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So does the Technomancer rule stack with multiple Crypteks?
It is a modification to the roll not the requirement to pass, so you don't pass on a 4+ instead of a 5+, your roll of 4 gets +1 and becomes a 5.


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I'm just a bit worried that 4 Crypteks make a unit unkillable

According to 1d4chan the unit gets 1+ to the required roll so a 4+.

 IXLoiero95XI wrote:
So does the Technomancer rule stack with multiple Crypteks?
It is a modification to the roll not the requirement to pass, so you don't pass on a 4+ instead of a 5+, your roll of 4 gets +1 and becomes a 5.


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I'm just a bit worried that 4 Crypteks make a unit unkillable

Reanimation Protocols can never be improved to be better than 4+.

ref pg. 112, 7th ed Necron codex

I know that it cannot be improved to better than a 4+ But the Crypteks rule does not improve reanimation protocols just the dice result. Look a Modifying Dice Rolls in the BRB.

 IXLoiero95XI wrote:
I know that it cannot be improved to better than a 4+ But the Crypteks rule does not improve reanimation protocols just the dice result. Look a Modifying Dice Rolls in the BRB.

That doesn't matter if the result can never be better than a 4. RP makes reference to cumulative modifiers to the dice result and immediately follows that it cannot be improved to be better than 4+.

From RP:

"Certain special rules and wargear items can provide modifiers to this dice roll; these are cumulative, but the required dice roll can never be improved to be better than 4+."

Does Technomancer provide a modifier to the dice roll?

Ok , I haven't seen the RP rule so I was unsure


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 Happyjew wrote:
From RP:

"Certain special rules and wargear items can provide modifiers to this dice roll; these are cumulative, but the required dice roll can never be improved to be better than 4+."

Does Technomancer provide a modifier to the dice roll?

Yes it does.

"...+1 bonus to Reanimation Protocol rolls."

There is literally a RP discussion which covers this on the first page.... The.... First..... Page.......

To bad Crypteks don't affect the Reanimation Protocol at all, they affect the roll.

This is the same reason Nightmare Doll and the Cronos Pain engine work together.

One modifies the save.

One Modifies the roll.

100% Rules as Written Crpyteks add 1 to the roll.

So if you have a Cryptek in the Decurion Detachment attached to a unit that unit would have a 4+ but when it went to roll if it rolled a three that would be a 4+ and the roll would pass.

Hollismason wrote:
To bad Crypteks don't affect the Reanimation Protocol at all, they affect the roll.

This is the same reason Nightmare Doll and the Cronos Pain engine work together.

One modifies the save.

One Modifies the roll.

100% Rules as Written Crpyteks add 1 to the roll.

So if you have a Cryptek in the Decurion Detachment attached to a unit that unit would have a 4+ but when it went to roll if it rolled a three that would be a 4+ and the roll would pass.

See that's what I was thinking, but what about stacking? If you have 4 Crypteks in unbound they give +4 to the roll making a roll of 1 a 5 and therefore a pass

Again this is all covered in the RP discussion.

 IXLoiero95XI wrote:
See that's what I was thinking, but what about stacking? If you have 4 Crypteks in unbound they give +4 to the roll making a roll of 1 a 5 and therefore a pass

Still doesn't work, though. Unless specifically stated, a model cannot gain the benefit of a special rule more than once. Since Technomancer does not specify otherwise, a model can only get +1 regardless of how many Technomancers are in th unit.

 Happyjew wrote:

 IXLoiero95XI wrote:
See that's what I was thinking, but what about stacking? If you have 4 Crypteks in unbound they give +4 to the roll making a roll of 1 a 5 and therefore a pass

Still doesn't work, though. Unless specifically stated, a model cannot gain the benefit of a special rule more than once. Since Technomancer does not specify otherwise, a model can only get +1 regardless of how many Technomancers are in th unit.

True, but don't forget the named Cryptek with a similar rule. It has a different name, so it would stack with Technomancer.

Hollismason wrote:

100% Rules as Written Crpyteks add 1 to the roll.

Tell me where it says you get a bonus to the dice value. It only says that there is some kind of "bonus". The term "Bonus" itselfe is afaik not connected to any rule. Thus you have to determin on which way this kind of bonus is applayed which is to the required number, not to the virtual dice value (see this post for further arguments: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/633728.page#7570172)

theProgramm wrote:

Hollismason wrote:

100% Rules as Written Crpyteks add 1 to the roll.

Tell me where it says you get a bonus to the dice value. It only says that there is some kind of "bonus". The term "Bonus" itselfe is afaik not connected to any rule. Thus you have to determin on which way this kind of bonus is applayed which is to the required number, not to the virtual dice value (see this post for further arguments: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/633728.page#7570172)

In the Technomancer rule itself. Technomancer gives a ""...+1 bonus to Reanimation Protocol rolls." What Technomancer DOESN'T do is reduce the required RP dice roll by one. I think everyone knows what GW MEANT to do, but sloppy rules writing has given us this situation.

I have RP (5+). I have a Cryptek present. The Cryptek DOES NOT change my RP (5+) to an RP (4+). I still have RP (5+). The required dice roll is still 5+. What the Cryptek does is add +1 everytime I roll a die for an RP roll. If I roll a 4, the Cryptek adds +1 to it and I'm able to satisfy the 5+ requirement.

GW wrote the 4+ restriction wording poorly. It should have said something like "Reanimation Protocols can never be passed with anything less than an unmodified 4+".

As i sait: "...+1 bonus to Reanimation Protocol rolls." Referes to something they call "bonus" and that is not a rule saying you have to modify your rolled dice value - it in fact is never specified. So you have to look at the "surrounding" rules on how to use this bonus - which leads to my conclusion. Show me why "Bonus" means "add +1 to the value of the dice youve just rolled" and you are right.

theProgramm wrote:
As i sait: "...+1 bonus to Reanimation Protocol rolls." Referes to something they call "bonus" and that is not a rule saying you have to modify your rolled dice value - it in fact is never specified. So you have to look at the "surrounding" rules on how to use this bonus - which leads to my conclusion. Show me why "Bonus" means "add +1 to the value of the dice youve just rolled" and you are right.

Agree to disagree. At best we can both say this is ambiguous and that we have different interpretations of what "+1 bonus" means. I interpret it as add one to the current dice roll. You (forgive me if I'm putting words in your mouth) interpret it as subtract one from the required dice roll.

The reason I interpret it as I do is because the bonus applies to "Reanimation Protocol rolls", which is plural. It must apply to the actual dice you are rolling and not to the "target", i.e. the 5+ requirement. So, I roll a 3. Apply the +1 bonus to that roll of a 3. What is the result? In my mind, it has to be a 4.

 IXLoiero95XI wrote:
I know that it cannot be improved to better than a 4+ But the Crypteks rule does not improve reanimation protocols just the dice result. Look a Modifying Dice Rolls in the BRB.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/633728.page
We already have a discussion on that.

Technically: Yes.
But the RAI is so clear that you will probably, and rightfully, get banned from your FLGS if you are trying to push it.
Don't, just don't try to actually argue this anywhere outside a RAW-talk.

A Mod should probably close this, since it is a redundant thread. This is a nice summary though, I might bookmark it to refer others too as soon as they ask the question again.