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This thread series has just been me establishing the Dakka community's favorites regarding First Founding Legions/Chapters. First Loyalist, then Traitor, now in general. Essentially, choose your favorite Crusade-era Legion and explain why
Mine is Blood Angels, though my preference for Blood Angels is slipping :( Hopefully I can find a new one on this thread.
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Tactical_Spam wrote: There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
Salamanders, for me. I like the Iron Hands and the Raven Guard as well, those three legions and Primarchs are sort of like my own personal ensemble darkhorse. But the Sallies will always win my heart for their unwavering devotion to the filthy mass of humanity over all other considerations. They were also my first army on the tabletop back in high school, and I still play in their style even though I don't use their heraldry or Chapter Tactics anymore.
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It's a hard choice to make because I really like all of the chapters. I used to dislike the Ultramarines for hogging all the "screentime" but then I learned to appreciate them for what they were - by the book, no mistakes, highly professional soldiers with a Greco-Roman flavor. I can't think of a single legion that is "boring," in all honesty.
The closest to it is the White Scars, and honestly, that's only because I've yet to read the bulk of their fluff. I'm sure I'll have a deeper appreciation for them once I do.
Crusade-era I also like the Emperor's Children, Alpha Legion, and Luna Wolves (though I prefer the Sons of Horus colour scheme). I'd like the Iron Warriors more if I didn't find their Primarch so annoying.
Actually, I like them all but it seems like I have a preference for traitor legions pre-Heresy era. My least favorite are probably White Scars and Salamanders.
And the Angels of Darkness descended on pinions of fire and light... the great and terrible dark angels.
He was not the golden lord. The Emperor will carry us to the stars, but never beyond them. My dreams will be lies, if a golden lord does not rise.
I look to the stars now, with the old scrolls burning runes across my memory. And I see my own hands as I write these words. Erebus and Kor Phaeron speak the truth.
I have to say Salamanders. But reading more into 30k I really like the Word Bearers. I feel they were doing something kind of innocent(maybe not that innocent) and then were punished for it, and it makes you pity them
Great White wrote: I have to say Salamanders. But reading more into 30k I really like the Word Bearers. I feel they were doing something kind of innocent(maybe not that innocent) and then were punished for it, and it makes you pity them
That's really interesting, because after reading HH novels involving the WB I disliked them even more. All the things they witnessed and carried out and very few thought, hang on a second this is pretty ****ed up. I did like the portrayal of Arghel Tal in First Heretic though, however even he had his doubts and seemed to follow Lorgar out of blind faith.
Back to the topic it would probably be either Raven Guard, Ultramarines or Imperial Fists, but the decision is extremely hard!
Great White wrote: I have to say Salamanders. But reading more into 30k I really like the Word Bearers. I feel they were doing something kind of innocent(maybe not that innocent) and then were punished for it, and it makes you pity them
That's really interesting, because after reading HH novels involving the WB I disliked them even more. All the things they witnessed and carried out and very few thought, hang on a second this is pretty ****ed up. I did like the portrayal of Arghel Tal in First Heretic though, however even he had his doubts and seemed to follow Lorgar out of blind faith.
Back to the topic it would probably be either Raven Guard, Ultramarines or Imperial Fists, but the decision is extremely hard!
Argal Tal is my favourite character I think. I really like the Word Bearers actually. They basically got punished for worshipping a god because 'there are no gods' and then found out that they had been lied too and that gods do exist. But it turns out the gods are evil. But it's still better to worship evil gods, and be on the winning side (especially as they seem genetically predisposed to zealotry) than worship no gods. That's why I like Argal Tal because he hates himself for the truth they uncovered but at the end of the day, it is the truth. He wishes they'd never discovered Chaos, but they did, and it's their duty to spread the truth. I can see why people don't like them and I don't normally go for the whole religious thing, but I like them because they basically found themselves justified, but in the most twisted way, and it's quite a nice moral dilemma they have briefly before Lorgar throws himself straight into Chaos.
Great White wrote: I have to say Salamanders. But reading more into 30k I really like the Word Bearers. I feel they were doing something kind of innocent(maybe not that innocent) and then were punished for it, and it makes you pity them
That's really interesting, because after reading HH novels involving the WB I disliked them even more. All the things they witnessed and carried out and very few thought, hang on a second this is pretty ****ed up. I did like the portrayal of Arghel Tal in First Heretic though, however even he had his doubts and seemed to follow Lorgar out of blind faith.
Back to the topic it would probably be either Raven Guard, Ultramarines or Imperial Fists, but the decision is extremely hard!
Argal Tal is my favourite character I think. I really like the Word Bearers actually. They basically got punished for worshipping a god because 'there are no gods' and then found out that they had been lied too and that gods do exist. But it turns out the gods are evil. But it's still better to worship evil gods, and be on the winning side (especially as they seem genetically predisposed to zealotry) than worship no gods. That's why I like Argal Tal because he hates himself for the truth they uncovered but at the end of the day, it is the truth. He wishes they'd never discovered Chaos, but they did, and it's their duty to spread the truth. I can see why people don't like them and I don't normally go for the whole religious thing, but I like them because they basically found themselves justified, but in the most twisted way, and it's quite a nice moral dilemma they have briefly before Lorgar throws himself straight into Chaos.
That's a cool way of understanding it, I never thought about it like that! Always good to hear other interpretations. I do feel that Erebus and Kor Phaeron tricked/manipulated Lorgar, because even at the drop site massacre Lorgar still wonders what the hell he is doing as the carnage unfolds. Their fall is definitely interesting, I also am interested in the Death Guard/Mortartion, they seem to be increasingly unwilling traitors and realise what they are have got themselves into when it's far too late. One of my favourite moments of the series is in Scars when
Spoiler:
jaghatai Khan realises that Mortartion is looking for normal allies to have as all the other traitors are completely nuts and tells him that he has to eat the bitter fruit as a consequence of betraying the imperium.
Great White wrote: I have to say Salamanders. But reading more into 30k I really like the Word Bearers. I feel they were doing something kind of innocent(maybe not that innocent) and then were punished for it, and it makes you pity them
That's really interesting, because after reading HH novels involving the WB I disliked them even more. All the things they witnessed and carried out and very few thought, hang on a second this is pretty ****ed up. I did like the portrayal of Arghel Tal in First Heretic though, however even he had his doubts and seemed to follow Lorgar out of blind faith.
Back to the topic it would probably be either Raven Guard, Ultramarines or Imperial Fists, but the decision is extremely hard!
Argal Tal is my favourite character I think. I really like the Word Bearers actually. They basically got punished for worshipping a god because 'there are no gods' and then found out that they had been lied too and that gods do exist. But it turns out the gods are evil. But it's still better to worship evil gods, and be on the winning side (especially as they seem genetically predisposed to zealotry) than worship no gods. That's why I like Argal Tal because he hates himself for the truth they uncovered but at the end of the day, it is the truth. He wishes they'd never discovered Chaos, but they did, and it's their duty to spread the truth. I can see why people don't like them and I don't normally go for the whole religious thing, but I like them because they basically found themselves justified, but in the most twisted way, and it's quite a nice moral dilemma they have briefly before Lorgar throws himself straight into Chaos.
I mean that's what I like. They were one of the few legions who had an actual reason to turn to chaos. Lorgar was in my opinion the most faithful son to the emperor, but his puss poor people skills and lackluster dad skills turned his son against him.
I chose the thousand sons. Mainly because they are the most interesting and in some ways most tragic IMO. They were cursed from the beginning, and when their Primarch "fixed" the problem he made the classic Faustian bargain with tzeench. I honestly think, apart from Angron, that the emperor screwed over Magnus the hardest. The leading theory on his purpose would be to sit the golden throne for the rest of eternity. that is a great future to look forward to. I think the psyker mastery thing as well as the egtyptian/aztec theme really go well, and i think Arhiman is one of the most interesting characters in the fluff.
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GKTiberius wrote: I chose the thousand sons. Mainly because they are the most interesting and in some ways most tragic IMO. They were cursed from the beginning, and when their Primarch "fixed" the problem he made the classic Faustian bargain with tzeench. I honestly think, apart from Angron, that the emperor screwed over Magnus the hardest. The leading theory on his purpose would be to sit the golden throne for the rest of eternity. that is a great future to look forward to. I think the psyker mastery thing as well as the egtyptian/aztec theme really go well, and i think Arhiman is one of the most interesting characters in the fluff.
Can you elaborate? I know the SW went to attack the 1k Sons, but thats all I know.
Second most successful legion, even though their primarch was the 11th one found, the first legion, the Lion is a badass that grew up as a kid killing daemons in the wild and never turned traitor despite his proximity to growing up next to the eye, plus he laid the edgelord Kurze out in 1v1, and didn't have massive daddy issues.
GKTiberius wrote: I chose the thousand sons. Mainly because they are the most interesting and in some ways most tragic IMO. They were cursed from the beginning, and when their Primarch "fixed" the problem he made the classic Faustian bargain with tzeench. I honestly think, apart from Angron, that the emperor screwed over Magnus the hardest. The leading theory on his purpose would be to sit the golden throne for the rest of eternity. that is a great future to look forward to. I think the psyker mastery thing as well as the egtyptian/aztec theme really go well, and i think Arhiman is one of the most interesting characters in the fluff.
Can you elaborate? I know the SW went to attack the 1k Sons, but thats all I know.
Look up the Edict of Nikaea, as well as a synopsis of a Thousand sons
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Tactical_Spam wrote: There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
GKTiberius wrote: I chose the thousand sons. Mainly because they are the most interesting and in some ways most tragic IMO. They were cursed from the beginning, and when their Primarch "fixed" the problem he made the classic Faustian bargain with tzeench. I honestly think, apart from Angron, that the emperor screwed over Magnus the hardest. The leading theory on his purpose would be to sit the golden throne for the rest of eternity. that is a great future to look forward to. I think the psyker mastery thing as well as the egtyptian/aztec theme really go well, and i think Arhiman is one of the most interesting characters in the fluff.
Can you elaborate? I know the SW went to attack the 1k Sons, but thats all I know.
Look up the Edict of Nikaea, as well as a synopsis of a Thousand sons
That helps. No, I know about the edict of Nikaea, butbhow did the Emperor screw over Magnus?
GKTiberius wrote: I chose the thousand sons. Mainly because they are the most interesting and in some ways most tragic IMO. They were cursed from the beginning, and when their Primarch "fixed" the problem he made the classic Faustian bargain with tzeench. I honestly think, apart from Angron, that the emperor screwed over Magnus the hardest. The leading theory on his purpose would be to sit the golden throne for the rest of eternity. that is a great future to look forward to. I think the psyker mastery thing as well as the egtyptian/aztec theme really go well, and i think Arhiman is one of the most interesting characters in the fluff.
Can you elaborate? I know the SW went to attack the 1k Sons, but thats all I know.
Look up the Edict of Nikaea, as well as a synopsis of a Thousand sons
That helps. No, I know about the edict of Nikaea, butbhow did the Emperor screw over Magnus?
I don't think he did really. People seem to think he did but I don't really see it. Yeah he sent the wolves after them after he wrecked the webway, but he only sent them to censure them. Horus twisted that into a kill order.
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