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 addnid wrote:
Other "real" news IMHO: No blast for night spinners ? (i thought they would get it)

Where are you getting that?

"The updates to Blast weapons really help even out the damage potential of this current all-star unit, making its doomweaver deadlier still."

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 addnid wrote:
Other "real" news IMHO: No blast for night spinners ? (i thought they would get it)

Where are you getting that?

"The updates to Blast weapons really help even out the damage potential of this current all-star unit, making its doomweaver deadlier still."

Doomweaver thing we saw. Isn't it the NS weapon ? OK perhaps I took them not specifying it will be getting the blast rule too far... Sorry. This weapon will be crazy good if it gets it, and i am afraid. And I shall know fear

So sad that they have to push the shining spears....not even a relevant kit. How about these new Banshees? nah, make them crap, shining spears are where it's at!

As to the Doomweaver, it clearly said it benefits from Blast.

 bullyboy wrote:
So sad that they have to push the shining spears....not even a relevant kit. How about these new Banshees? nah, make them crap, shining spears are where it's at!

As to the Doomweaver, it clearly said it benefits from Blast.

Ah ok. I Hope the NS will get a nice big fat point increase then

 addnid wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
So sad that they have to push the shining spears....not even a relevant kit. How about these new Banshees? nah, make them crap, shining spears are where it's at!

As to the Doomweaver, it clearly said it benefits from Blast.

Ah ok. I Hope the NS will get a nice big fat point increase then

I do think the points may be prohibitive to fielding 3 of them, but it still looks like an absolute winner right now.

 bullyboy wrote:
So sad that they have to push the shining spears....not even a relevant kit. How about these new Banshees? nah, make them crap, shining spears are where it's at!

As to the Doomweaver, it clearly said it benefits from Blast.

but don't you know that GW is a cynical business that always pushes the new kits?

That's why these 3rd ed era bike sculpts have been meta since the start of 8th and the brand new plastic howling banshees are hot garbage

 addnid wrote:
Ah ok. I Hope the NS will get a nice big fat point increase then

Well everything's getting a price increase, including the hordes the Night Spinner will slaughter.

tneva82 wrote:

 Asmodai wrote:


No rules for Sisters or Necrons beyond the characters.

Oh well money saved for now.

I cant believe that a book with a necron model on the cover only has one necron datasheet in it.

 p5freak wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Asmodai wrote:


No rules for Sisters or Necrons beyond the characters.

Oh well money saved for now.

I cant believe that a book with a necron model on the cover only has one necron datasheet in it.

Most wouldn't want to buy a book for rules that will be invalidated within a month or so...

 p5freak wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Asmodai wrote:


No rules for Sisters or Necrons beyond the characters.

Oh well money saved for now.

I cant believe that a book with a necron model on the cover only has one necron datasheet in it.

They said it’s because the Necron codex is right around the corner, so putting rules in for them would become instantly redundant. But the fluff seems to be heavily focused around them and their current shenanigans.

That's the last pa book, so now can they please, TELL US SOMETHING ABOUT THE NEW FORGE WORLD BOOKS?

Please?

 Tiberius501 wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Asmodai wrote:


No rules for Sisters or Necrons beyond the characters.

Oh well money saved for now.

I cant believe that a book with a necron model on the cover only has one necron datasheet in it.

They said it’s because the Necron codex is right around the corner, so putting rules in for them would become instantly redundant. But the fluff seems to be heavily focused around them and their current shenanigans.

I'm more concerned whether these Theatres of war will carry over to 9th. I guess I can implement them fairly easily (I use the Maiden World one on my Maiden World table)

 bullyboy wrote:

Spoiler:

 Tiberius501 wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Asmodai wrote:


No rules for Sisters or Necrons beyond the characters.

Oh well money saved for now.

I cant believe that a book with a necron model on the cover only has one necron datasheet in it.

They said it’s because the Necron codex is right around the corner, so putting rules in for them would become instantly redundant. But the fluff seems to be heavily focused around them and their current shenanigans.

I'm more concerned whether these Theatres of war will carry over to 9th. I guess I can implement them fairly easily (I use the Maiden World one on my Maiden World table)

I would imagine that this close to 9th that they're part of the rules from the Psychic Awakening series which will be carried forward.

Seems like the only thing it's good for is people that want the Inquisition stuff and don't have the White Dwarf.

I dunno why people think Nightspinners getting blast is a big buff. With the 2d6 profile, it only benefits against 11+ units (it gets what, something like 0.1 extra shots on average against 6-10?), and 9th seems focused on eliminating those from the game entirely.

A buff against a target that no longer exists in the game and that you probably wouldn't want to shoot anyway doesn't seem like a significant buff. If you can't shoot after falling back even with fly in the new edition, it would actually be a nerf.

yukishiro1 wrote:
I dunno why people think Nightspinners getting blast is a big buff. With the 2d6 profile, it only benefits against 11+ units (it gets what, something like 0.1 extra shots on average against 6-10?), and 9th seems focused on eliminating those from the game entirely.

A buff against a target that no longer exists in the game and that you probably wouldn't want to shoot anyway doesn't seem like a significant buff.

yeah we have still yet to see any reason to actually field a unit large enough to make Blasts function. Where is the carrot rule to this new stick?

 Tiberius501 wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Asmodai wrote:


No rules for Sisters or Necrons beyond the characters.

Oh well money saved for now.

I cant believe that a book with a necron model on the cover only has one necron datasheet in it.

They said it’s because the Necron codex is right around the corner, so putting rules in for them would become instantly redundant. But the fluff seems to be heavily focused around them and their current shenanigans.

Sure, but it also means not getting our table of custom dynasty rules. Lose/Lose.

Also, no custom orders for sisters either???

 bullyboy wrote:
So sad that they have to push the shining spears....not even a relevant kit. How about these new Banshees? nah, make them crap, shining spears are where it's at!
.

I think that's just a matter of sales. They figure people who want banshees already bought the phoenix whatever box. Now they want to push sales of spears, avengers and night spinners.
That's all these articles are, have someone 'impartial' push three units from each range by claiming they're 'awesome' in the new edition.


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changemod wrote:

Sure, but it also means not getting our table of custom dynasty rules. Lose/Lose.?

No reason that can't come in the soon-to-be released codex.
Appreciate the lack of purchasing redundancy.

Everybody else is going to be juggling reprints, trivial differences and things left out of various publications... in some cases they'll be dealing with it for years.
Its win/win.

Yeah, Necrons will have their new codex by the end of August. Just be happy you don't have to shell out $40 for a book that's immediately going to be obsolete.

changemod wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Asmodai wrote:


No rules for Sisters or Necrons beyond the characters.

Oh well money saved for now.

I cant believe that a book with a necron model on the cover only has one necron datasheet in it.

They said it’s because the Necron codex is right around the corner, so putting rules in for them would become instantly redundant. But the fluff seems to be heavily focused around them and their current shenanigans.

Sure, but it also means not getting our table of custom dynasty rules. Lose/Lose.

Also, no custom orders for sisters either???

Custodes didn't get custom Shield-Hosts so there's precedent. Hopefully we all see them in our new Codices.

yukishiro1 wrote:
Yeah, Necrons will have their new codex by the end of August. Just be happy you don't have to shell out $40 for a book that's immediately going to be obsolete.

We’d learn the two custom dynasty pages online without any need to purchase the book, is the real point. That kind of information becomes freely available in short order.

yukishiro1 wrote:
I dunno why people think Nightspinners getting blast is a big buff. With the 2d6 profile, it only benefits against 11+ units (it gets what, something like 0.1 extra shots on average against 6-10?), and 9th seems focused on eliminating those from the game entirely.

A buff against a target that no longer exists in the game and that you probably wouldn't want to shoot anyway doesn't seem like a significant buff. If you can't shoot after falling back even with fly in the new edition, it would actually be a nerf.

One extra shot vs 6-10.

Khahandran wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
I dunno why people think Nightspinners getting blast is a big buff. With the 2d6 profile, it only benefits against 11+ units (it gets what, something like 0.1 extra shots on average against 6-10?), and 9th seems focused on eliminating those from the game entirely.

A buff against a target that no longer exists in the game and that you probably wouldn't want to shoot anyway doesn't seem like a significant buff. If you can't shoot after falling back even with fly in the new edition, it would actually be a nerf.

One extra shot vs 6-10.

Nope, not for a 2d6 weapon, unless they changed the wording of the rule after the initial posting. The rule they posted is 3 shots minimum per weapon, not per dice. So on 2d6 you go from a minimum of 2 to a minimum of 3, but that's the only change. It results in a bonus of essentially nothing.

yukishiro1 wrote:

Khahandran wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
I dunno why people think Nightspinners getting blast is a big buff. With the 2d6 profile, it only benefits against 11+ units (it gets what, something like 0.1 extra shots on average against 6-10?), and 9th seems focused on eliminating those from the game entirely.

A buff against a target that no longer exists in the game and that you probably wouldn't want to shoot anyway doesn't seem like a significant buff. If you can't shoot after falling back even with fly in the new edition, it would actually be a nerf.

One extra shot vs 6-10.

Nope, not for a 2d6 weapon, unless they changed the wording of the rule after the initial posting. The rule they posted is 3 shots minimum per weapon, not per dice. So on 2d6 you go from a minimum of 2 to a minimum of 3, but that's the only change. It results in a bonus of essentially nothing.

Doh you are correct.

What an EPIC conclusion to this 9-part, galaxy-spanning series!

 Sasori wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Definitely a weak book overall, even more so when you realize there is plenty of room for Harlequin or Deathwatch content there. What a really strange decision.

They did confirm that Deathwatch will be one of the first dexes, along with Necrons. That may be why.

That could also indicate that Harlies may be in the same group?

Then again with new codexes not getting all PA it will leave factions in 2 unequal situations. Either some armies have more(those who have PA+new codex vs those with just new codex(necron, sister, harlies) or some armies(those 3) get cheaper because they gotPA's worth of stuff in codex while others won'tget to new codex their PA stuff so have to get PA book for full rules anyway...)


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 Tiberius501 wrote:

They said it’s because the Necron codex is right around the corner, so putting rules in for them would become instantly redundant. But the fluff seems to be heavily focused around them and their current shenanigans.

Except new codexes in future won't make PA book redundant. GW alreayd said all won't go to new codex so you will still need both books if you want full rules.

tneva82 wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Definitely a weak book overall, even more so when you realize there is plenty of room for Harlequin or Deathwatch content there. What a really strange decision.

They did confirm that Deathwatch will be one of the first dexes, along with Necrons. That may be why.

That could also indicate that Harlies may be in the same group?

Then again with new codexes not getting all PA it will leave factions in 2 unequal situations. Either some armies have more(those who have PA+new codex vs those with just new codex(necron, sister, harlies) or some armies(those 3) get cheaper because they gotPA's worth of stuff in codex while others won'tget to new codex their PA stuff so have to get PA book for full rules anyway...)

Yes. I feel like GW isn't really handling this "living edition" stuff too well. They haven't completely figured out how to blend it within their "sell more books" business model.

 addnid wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
So sad that they have to push the shining spears....not even a relevant kit. How about these new Banshees? nah, make them crap, shining spears are where it's at!

As to the Doomweaver, it clearly said it benefits from Blast.

Ah ok. I Hope the NS will get a nice big fat point increase then

The funny thing is, Blast is a complete trap. Especially if it costs more. In my mind it should cost less than a normal weapon. Why? Because you can't shoot to melee.

How many lists in top meta will even use units with 11+ models per unit? Think current meta. So, if once per 6 games you get a few extra hits in, but pay extra points to get those hits, but 6 out of 6 games can't shoot into melee, I would skip blast weapons altogether.

A buff against a target that no longer exists in the game and that you probably wouldn't want to shoot anyway doesn't seem like a significant buff. If you can't shoot after falling back even with fly in the new edition, it would actually be a nerf.

Yukishiro gets it. If NS points went up, and got blast, it just received a gigantic nerf.

 puma713 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Definitely a weak book overall, even more so when you realize there is plenty of room for Harlequin or Deathwatch content there. What a really strange decision.

They did confirm that Deathwatch will be one of the first dexes, along with Necrons. That may be why.

That could also indicate that Harlies may be in the same group?

Then again with new codexes not getting all PA it will leave factions in 2 unequal situations. Either some armies have more(those who have PA+new codex vs those with just new codex(necron, sister, harlies) or some armies(those 3) get cheaper because they gotPA's worth of stuff in codex while others won'tget to new codex their PA stuff so have to get PA book for full rules anyway...)

Yes. I feel like GW isn't really handling this "living edition" stuff too well. They haven't completely figured out how to blend it within their "sell more books" business model.

I think we saw that when they did Vigilus, at the time they didn't even understand how they wanted to expand the game.

Obviously they've improved since then, and the PA books are a good chunk better, but I feel they dropped the ball on what it could have been.

I feel like PA should have been a way to release new units, or at least updated ones, to the entire range for every faction. Heck, if given an opportunity I'd put all the new Necrons stuff into PA, then use those books as a sort of open beta on finalizing any rules that go into the codexes proper.

We already know they're doing something like that with the stratagems, using it as a way to release new kits and then open beta for any jank would have worked well for a 8.5 update going into 9th.

But who knows, maybe that idea was suggested and then shot down at some point.


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 Therion wrote:

 addnid wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
So sad that they have to push the shining spears....not even a relevant kit. How about these new Banshees? nah, make them crap, shining spears are where it's at!

As to the Doomweaver, it clearly said it benefits from Blast.

Ah ok. I Hope the NS will get a nice big fat point increase then

The funny thing is, Blast is a complete trap. Especially if it costs more. In my mind it should cost less than a normal weapon. Why? Because you can't shoot to melee.

How many lists in top meta will even use units with 11+ models per unit? Think current meta. So, if once per 6 games you get a few extra hits in, but pay extra points to get those hits, but 6 out of 6 games can't shoot into melee, I would skip blast weapons altogether.

I disagree, blast weapons may not universally see a points bump, but several of them could do with one now, and making them better against certain units is always a good reason to reevaluate points costs.

Then again I've been saying for a while now that there should be no free wargear and it should all cost points to allow the game to see more granularity than just model cost provides. I know some will argue that the "free" weapons are actually baked into the base model, but I don't buy that we see a real reflection of that when GW is known for dropping points costs on the base model all the time.

I'd rather they split the points costs for all wargear out and make us pay for everything, even the grenades, so we can get some more granularity back into the system and better balance things.

Then again, I'm the same person who also has been saying that I feel they need to spend 9th mainly focused on raising points on anything that is seen too often, and not just slashing points on stuff that is never taken.

With necrons in the starter box of 9th, they should have been in the first PA book, simple as that. Especially if they have planned this since late 2018.

Wasn't there some other time they didn't bother with point adjustments in a FAQ because the codex was coming soon anyway? Chipping away another 3-4 months of crappy game play.

Well, for necrons who arguably have sucked this edition, not only being last out with PA, but also losing out on the PA they do get - because they were last out... Well...

They should put the flood of book releases on hold for 12 months and drop everything at once. That'd be refreshing.