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I read a lot of scientific articles and papers. I used to be a firm believer that the big bang theory was a strong and reasonable theory. Over the past year or so though I've been digging deeper which has caused my eyes to open to some other possibilities. I always a little skeptical about how scientist could be so sure that redshift data proved the universe was expanding. I used to take this as fact but now I find myself calling the entire theory into question. Bodies all over the universe from obviously connected bodies are returning red-shifts that are astoundingly different. IMO this means we can no longer proclaim as fact that the universe is expanding - there must be other factors that influence red-shifts. This got me interested in Plasma-cosmology. I like this field because it doesn't invent particles or invisible (dark matter/dark energy) energies to make it's theories work - none of that is required, all that is required is to question everything that you've taken as fact for so long.
In plasma cosmology the idea is that the entire universe is connected by electric currents (usually plasma chains) which play a much large force in the universe than gravity does. It's a wonderful thought provoking theory. The most interesting part to me is that there must be a source of this electricity. What do you think the source could possibly be? Is it coming from outside the universe? Is it created and shared among the stars? What do you think?
http://metaresearch.org/home.asp ^here is an excellent source of information about a number of alternate theories and arguments against the big bang. Suggest you check it out.
If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder
Xenomancers wrote: I like this field because it doesn't invent particles or invisible (dark matter/dark energy) energies to make it's theories work - none of that is required, all that is required is to question everything that you've taken as fact for so long.
So you like this theory because it doesn't have to propose any new things, but you admit that it has no explanation for where this mysterious electricity comes from? I really don't see how "electricity from outside the universe" is a better explanation than "dark matter".
Oh, and the site you posted also embraces the "face on mars" idiocy popular among tinfoil hat theorists. Obviously that isn't conclusive proof that their theories about other things are incorrect, but it does suggest an alarming degree of gullibility and willingness to support theories based on how well they agree with existing beliefs instead of how much evidence they have.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Xenomancers wrote: I read a lot of scientific articles and papers. I used to be a firm believer that the big bang theory was a strong and reasonable theory. Over the past year or so though I've been digging deeper which has caused my eyes to open to some other possibilities. I always a little skeptical about how scientist could be so sure that redshift data proved the universe was expanding. I used to take this as fact but now I find myself calling the entire theory into question. Bodies all over the universe from obviously connected bodies are returning red-shifts that are astoundingly different. IMO this means we can no longer proclaim as fact that the universe is expanding - there must be other factors that influence red-shifts. This got me interested in Plasma-cosmology. I like this field because it doesn't invent particles or invisible (dark matter/dark energy) energies to make it's theories work - none of that is required, all that is required is to question everything that you've taken as fact for so long.
In plasma cosmology the idea is that the entire universe is connected by electric currents (usually plasma chains) which play a much large force in the universe than gravity does. It's a wonderful thought provoking theory. The most interesting part to me is that there must be a source of this electricity. What do you think the source could possibly be? Is it coming from outside the universe? Is it created and shared among the stars? What do you think?
http://metaresearch.org/home.asp ^here is an excellent source of information about a number of alternate theories and arguments against the big bang. Suggest you check it out.
Oh yay, this old chestnut. It's bunkum. Nonsense. Cobblers. Tripe. Hogwash. Claptrap. Hooey. Banana-gargling absurdity. It makes predictions that are demonstrably false, it fails to explain or predict things that have been demonstrably observed, and its primary advocates are alien-visitation believers, moon landing hoaxers, and engineers that wouldn't know a radio telescope from a toaster but believe because "hey I can do math too ya know" they know better than actual experts in the field and the uncountable observations and experiments that underpin the Standard Model. It's the same kind of junk-science pseudo-thinking that's behind climate change denialism and anti-vaxxers, and the only reason it's not as big an issue as those two clusterhumps is that nobody with any influence buys into it.
Electric Universe "Theory" is the Flat Earth "Theory" of cosmology.
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Electric Universe "Theory" is the Flat Earth "Theory" of cosmology.
That pretty much sums it up.
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daedalus wrote: To be fair, it's probably as plausible as the universe being a simulation being run in another universe.
Well sure, apart from the fact that the "simulation in a simulation" thing is a presently totally unfalsifiable thought experiment that doesn't claim to be anything else, while Electric Universe "Theory" makes falsifiable claims which are demonstrably false and purports to be a complete replacement for almost all of known astrophysics that the scientific community has just somehow managed to overlook.
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
Xenomancers wrote: I like this field because it doesn't invent particles or invisible (dark matter/dark energy) energies to make it's theories work - none of that is required, all that is required is to question everything that you've taken as fact for so long.
So you like this theory because it doesn't have to propose any new things, but you admit that it has no explanation for where this mysterious electricity comes from? I really don't see how "electricity from outside the universe" is a better explanation than "dark matter".
Oh, and the site you posted also embraces the "face on mars" idiocy popular among tinfoil hat theorists. Obviously that isn't conclusive proof that their theories about other things are incorrect, but it does suggest an alarming degree of gullibility and willingness to support theories based on how well they agree with existing beliefs instead of how much evidence they have.
Except electricity isn't imaginary and as far as science can prove dark energy and dark matter are. Plasma-cosmology makes logical assumptions. The visible universe is 99% plasma which is a highly electroconductive state of matter - electromagnetism is many magnitudes stronger than the force of gravity - therefore it's reasonable to assume that magnetism plays a larger roll than gravity in creating the structures of the universe. Plasma cosmologists make lots of observations that are basically ignored by mainstream science. For example - observations of quasars and a neighbor galaxies demonstrating several magnitudes difference in red shifts and seemingly being born out of galaxies. Real science works of observations and experiment - not theoretical mathematics with adjustable parameters and invented particles to only be applied when you need them and just totally ignored in earlier parts of the theory then divide by 0 to reset the infinities that the formulas suggest. Big bang isn't science anymore - it is religion.
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daedalus wrote: To be fair, it's probably as plausible as the universe being a simulation being run in another universe.
That holographic universe is junk. No science supports it.
Xenomancers wrote: I read a lot of scientific articles and papers. I used to be a firm believer that the big bang theory was a strong and reasonable theory. Over the past year or so though I've been digging deeper which has caused my eyes to open to some other possibilities. I always a little skeptical about how scientist could be so sure that redshift data proved the universe was expanding. I used to take this as fact but now I find myself calling the entire theory into question. Bodies all over the universe from obviously connected bodies are returning red-shifts that are astoundingly different. IMO this means we can no longer proclaim as fact that the universe is expanding - there must be other factors that influence red-shifts. This got me interested in Plasma-cosmology. I like this field because it doesn't invent particles or invisible (dark matter/dark energy) energies to make it's theories work - none of that is required, all that is required is to question everything that you've taken as fact for so long.
In plasma cosmology the idea is that the entire universe is connected by electric currents (usually plasma chains) which play a much large force in the universe than gravity does. It's a wonderful thought provoking theory. The most interesting part to me is that there must be a source of this electricity. What do you think the source could possibly be? Is it coming from outside the universe? Is it created and shared among the stars? What do you think?
http://metaresearch.org/home.asp ^here is an excellent source of information about a number of alternate theories and arguments against the big bang. Suggest you check it out.
Oh yay, this old chestnut. It's bunkum. Nonsense. Cobblers. Tripe. Hogwash. Claptrap. Hooey. Banana-gargling absurdity. It makes predictions that are demonstrably false, it fails to explain or predict things that have been demonstrably observed, and its primary advocates are alien-visitation believers, moon landing hoaxers, and engineers that wouldn't know a radio telescope from a toaster but believe because "hey I can do math too ya know" they know better than actual experts in the field and the uncountable observations and experiments that underpin the Standard Model. It's the same kind of junk-science pseudo-thinking that's behind climate change denialism and anti-vaxxers, and the only reason it's not as big an issue as those two clusterhumps is that nobody with any influence buys into it.
Electric Universe "Theory" is the Flat Earth "Theory" of cosmology.
Are you really comparing plasma cosmology to climate denialism? Your entire argument is Ad hominem and false equivalency. Why are you so upset? Have an open mind dude.
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If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder
Yodhrin wrote: Oh yay, this old chestnut. It's bunkum. Nonsense. Cobblers. Tripe. Hogwash. Claptrap. Hooey. Banana-gargling absurdity. It makes predictions that are demonstrably false, it fails to explain or predict things that have been demonstrably observed, and its primary advocates are alien-visitation believers, moon landing hoaxers, and engineers that wouldn't know a radio telescope from a toaster but believe because "hey I can do math too ya know" they know better than actual experts in the field and the uncountable observations and experiments that underpin the Standard Model. It's the same kind of junk-science pseudo-thinking that's behind climate change denialism and anti-vaxxers, and the only reason it's not as big an issue as those two clusterhumps is that nobody with any influence buys into it.
Electric Universe "Theory" is the Flat Earth "Theory" of cosmology.
And yet these kinds of theories stick around. You can stack up the evidence against them and bring in the greatest minds in the world to tell the believers otherwise, but it just convinces them even more that "everything we know is wrong."
The phenomenon is kinda fascinating. I don't think that the people who believe in stuff like this are stupid at all -- they're just attracted a kind of contrarian thinking or lifestyle at something deeper than a purely rational level. I won't play amateur psychologist and makes guesses as to why.
Yodhrin wrote: Oh yay, this old chestnut. It's bunkum. Nonsense. Cobblers. Tripe. Hogwash. Claptrap. Hooey. Banana-gargling absurdity. It makes predictions that are demonstrably false, it fails to explain or predict things that have been demonstrably observed, and its primary advocates are alien-visitation believers, moon landing hoaxers, and engineers that wouldn't know a radio telescope from a toaster but believe because "hey I can do math too ya know" they know better than actual experts in the field and the uncountable observations and experiments that underpin the Standard Model. It's the same kind of junk-science pseudo-thinking that's behind climate change denialism and anti-vaxxers, and the only reason it's not as big an issue as those two clusterhumps is that nobody with any influence buys into it.
Electric Universe "Theory" is the Flat Earth "Theory" of cosmology.
And yet these kinds of theories stick around. You can stack up the evidence against them and bring in the greatest minds in the world to tell the believers otherwise, but it just convinces them even more that "everything we know is wrong."
The phenomenon is kinda fascinating. I don't think that the people who believe in stuff like this are stupid at all -- they're just attracted a kind of contrarian thinking or lifestyle at something deeper than a purely rational level. I won't play amateur psychologist and makes guesses as to why.
We don't even know what causes gravity, we have no science to figure how it works at cosmic distances for this reason. Yet, an entire theory of the universe has been created with gravity as it core mechanic AND imaginary particles are invented to explain things that do not fit with the theory.
Check this article. It has links to 50 other articles demonstrating it's legitimacy. When put to the test and you don't assume the big bang as fact it doesn't stand up to static universe theories.
http://metaresearch.org/cosmology/BB-top-30.asp
With a little research into alternate theories you will realize that the big bang is probably the least viable theory on the table. Why do we like it so much then? Cause the public buys it. 95% of the earth believes in a supreme creator - which can align with the big bang with a stretch of the mind. Static universe theories do not fit with a divine creator because they have simply always existed. The scientific communities fascination with Einstein explains the resistance to new discoveries and theories. Forget the fact that when Einstein was alive our knowledge of the universe was limited to out own galaxy - it's time to move on and accept facts.
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Dreadwinter wrote: You mean imaginary particles that science has proven time and time again do exist?
I'm not referring to higgs or neutrinos - these have been proven to exist. I'm ofc referring to dark matter and dark energy. That would be pretty exciting though if dark matter where proven to exist though. Do you have an article proving the existence of dark matter?
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Xenomancers wrote: I like this field because it doesn't invent particles or invisible (dark matter/dark energy) energies to make it's theories work - none of that is required, all that is required is to question everything that you've taken as fact for so long.
So you like this theory because it doesn't have to propose any new things, but you admit that it has no explanation for where this mysterious electricity comes from? I really don't see how "electricity from outside the universe" is a better explanation than "dark matter".
Peregrine nailed it in one. You essentially substituted the unknown entity of Dark Matter/Energy where the effect can be measurably seen with a known entity of electricity doing unknown things that have not been measure elsewhere. Interesting.
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Xenomancers wrote: I like this field because it doesn't invent particles or invisible (dark matter/dark energy) energies to make it's theories work - none of that is required, all that is required is to question everything that you've taken as fact for so long.
So you like this theory because it doesn't have to propose any new things, but you admit that it has no explanation for where this mysterious electricity comes from? I really don't see how "electricity from outside the universe" is a better explanation than "dark matter".
Peregrine nailed it in one. You essentially substituted the unknown entity of Dark Matter/Energy where the effect can be measurably seen with a known entity of electricity doing unknown things that have not been measure elsewhere. Interesting.
electricity = real
dark matter = ?
Except plasma cosmologist have already proven in the lab and with computer simulations that merging formations of plasma can develop in a spiral disk just like a spiral galaxy (this is the primary method BB uses to postulate dark matter.) This is without imaginary particles though...Why invent imaginary particles when none are needed?
http://www.plasma-universe.com/Galaxy_formation Check it.
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If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder
This whole thing sounds like someone blatantly misusing Occam's Razor while dismissing that there is evidence for the existence of Dark Matter. Direct evidence is not the only kind of evidence and the entire point of Dark Matter is "matter of the universe we cannot see but that all other evidence heavily suggests is there" (which is a far cry from 'made up').
Anyone else first thought about Earth Wind & Fire before they opened the thread.
Not that I expected it would be about the album.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Orlanth wrote: Anyone else first thought about Earth Wind & Fire before they opened the thread.
Not that I expected it would be about the album.
Haha, I thought about that when I made the title.
If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
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Xenomancers wrote: I like this field because it doesn't invent particles or invisible (dark matter/dark energy) energies to make it's theories work - none of that is required, all that is required is to question everything that you've taken as fact for so long.
So you like this theory because it doesn't have to propose any new things, but you admit that it has no explanation for where this mysterious electricity comes from? I really don't see how "electricity from outside the universe" is a better explanation than "dark matter".
Peregrine nailed it in one. You essentially substituted the unknown entity of Dark Matter/Energy where the effect can be measurably seen with a known entity of electricity doing unknown things that have not been measure elsewhere. Interesting.
electricity = real
dark matter = ?
Except plasma cosmologist have already proven in the lab and with computer simulations that merging formations of plasma can develop in a spiral disk just like a spiral galaxy (this is the primary method BB uses to postulate dark matter.) This is without imaginary particles though...Why invent imaginary particles when none are needed?
http://www.plasma-universe.com/Galaxy_formation Check it.
Electricity is real but, as Peregrine said, there is no actual evidence of plasma binding the Universe together. In addition, the fact that plasma can make such a formation doesn't really prove what Plasma Cosmology postulates. It's interesting, sure, but not really evidence.
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LordofHats wrote: This whole thing sounds like someone blatantly misusing Occam's Razor while dismissing that there is evidence for the existence of Dark Matter. Direct evidence is not the only kind of evidence and the entire point of Dark Matter is "matter of the universe we cannot see but that all other evidence heavily suggests is there" (which is a far cry from 'made up').
The evidence that suggests dark matter could exist amounts to - "There is something unexpected happening that doesn't agree with our understanding of gravity."
This isn't evidence.
Xenomancers wrote: I like this field because it doesn't invent particles or invisible (dark matter/dark energy) energies to make it's theories work - none of that is required, all that is required is to question everything that you've taken as fact for so long.
So you like this theory because it doesn't have to propose any new things, but you admit that it has no explanation for where this mysterious electricity comes from? I really don't see how "electricity from outside the universe" is a better explanation than "dark matter".
Peregrine nailed it in one. You essentially substituted the unknown entity of Dark Matter/Energy where the effect can be measurably seen with a known entity of electricity doing unknown things that have not been measure elsewhere. Interesting.
electricity = real
dark matter = ?
Except plasma cosmologist have already proven in the lab and with computer simulations that merging formations of plasma can develop in a spiral disk just like a spiral galaxy (this is the primary method BB uses to postulate dark matter.) This is without imaginary particles though...Why invent imaginary particles when none are needed?
http://www.plasma-universe.com/Galaxy_formation Check it.
Electricity is real but, as Peregrine said, there is no actual evidence of plasma binding the Universe together. In addition, the fact that plasma can make such a formation doesn't really prove what Plasma Cosmology postulates. It's interesting, sure, but not really evidence.
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Dreadwinter wrote: You mean imaginary particles that science has proven time and time again do exist?
I'm not referring to higgs or neutrinos - these have been proven to exist. I'm ofc referring to dark matter and dark energy. That would be pretty exciting though if dark matter where proven to exist though. Do you have an article proving the existence of dark matter?
You know that at one point those were all just theories. They were thought to exist thanks to the math behind the theories supporting them. Then, scientists performed experiments in order to prove they exist. Turns out they do. Now, the math supports dark matter existing.
What has "The Electric Universe" theory done?
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Orlanth wrote: Anyone else first thought about Earth Wind & Fire before they opened the thread.
Not that I expected it would be about the album.
As a general rule, I try to refrain from thinking about Earth, Wind, and Fire.
Tough, time for 80's awesomeness
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
I think we shouldn't be too hard on people who have this kind of Devotion. You might think it a Fantasy, but they have their Reasons. Is it so hard to Keep Your Head to the Sky and imagine these plasma structures like Serpentine Fire across the cosmos connecting every Shining Star? Maybe That's the Way of the World after all. You have to open your mind Every Now and Then.
And even if it's all untrue, maybe these folks just want to escape the cold, rational world and Getaway to a Boogie Wonderland that they've created in their imaginations. If it keeps them from Feelin' Blue, I can't really fault them. Take away the emotion and feeling, and the universe can seem like a harsh place After the Love is Gone.
gorgon wrote: I think we shouldn't be too hard on people who have this kind of Devotion. You might think it a Fantasy, but they have their Reasons. Is it so hard to Keep Your Head to the Sky and imagine these plasma structures like Serpentine Fire across the cosmos connecting every Shining Star? Maybe That's the Way of the World after all. You have to open your mind Every Now and Then.
And even if it's all untrue, maybe these folks just want to escape the cold, rational world and Getaway to a Boogie Wonderland that they've created in their imaginations. If it keeps them from Feelin' Blue, I can't really fault them. Take away the emotion and feeling, and the universe can seem like a harsh place After the Love is Gone.
gorgon wrote: I think we shouldn't be too hard on people who have this kind of Devotion. You might think it a Fantasy, but they have their Reasons. Is it so hard to Keep Your Head to the Sky and imagine these plasma structures like Serpentine Fire across the cosmos connecting every Shining Star? Maybe That's the Way of the World after all. You have to open your mind Every Now and Then.
And even if it's all untrue, maybe these folks just want to escape the cold, rational world and Getaway to a Boogie Wonderland that they've created in their imaginations. If it keeps them from Feelin' Blue, I can't really fault them. Take away the emotion and feeling, and the universe can seem like a harsh place After the Love is Gone.
Devotion? I really don't subscribe to any particular theory. I'm searching for answers and being very open minded. Subscribers to the BB theory are anything but open-minded - they seem pretty certain about the origins of the universe. The evolution of the BB theory is well documented along with all of its supporters failed predictions and endless additions of inconsistent parameters. Right now it has so little going for it I find it mind boggling that genius level intelligence still pursue it (observe the article siting the "30" greatest issues of the big bang above^)- then again, it's really not hard to understand when you break it down. In the scientific world you ether support the big bang theory or you are labeled a nut, lose your funding, lose your tenure, lose your job. Also, a little imagination couldn't hurt ya know? My hope was just to show your eager minds some other ideas.
If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder
There's being open-minded, and there's being so open-minded that your brain falls out. This is in the second category.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Oh yay, this old chestnut. It's bunkum. Nonsense. Cobblers. Tripe. Hogwash. Claptrap. Hooey. Banana-gargling absurdity. It makes predictions that are demonstrably false, it fails to explain or predict things that have been demonstrably observed, and its primary advocates are alien-visitation believers, moon landing hoaxers, and engineers that wouldn't know a radio telescope from a toaster but believe because "hey I can do math too ya know" they know better than actual experts in the field and the uncountable observations and experiments that underpin the Standard Model. It's the same kind of junk-science pseudo-thinking that's behind climate change denialism and anti-vaxxers, and the only reason it's not as big an issue as those two clusterhumps is that nobody with any influence buys into it.
Electric Universe "Theory" is the Flat Earth "Theory" of cosmology.
Are you really comparing plasma cosmology to climate denialism? Your entire argument is Ad hominem and false equivalency. Why are you so upset? Have an open mind dude.
"My" entire argument is rigorously laid out and evidenced in the handily provided link in that post, and the fact you evidently failed to read that link and digest the pretty clear rationale contained therein says something about who's mind is open and who's is closed, given that I've evidently taken enough time to grasp both the proposition and the rebuttal. I trained as a physicist, I'm perfectly well aware of the limitations of the Standard Model, and the reason why I compare Electric Universe to climate change denialism and anti-vaxxers is the "believers" have exactly the same pathology; "mainstream" science has it wrong, look at this wildly implausible alternative! Oh you have evidence refuting key points, effectively undermining the entire construct? Pfff, you just need to open your mind, maaan, stop being such a slave to conventional thinking. Ugh, stop with all this "evidence" stuff! Don't you know Big Physics is in the pockets of the...erm...Dark Matter Industry!? You can't trust scientists! etc etc.
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gorgon wrote: I think we shouldn't be too hard on people who have this kind of Devotion. You might think it a Fantasy, but they have their Reasons. Is it so hard to Keep Your Head to the Sky and imagine these plasma structures like Serpentine Fire across the cosmos connecting every Shining Star? Maybe That's the Way of the World after all. You have to open your mind Every Now and Then.
And even if it's all untrue, maybe these folks just want to escape the cold, rational world and Getaway to a Boogie Wonderland that they've created in their imaginations. If it keeps them from Feelin' Blue, I can't really fault them. Take away the emotion and feeling, and the universe can seem like a harsh place After the Love is Gone.
Devotion? I really don't subscribe to any particular theory. I'm searching for answers and being very open minded. Subscribers to the BB theory are anything but open-minded - they seem pretty certain about the origins of the universe. The evolution of the BB theory is well documented along with all of its supporters failed predictions and endless additions of inconsistent parameters. Right now it has so little going for it I find it mind boggling that genius level intelligence still pursue it (observe the article siting the "30" greatest issues of the big bang above^)- then again, it's really not hard to understand when you break it down. In the scientific world you ether support the big bang theory or you are labeled a nut, lose your funding, lose your tenure, lose your job. Also, a little imagination couldn't hurt ya know? My hope was just to show your eager minds some other ideas.
I don't recommend you read anything into that post except the words in italics, and then not even their meaning as you understand them.
It was a nice reply gorgon made and you missed it. No shame on that, just do a search and all will be clear.
Dont worrit over the Reasons, After all our reasons why all the reasons were a lie.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
The Empire 
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