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It's all in the title here guys.

Hopefully there is a chaplain nearby to talk to him, or close friend. Deathwatch treads on this BUT with a Flesh Tearer.

Then are they sent back to their original chapter? Or do they instead die gloriously in battle with the Deathwatch?

Probably killed.

Considering how ridiculously devoted to security the Deathwatch is, they'd probably kill them or arrange an "accident." I would doubt they'd go to the effort of imprisoning and sending the Blood Angel back to Baal, or keeping them on in a special role, unless the Deathwatch staging post was commanded by a Blood Angel or Blood Angel successor Captain, who would be more understanding.

Animus has it. It would likely be assumed that the Blood Angel had fallen prey to some xenos manipulation or possibly even warp taint, and he would be executed on the spot.

Deathwatch chaplains, one of the permanent members of the chapter, are cross-trained in the practices of hundreds of different chapters. I'm sure they would be aware of the curse that sons of Sanguinius carry and would be trained in a method of dealing with it. Barring that, I'd be surprised if there wasn't at least one other Blood Angel successor marine at the Watch Fortress who would recognize what it is.

jareddm wrote:
Deathwatch chaplains, one of the permanent members of the chapter, are cross-trained in the practices of hundreds of different chapters. I'm sure they would be aware of the curse that sons of Sanguinius carry and would be trained in a method of dealing with it. Barring that, I'd be surprised if there wasn't at least one other Blood Angel successor marine at the Watch Fortress who would recognize what it is.

Thats a pretty big weakness for the sons of Sanguinius to divulge. But raises and interesting issue with the Space Wolves as well. What if one of them just elected to turn into a half-mad Wulfen right then and there during supper? How would the rest of the guys react?

Where in the Deathwatch did you find this?

Probbly keep it quiet if asked too.
Offending a first founding could cause them to lose recruits from a successor.

Deathwatch: Rites of Battle details the role of the Deathwatch chaplain. They're a permanent member of the Deathwatch and do not return to their chapter, so the knowledge they have regarding various chapters is for the benefit of marine serving in the Deathwatch only. Besides, it's not like the Black Rage isn't a trait of dozens of other chapters. In addition, all Deathwatch marines are sworn to secrecy regarding the operation of the Deathwatch and the operation that they witness of their brother marines. This is in both the Deathwatch core rules and the Deathwatch novel.

It should also be noted that the chapters own chaplains will check the marine before he is sent. They obviously won't send a marine they think is at risk, same goes for the Space Wolves.

It makes sense that the Deathwatch would know of the Black Rage and have contingencies to deal with it. Given the fractured nature of the Imperium, the Inquisition and the Deathwatch methods of dealing with it are probably as varied as the number of Inquisitors out there.

I'd assume that Black Rage Marines aren't completely uncontrollable. After all, the Blood Angels and successors have time to go through the rituals of induction to the Death Company, painting their armor black, etc.

From the fluff on Tycho he wasn't completely irrational until he got into a fight, when the adrenalin drove him over the edge. I'm assuming here that the Deathwatch could identify the condition and call on a chaplain to soothe his spirit long enough to do something than apply the Emperor's Grace immediately.

I'm sure immediate execution probably happens in some cases. If the onset is too sudden and complete and/or the Deathwatch doesn't recognize the symptoms in time that may be the only solution. I can't imagine chasing a crazed Marine on a killing spree through the interior of a Deathwatch station/vessel or stalking him across some unsuspecting Imperial planet would be much fun.

If a team realized a Brother was succumbing on the eve of battle they'd probably try to unleash the affected Space Marine on the enemy to make best possible use of their condition.

Afterwards, if the Brother was calm enough they could try to have a Chaplain calm him until they could cryo-stasis him. If that failed, the Emperor's Grace might be the only answer.

Deathwatch would probably report that the Brother 'fell honorably'. Whether they'd tell the Chapter that their Brother succumbed to the Rage would be another matter, probably depending on the Chapter's expected response to the information.

If there was an opportunity to put him in cryostasis they might unfreeze him in case of emergency. Basically, they'd do the same thing that's done with an Eversor assassin or maybe an Arco-Flagellant. Possibly the Inquisitor would point a thawed Brother at some Xeno that needed killing with predictable results. The aftermath would probably play out just like the 'eve of battle' scenario above.

If an Inquisitor was particularly sympathetic to the Blood Angels (or successor chapter), or wanted to earn a favor from them, that Inquisitor might very well go to the trouble of returning a Brother in stasis to their chapter. I doubt returning the Brother would be a high priority, though. The Brother might sit in stasis for decades or more. It's even possible that they might forget they had him in cryosleep until some poor, unsuspecting slob thawed him out a century-plus hence.

Just a couple of scenarios for your consideration.

My two teef

There is precedence for this, as the Storm Wardens put their first company into stasis after it was determined they were afflicted with the Enslaver taint.

jareddm wrote:
There is precedence for this, as the Storm Wardens put their first company into stasis after it was determined they were afflicted with the Enslaver taint.

Holy gak, the Enslavers still exist?

Of course they still exist. They even had stats in Dark Heresy.

jareddm wrote:
Of course they still exist. They even had stats in Dark Heresy.

I would have thought they'd haveoved on to another galaxy ornevolved into something else by now

jareddm wrote:
In addition, all Deathwatch marines are sworn to secrecy regarding the operation of the Deathwatch and the operation that they witness of their brother marines.

That doesnt mean they are not going to kill them... they just wont tell anybody

Yeah and they seem to be added permenently to the rooster if the cross path with EG the Grey Knights from something I read, plus it has earlier been mentioned in this thread that chaplains tends to be permanent assignments. I can see that, as EG Imperial Fists and Ultramarines would have mainor issues with how they do stuff, but an Imperial Fist Chaplain suddenly dealing with a Space Wolve or Blood Angel would have a new challenge on his hand. Nevermind if you add a few of the less humans chapters.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Yeah and they seem to be added permenently to the rooster if the cross path with EG the Grey Knights from something I read, plus it has earlier been mentioned in this thread that chaplains tends to be permanent assignments. I can see that, as EG Imperial Fists and Ultramarines would have mainor issues with how they do stuff, but an Imperial Fist Chaplain suddenly dealing with a Space Wolve or Blood Angel would have a new challenge on his hand. Nevermind if you add a few of the less humans chapters.

Actually, Deathwatch chaplains are almost never chaplains from their home chapters. A marine who shows promise may get selected while serving a vigil and would be given the full chaplain training over a period of several years if they agree to The Long Vigil. Chapter chaplains would be much less likely to have the open-mindedness and objectiveness to function as a Deathwatch chaplain.

Also, it's really worth remembering that, in general, the Chapters all send distinguished, notable marines to represent them honorably or resolve ancient pacts in the Deathwatch. It's highly, highly unlikely that the Blood Angels would send someone to serve in the Deathwatch who had any significant danger of succumbing.

Of course, the unusual stresses that Deathwatch marines are put under might cause the Rage to emerge, but I think that all of the other marines would assume that the stress, and a general 'flaw in the geneseed of THIS particular marine' were to blame. It's widely known that a lot of chapters have minor inconsistencies in their geneseed, and widely known that individual marines might have geneseed irregularities (heck, chapters screen for it).

So, I think that it would be extremely rare in the first place, and then, wouldn't be recognized as a 'Chapter trait' of the Blood Angels if it did emerge. The Deathwatch would just assume that Brother So-and-so's was unable to withstand some event, and lost his mind. It would be seen as regrettable, possibly dishonorable, and maybe even shameful, but not as evidence of a hidden curse on the Blood Angel geneseed.


I think a Space Wolf going full Wulfen would be even rarer. I don't think the Rune Priests and Wolf Priests would even consider seconding a marine who might do that to the Deathwatch.

It's the same reason you don't have a lot of Navy SEALs going nuts and shooting up the place. The selection process is pretty exacting, so those who might do that get weeded out first.

It's for your own good *BLAM*

Depends on who's in charge at that point. Going by the Deathwatch RPG if the team camaraderie was sufficient I suspect they'd either point him at a Carnifex and let go or sedate him and ship him home; if otherwise the pistol is a more likely solution.

Da Butcha wrote:
Also, it's really worth remembering that, in general, the Chapters all send distinguished, notable marines to represent them honorably or resolve ancient pacts in the Deathwatch. It's highly, highly unlikely that the Blood Angels would send someone to serve in the Deathwatch who had any significant danger of succumbing.

Of course, the unusual stresses that Deathwatch marines are put under might cause the Rage to emerge, but I think that all of the other marines would assume that the stress, and a general 'flaw in the geneseed of THIS particular marine' were to blame. It's widely known that a lot of chapters have minor inconsistencies in their geneseed, and widely known that individual marines might have geneseed irregularities (heck, chapters screen for it).

So, I think that it would be extremely rare in the first place, and then, wouldn't be recognized as a 'Chapter trait' of the Blood Angels if it did emerge. The Deathwatch would just assume that Brother So-and-so's was unable to withstand some event, and lost his mind. It would be seen as regrettable, possibly dishonorable, and maybe even shameful, but not as evidence of a hidden curse on the Blood Angel geneseed.


I think a Space Wolf going full Wulfen would be even rarer. I don't think the Rune Priests and Wolf Priests would even consider seconding a marine who might do that to the Deathwatch.

It's the same reason you don't have a lot of Navy SEALs going nuts and shooting up the place. The selection process is pretty exacting, so those who might do that get weeded out first.

This. Although, you can't forget that even the most senior and respected of Space Wolves can Wulf out without indication. Just look at Murderfang the Wolfnought.

 dusara217 wrote:

This. Although, you can't forget that even the most senior and respected of Space Wolves can Wulf out without indication. Just look at Murderfang the Wolfnought.

While I would prefer to pretend to live in a universe where Murderface McWolfbot didn't exist, I can come up with a good reason for him. Dreadnought sarcophagi are fundamentally life support systems. If a grievously injured hero was interred in one, and then put into suspended animation to guard some important site (say, an indestructible demon weapon), that Space Wolf might lie in suspended animation for centuries, or thousands of years. He might even be forgotten. If during that time, his Canis Helix malfunctions and transforms him, rather than being awakened by some sort of security protocols, he might spontaneously awaken as a horribly warped Wulfen.

Now, I can't explain why the dread doesn't have a face plate, or why the Space Wolves would, instead of putting down an insane, warped, and tormented brother, freeze him and drop him on people they didn't like. Nor can I justify magical ice claws for him.

But I can justify the existence of a lone, Wulfen dreadnought.

I doubt they would ship him home, probably point him at something and say do your thing.

The black rage doesn't cause blood angels to attack allies or battle brothers. They understand friend from foe(mostly) they just go by names from the great crusade its done rather well in the BA omnibus. The captain is battling visions of the past with a fee random "groundings" but slowly seeps further into the madness. He calls his friends by names from when sangiunius was still alive. (Also. Most enemies of those in thr black rage are figured as demons or Horus)