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Do you think that Skitarii will get hate?

I believe (and hope) that they will as they have 30" rifles and can reduce cover saves loads just like Tau can.

So will Skitarii be as hated as Tau or will they generally be accepted because they're human?

I think they are not enougt efficient to be hated. Where are their riptides or broadsides. It is not an ignore cover alone.

What about their precision shot spam, volume of fire and S6 haywire spam?

Of course they will be hated. Every army in 40k gets hated on.

 Jimsolo wrote:
Of course they will be hated. Every army in 40k gets hated on.

I meant vocally like Eldar hate > SM hate for example.

....and Volkites like Radiums.

But they are more vulnerable than Tau with no T4+ or 3+ type infantry and no Supporting Fire type mechanic. Nor are they cheap as IG.

They're very much Glass Hammers like MT or DE. A Heavy Flamer will wipe a bunch of them.

And some of their weapons have shorter ranges.

And while they can get Haywire type Arc Rifles (so can DE btw), they have no grenades with which to use in Assault against vehicles.

I only compared them to Tau for the range (and Tau have short range guns too) as it is a common complaint that "it's impossible to get to assault" but Skitarii can do the same AND have a decent chance in assault.

We don't know what else they'll have so for all you know they could have big high T good save units.

They have no grenades because they are not generalists like SM (even though they all complain about being generalists).

An army that at this point is just a crappy couple of walkers and one good infantry unit without any kind of force multiplier or DT...

Yeah, I'm raging already.


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They will have one more vehicle which might be a combo kit, and a Magos HQ.

That's what the skiitari will have.

So it appears that I'm the only one to think that Skitarii will be very powerful... *shrugs*

Anybody else bothered by the fact that GW releases half-arsed product lines consisting of 3-4 units and calls it a "new army" these days?

The days of Tau and Necron from the late 90s/early 00s are a thing of the past I guess.

I see them being pretty in line with other 7th Ed codicies, unless our unknown SR or the last few units do something crazy, this looks like Firewarriors, Defilers, and mean Rough Riders/Sentinels for the IoM... hardy something worth grabbing pitchforks over.

I personally like it as what they make armies for now are for factions smaller than the Tau Empire (I'm assuming that that's the measure) so they wouldn't have as many units.

I did expect Skitarii to get more then what they are though ('cuz they're IoM).


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In line with Necrons?

I think he is trying to say that while smaller codex are ok for an allied type faction or two, everyone is curious if gw can even still pull off a full addition of a new army such as when they added necrons and tau.

SGTPozy wrote:
So it appears that I'm the only one to think that Skitarii will be very powerful... *shrugs*

They do look powerful, but right now only as an allied army. In most cases, you are going to be more annoyed by the parent army than the allied one. And the strength of Tau is in its suits and vehicles. Things like jump shoot jump and BS 5 melta equivalents that ignore cover are the main the annoying part. Or under priced ripties. Fire Warriors are good, but they are not game breaking on their own. Nor are they really considered super OP.

We don't know if they have transports or what the Doctrina rules does. We also don't know what the other vehicles options are. 24 inch haywire is good, but not unstoppable. And the Walkers are looking alright, but by themselves they will struggle. We will need to see more holes being filling in the army for them to truely be scary.

Oh okay, like whether they'd be able to redo SoB properly? I personally think that they've just lost interest in doing that sort of thing.

I think with the changes in 7th GW looks at this stuff in terms of factions, not army books. Before they had to make each book with enough units and variety to carry itself. Now it's not Space marines, Guard, etc. It's IoM. They see them all as units that contribute to one faction.

Skitarii contribute to IoM, Harlequins contribute to eldar and dark eldar. Things like that. The inclusion of formations and allies has really changed the focus of the game.

 Sir Arun wrote:
Anybody else bothered by the fact that GW releases half-arsed product lines consisting of 3-4 units and calls it a "new army" these days?

The days of Tau and Necron from the late 90s/early 00s are a thing of the past I guess.

Except that's how Necrons were originally released before they gained a 3rd edition codex.

SGTPozy wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
Of course they will be hated. Every army in 40k gets hated on.

I meant vocally like Eldar hate > SM hate for example.

Every faction gets vocal hate. If you look at the last two "What army would you remove?" threads you'll see that every last faction is represented.

Raven Cowl wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
Of course they will be hated. Every army in 40k gets hated on.

I meant vocally like Eldar hate > SM hate for example.

Every faction gets vocal hate. If you look at the last two "What army would you remove?" threads you'll see that every last faction is represented.

Also, SM are the most popular faction. So there's definitely a large groupof I layers that don't hate SM.

Yes.

Everything gets hated on.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
Anybody else bothered by the fact that GW releases half-arsed product lines consisting of 3-4 units and calls it a "new army" these days?

The days of Tau and Necron from the late 90s/early 00s are a thing of the past I guess.

Except that's how Necrons were originally released before they gained a 3rd edition codex.

Yeah, in 2nd edition it was a single squad entry of Warriors with scarabs as another pseudo-unit of (individually based) scarabs, then Immortals, then Destroyers (normal ones only, no heavy gauss option) and a Lord with a single set of wargear, over an extended period of time, all in White Dwarf issues...all models that form the basis of my all-metal Necron army.

 AegisGrimm wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
Anybody else bothered by the fact that GW releases half-arsed product lines consisting of 3-4 units and calls it a "new army" these days?

The days of Tau and Necron from the late 90s/early 00s are a thing of the past I guess.

Except that's how Necrons were originally released before they gained a 3rd edition codex.

Yeah, in 2nd edition it was a single squad entry of Warriors with scarabs as another pseudo-unit of (individually based) scarabs, then Immortals, then Destroyers (normal ones only, no heavy gauss option) and a Lord with a single set of wargear, over an extended period of time, all in White Dwarf issues...all models that form the basis of my all-metal Necron army.

I think Sisters of Battle also had an update like that, though it was more of a downgrade from their 2E dex till they got representation in Witch Hunters.

This is pretty much one of the best time's for 40k in terms of new things being released since 3rd edition, Harlequins got brought back, Admech finally got representation, IK has returned from Epic, you've practically got Inquisitorial stormtroopers made into an entire army..

Sure GW bungles some of it, but hey they still are GW, nothing new there.

SGTPozy wrote:
Do you think that Skitarii will get hate?

Yes. And there will be a thread with a poll entitled: "Are Skitarii cheesy?", authored by yourself.

Almost certinly. if Skitarii do one thing very well, and it's one thing that can potentially win games. people will call it cheesy. Doubly so if it's something that challanges the current meta.

Skitarii are going to be pretty weak by themselves. It all depends on their CAD and what is required.

taking 2 ten man squads with full special weapons in allied drop pods, will pretty much spell the doom of whatever they are kitted out to kill. 30 point assault Plasma on such a weak model needs it. Ironically they are strongest... against themselves. But besides that, IG, Orks, and maaaaaybe Eldar (depending on their DT) are where they will shine.

 Quickjager wrote:
Skitarii are going to be pretty weak by themselves. It all depends on their CAD and what is required.

taking 2 ten man squads with full special weapons in allied drop pods, will pretty much spell the doom of whatever they are kitted out to kill. 30 point assault Plasma on such a weak model needs it. Ironically they are strongest... against themselves. But besides that, IG, Orks, and maaaaaybe Eldar (depending on their DT) are where they will shine.

so basicly "non Marine" armies?

Ehhh, maybe it really depends on their Doctrina and DT. What I see right now is a cheap, reliable unit. If their DT gives them the ability to move fast and is reasonably priced; I could see them going up against marine armies with that Rad special rule.

Haywire riflex2, haywire pistol, -1 cover save item on the cheaper squad is like 140pts if put in an allied drop pod. 5 haywire shots is probably nearly as effectve as drop melta for 45 - 65 points cheaper.

Could also put plasma cavaliers, but then it's like 170pts.

What if Skitarii would be allied with Knights? It would be fluffy but would it be more hatefull than Knight army alone?