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This is a followup to a previous thread that I made. Now that I know which Loyalists everybody likes the most, I'd like you to say which Traitor Legions you like the most, and why.

My personal favorite is definitely Alpha Legion, because that's only what they want you to think!

Dark Angels...

just kidding
Thousand Sons for me, but its really just Ahriman.

Alpha Legion probably. I love their way of war, and I really like how they look haha. I also really like the Word Bearers, Iron Warriors and Night Lords.

Alpha Legion, for obvious reasons. Word Bearers and Iron Warriors tie for second place, though.

World Eaters, without a doubt. One of the only traitor legions that had a justified reason for turning

 Orblivion wrote:
Dark Angels...

just kidding
Thousand Sons for me, but its really just Ahriman.

You and I are friends now.

 sierra 1247 wrote:
World Eaters, without a doubt. One of the only traitor legions that had a justified reason for turning

And I suppose the Thousand Sons turning due to being massacred and losing their home world for no reason wasn't justified?

LOL loving the love towards Emperors children...


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 dusara217 wrote:

 sierra 1247 wrote:
World Eaters, without a doubt. One of the only traitor legions that had a justified reason for turning

And I suppose the Thousand Sons turning due to being massacred and losing their home world for no reason wasn't justified?

I feel Alpha legion had a reason but they kinda went off the deep end with there egos But the whole Cabal deal made sense...

Thousand Sons without a shadow of a doubt are my favourite, although everyone knows they aren't really traitors!

Proper traitors it would have to be World Eaters, gotta love Kharn.

No, thousand sons are justified, but then that was mostly due to Horus altering the orders to the Wolves and they were pretty much forced to, I'm meaning out of those who chose to turn. The World Eaters were really screwed over because their Primarch was the only one to fail to rule his Homeworld, had the butchers nails implemented in every legionaries skull so that by the end of the great Crusade most were nigh on insane.

I think they all were somewhat justified.

I knew 1kSons would rule but, Really, Iron Warriors are that low?

 ImAGeek wrote:
I think they all were somewhat justified.

The Emperor's Children had no reason whatsoever to rebel except "lol, daemon made me do it, lawlzeez"

Thousand Sons. Obviously the best choice.

 dusara217 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I think they all were somewhat justified.

The Emperor's Children had no reason whatsoever to rebel except "lol, daemon made me do it, lawlzeez"

Oh yeah. Okay everyone except the Emperors Children were somewhat justified, but I can see how that happened. But I don't like them anyway, traitor or not. Bunch of pompous vain asses. Except a few like Saul Tarvitz.

Night Lords.
Because they're crazy, and I like to stick my so and so in crazy

Well, the poll is flawed because everyone knows that the Alpha Legion are the most loyal of all the Legions...

 Alpharius wrote:
Well, the poll is flawed because everyone knows that the Alpha Legion are the most loyal of all the Legions...

You could vote for them here instead then: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/635531.page

Night Lords. The absolute best at what they did pre-HH, and still doing it today. One of the Legions that had good cause to turn I think.

Death Guard. Great turning story and Typhus is the coolest.

III Legion for me.

Perfection is only possible in the presence of flaws.

A lot of people look for a specific series of events to explain the traitor legions' rebellion. But the problem was deeper, in the very character of their Primarchs.

See here for more.

I think I'd like the III legion a lot more if Fulgrim was written better. Had it been a tragic fall from grace for Fulgrim, but no, he started off as a dick and just got worse.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I think I'd like the III legion a lot more if Fulgrim was written better. Had it been a tragic fall from grace for Fulgrim, but no, he started off as a dick and just got worse.

Its more tragic if you're an Iron Hands fan. He and Ferrus were total broyays and then it all goes downhill =(

Even that was written poorly though. But I meant Fulgrims fall specifically, not the ramifications of that. If he'd been more likeable to start with, his fall would've been the tragic story it was probably meant to be.

As with most of the primarchs, Fulgrim's life before the Emperor found him is a symbol of his character. His adoptive world Chemos was a spent husk whose people could afford no pursuit beyond subsistence. Out of these bitter ashes, Fulgrim built a thriving culture. They say each of his sons represents an aspect of the Emperor: the Phoenician is the essence of his father's will to not merely rule but also to lead mankind. Even before it was perverted by the Ecclesiarchy, the Imperial Truth held up the idealized human form and mind as perfect or at least perfectable, for which proposition the Emperor's own person stood as proof. Humanity's right to the galaxy is writ in the Emperor's DNA. Fulgrim epitomized the notion that man can do more than conquer the stars -- he can also civilize them.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Even that was written poorly though. But I meant Fulgrims fall specifically, not the ramifications of that. If he'd been more likeable to start with, his fall would've been the tragic story it was probably meant to be.

I guess its because I don't know much about Fulgrim except when he enters Ferrus's life and then the impact it has on Ferrus and thus its tragic to me. If I knew his story more from his perspective and actually read more about him I'm sure I'd probably share the same viewpoint you do.

To me its "Brother! You're an donkey-cave, I can make a better weapon than you!" and then they race for 30 days to craft weapons, end the contest, both look at each other with "Holy gak what you made was amazing!", swap weapons, then become bros for life carving out the universe in their daddy's name.

Fulgrim finds a demon blade, becomes all emo and rebellious, tries to talk Ferrus into joining him, Ferrus tells him that he's a moron but still his brother. Fast forward to dropsite massacre and Ferrus is forced to fight Fulgrim, Fulgrim refuses to kill Ferrus and the daemonblade does it for him, beheading him and Fulgrim's fall completes as he opens himself to the daemon in the blade due to his upset at slaying his own brother.

Much sad.

 dusara217 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I think they all were somewhat justified.

The Emperor's Children had no reason whatsoever to rebel except "lol, daemon made me do it, lawlzeez"

That's kinda what I like about the Emperor's Children though. Everyone else has some kind of daddy issues and sob backstory that lead to them snapping. The EC are just a bunch of holes. Although yeah, Fulgrim's fall was poorly handled. It would've been a lot better if they'd given him more of a good side, and when he kills Ferrus, he sees not only what he's become, but that he's raised up a legion of sons who are mostly megalomaniac sociopaths due to his own obsession with 'perfection'. I mean the guy was buddies with CURZE for a while. He's got to have SOME hidden depths. That guys like Lucius and Bile are just holes though is part of their charm.

Also, so little love for the Word Bearers? They were the REAL masterminds behind the HH, after all. I guess people like their villains more tragic and conflicted. I like 'em cause I'm a fan of all things daemonic, and because they sucker-punched the Ultras during the HH. Actually, they played EVERYONE for fools during the HH.

 fallinq wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I think they all were somewhat justified.

The Emperor's Children had no reason whatsoever to rebel except "lol, daemon made me do it, lawlzeez"

That's kinda what I like about the Emperor's Children though. Everyone else has some kind of daddy issues and sob backstory that lead to them snapping. The EC are just a bunch of holes. Although yeah, Fulgrim's fall was poorly handled. It would've been a lot better if they'd given him more of a good side, and when he kills Ferrus, he sees not only what he's become, but that he's raised up a legion of sons who are mostly megalomaniac sociopaths due to his own obsession with 'perfection'. I mean the guy was buddies with CURZE for a while. He's got to have SOME hidden depths. That guys like Lucius and Bile are just holes though is part of their charm.

Also, so little love for the Word Bearers? They were the REAL masterminds behind the HH, after all. I guess people like their villains more tragic and conflicted. I like 'em cause I'm a fan of all things daemonic, and because they sucker-punched the Ultras during the HH. Actually, they played EVERYONE for fools during the HH.

I agree. Fulgrim just made me grind my teeth. EC are prissy, the book was barely enjoyable. Fulgrim's fall didn't come off convincing for some reason. It just didn't come together for me. I can't put my finger on why. Maybe if Graham McNeill spent more time fleshing out his characters and less time describing every setting down to the last rivet... yeah, sorry Graham, it's your fault.

My favorite traitor legion? Death to the traitor, I say. But Death Guard had a substantial number of loyalists, and their battle doctrine is impressively catastrophic (for the enemy), so I choose them. But I like that so many people are choosing Alpha Legion.

Iron Warriors for me. Spamming artillery, smashing fortresses, trench-fighting, and siege tactics are my favourites (followed closely by the terror-tactics of the VIII)

 skarnalaxwarlord wrote:
Iron Warriors for me. Spamming artillery, smashing fortresses, trench-fighting, and siege tactics are my favourites (followed closely by the terror-tactics of the VIII)

Ah, yes, the good ole days of World War 1 <3