanguinius. Angron is a beast in combat, but 1v1 isn't so much his style, he's something you let out of the cage to tear apart a group.

even his TT rules reflect this.

Remember he literally fought his way out of 50ft of permacrete that had collapsed on him, then managed to not only stop an emperor class titans stomp(saving lorgar), but hold it in place untill chaos titans captured it.

I thought it was warhound titan


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And I think russ intentionally lost to make his point. I read in a recent book russ was talking to someone and he said he knew he can beat all his brothers. Since he has sparred with all of them.

yellowfever wrote:
I thought it was warhound titan


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And I think russ intentionally lost to make his point. I read in a recent book russ was talking to someone and he said he knew he can beat all his brothers. Since he has sparred with all of them.

When somebody says "I can beat everyone" this probably means they're lying considering they're the most biased source that could come from.

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And I think russ intentionally lost to make his point. I read in a recent book Russ was talking to someone and he said he knew he can beat all his brothers. Since he has sparred with all of them.

If it was the Betrayer, then Russ did intentionally used himself as a bait; on the other hand, had he intended to loss to Angron? Well, I mean it's not impossible.

Russ having him surrounded in combat would just make him a Highrider (one of the slavers from his homeworld) to Angron. And losing to him to prove that such tactics are superior... I don't think Russ could do something more foolish.

On the subject of the thread I think Sanguinius would win unless he would start flying. Angron would probably get uncontrollably mad, grab hold of an ankle and... carnage.

Personally in the 1v1 enclosed area I go angron all day, meet on a battlefield in the open and sang will take it no problem, remember in the books sang is the best close combat fighter hands down, hours said he had to recruit angron because he is the only one with a HOPE of beating sang

Open battlefield, its Sanguinius because wings. Fly up and take the high ground+manueverability. In a cage match, Angron, because he attacks with absolutely no relenting. He attacks for furiously and viciously you simply must defend or be killed, leaving no room to mount your own offensive.

That said, Sanguinius is not exactly a wimp in CC. He would probably be the one with the best chance of beating Angron at all.

Voted Angron because in the grim dark universe, Sanguinius would think he had the upper hand, then have his head ripped clean off in a sudden sweep of Angrons rage... but we all know who would really win between Sanguin and Angron... Russ.

Who would win? Apharius, thats who.

Tzeentch would win. He's been manipulating the Alpha Legion all along. Alphas are Tzeeentch's 'other' legion (the schemers, whereas the Thousand Sons are his magic boys), and the best thing is they think they're working for their own interests.

All joking aside, Angron was trained and cut his teeth as a gladiator. He knows one-on-one and small group combat better than any other Primarch. He'd tear Sanguinus apart if he could reach him.

Of course, reaching Sanguinus would be the issue in an open field fight. I'm thinking Angron doesn't go in much for the kind of long-range shooting you'd need to bring Sanguinus down and make the fight a 'fair' close combat brawl.

Of course a 'fair fight' against Angron isn't fair at all. A berserk Primarch in your face is a scary prospect. I'm not sure how much power Angron really gained when he ascended, other than the obvious 'Butchers Nails Ain't Gonna Kill Me' thing.

So cage match, angron has the fight in the bag.

But Open field battle, sang has it.

DaKKaLAnce wrote:
So cage match, angron has the fight in the bag.

But Open field battle, sang has it.

Not necessarily. Sanguinius could beat Angron without the wings, so long as he has room to maneuver (ie a mid-to-large-sized cage). You can't forget that the Butcher's Nails turn Angron into the Hulk, only killable. Basically "Angron smash!" The whole time that he fights. Angron can do tactics and fight smart, but once the fight commences the Butcher's Nails consume him and he become a beast of rage and will do nothing but attack nonstop.


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Warboss Gorhack wrote:
Tzeentch would win. He's been manipulating the Alpha Legion all along. Alphas are Tzeeentch's 'other' legion (the schemers, whereas the Thousand Sons are his magic boys), and the best thing is they think they're working for their own interests.

All joking aside, Angron was trained and cut his teeth as a gladiator. He knows one-on-one and small group combat better than any other Primarch. He'd tear Sanguinus apart if he could reach him.

Of course, reaching Sanguinus would be the issue in an open field fight. I'm thinking Angron doesn't go in much for the kind of long-range shooting you'd need to bring Sanguinus down and make the fight a 'fair' close combat brawl.

Of course a 'fair fight' against Angron isn't fair at all. A berserk Primarch in your face is a scary prospect. I'm not sure how much power Angron really gained when he ascended, other than the obvious 'Butchers Nails Ain't Gonna Kill Me' thing.

That Gladiator training is down to instinct, now, though. He can't think, he can't parry, he can't feign, he can only ATTACK. A warrior like Sanguinius who can think without thinking, AND has the instinct and reflexes down, will win.

BTW, in case none of you have actually been in a fight, the only way to think is to think without thinking. It makes zero sense, but that's the only way to describe. Basically, you have no tie to consider things and your brain is moving so fast that you only really form impressions and notions in your head without actually forming thoughts. If yiu take the time to form actual thoughts, then you get the gak smacked outta ya. However, this takes a cold detatchment to do, and if you fight with rage then all thought goes about the window except for SMASH!!!

 dusara217 wrote:

DaKKaLAnce wrote:
So cage match, angron has the fight in the bag.

But Open field battle, sang has it.

Not necessarily. Sanguinius could beat Angron without the wings, so long as he has room to maneuver (ie a mid-to-large-sized cage). You can't forget that the Butcher's Nails turn Angron into the Hulk, only killable. Basically "Angron smash!" The whole time that he fights. Angron can do tactics and fight smart, but once the fight commences the Butcher's Nails consume him and he become a beast of rage and will do nothing but attack nonstop.


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Warboss Gorhack wrote:
Tzeentch would win. He's been manipulating the Alpha Legion all along. Alphas are Tzeeentch's 'other' legion (the schemers, whereas the Thousand Sons are his magic boys), and the best thing is they think they're working for their own interests.

All joking aside, Angron was trained and cut his teeth as a gladiator. He knows one-on-one and small group combat better than any other Primarch. He'd tear Sanguinus apart if he could reach him.

Of course, reaching Sanguinus would be the issue in an open field fight. I'm thinking Angron doesn't go in much for the kind of long-range shooting you'd need to bring Sanguinus down and make the fight a 'fair' close combat brawl.

Of course a 'fair fight' against Angron isn't fair at all. A berserk Primarch in your face is a scary prospect. I'm not sure how much power Angron really gained when he ascended, other than the obvious 'Butchers Nails Ain't Gonna Kill Me' thing.

That Gladiator training is down to instinct, now, though. He can't think, he can't parry, he can't feign, he can only ATTACK. A warrior like Sanguinius who can think without thinking, AND has the instinct and reflexes down, will win.

BTW, in case none of you have actually been in a fight, the only way to think is to think without thinking. It makes zero sense, but that's the only way to describe. Basically, you have no tie to consider things and your brain is moving so fast that you only really form impressions and notions in your head without actually forming thoughts. If yiu take the time to form actual thoughts, then you get the gak smacked outta ya. However, this takes a cold detatchment to do, and if you fight with rage then all thought goes about the window except for SMASH!!!

The closest I have come to true fights is a few boxing matches and competitive judo. If the enemy is attack non-stop, you can of course block and upset his rhythm and go on the offensive yourself. Except that that relies on them fearing to get hit and take a hit too, which Angron doesn't. Even if Sangy was able to parry and get a hit or two on, barring killing strokes, Angron would ignore the wound and continue to attack, which leaves Sangy with no defence and very very vulnerable.

 Deadshot wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:

DaKKaLAnce wrote:
So cage match, angron has the fight in the bag.

But Open field battle, sang has it.

Not necessarily. Sanguinius could beat Angron without the wings, so long as he has room to maneuver (ie a mid-to-large-sized cage). You can't forget that the Butcher's Nails turn Angron into the Hulk, only killable. Basically "Angron smash!" The whole time that he fights. Angron can do tactics and fight smart, but once the fight commences the Butcher's Nails consume him and he become a beast of rage and will do nothing but attack nonstop.


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Warboss Gorhack wrote:
Tzeentch would win. He's been manipulating the Alpha Legion all along. Alphas are Tzeeentch's 'other' legion (the schemers, whereas the Thousand Sons are his magic boys), and the best thing is they think they're working for their own interests.

All joking aside, Angron was trained and cut his teeth as a gladiator. He knows one-on-one and small group combat better than any other Primarch. He'd tear Sanguinus apart if he could reach him.

Of course, reaching Sanguinus would be the issue in an open field fight. I'm thinking Angron doesn't go in much for the kind of long-range shooting you'd need to bring Sanguinus down and make the fight a 'fair' close combat brawl.

Of course a 'fair fight' against Angron isn't fair at all. A berserk Primarch in your face is a scary prospect. I'm not sure how much power Angron really gained when he ascended, other than the obvious 'Butchers Nails Ain't Gonna Kill Me' thing.

That Gladiator training is down to instinct, now, though. He can't think, he can't parry, he can't feign, he can only ATTACK. A warrior like Sanguinius who can think without thinking, AND has the instinct and reflexes down, will win.

BTW, in case none of you have actually been in a fight, the only way to think is to think without thinking. It makes zero sense, but that's the only way to describe. Basically, you have no tie to consider things and your brain is moving so fast that you only really form impressions and notions in your head without actually forming thoughts. If yiu take the time to form actual thoughts, then you get the gak smacked outta ya. However, this takes a cold detatchment to do, and if you fight with rage then all thought goes about the window except for SMASH!!!

The closest I have come to true fights is a few boxing matches and competitive judo. If the enemy is attack non-stop, you can of course block and upset his rhythm and go on the offensive yourself. Except that that relies on them fearing to get hit and take a hit too, which Angron doesn't. Even if Sangy was able to parry and get a hit or two on, barring killing strokes, Angron would ignore the wound and continue to attack, which leaves Sangy with no defence and very very vulnerable.

Sanguinius has agility that Angron simply lacks. If it came down to it, he could give Angron Death by a Thousand Cuts.

Sanguinius is no louch in the physical strength category either. He caught Ka'Bandha's axe between his hands and simply snapped it, without much effort based on the description. He also threw his sword strong enough to pin a greater daemon to a wall, and the daemon couldn't pull it back out. Angron going full butcher's nails crazy doesn't necessarily secure the win for him.

I think the problem here is there are a lot of Blood Angels weighing in and very few World Eaters. Besides, it doesn't matter who wins, Curze will just stab the winner from behind to finish him off.

It will not take many hits from angron to kill Sangy. Just because angron is a angry man, does not mean he cant fight well. That is all he knows, he can fight very well and I honestly think he can kill sangy if put in a cage match. Dont compare him to a greater daemon and assume sang can take him on. Primarchs are above greater daemon, So this will be a completely different secnario.