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Prophetic Blood Angel Librarian




So the skitarii web bundle is the same price as 2 vanguard/ranger boxed sets and looks the same.
However, it states that it has 50 weapons avaliable so you can equip your units in any possible combination avaliable to the skitarii.

I've just done some quick maths:
20 rifles
20 carbines
2 arc pistols
2 plasma pistols
6 arc rifles
6 plasma cavilers
6 arquebus

Comes to 62 weapons. Now am I right to be sceptical that there will be 6 of each special weapon?
The individual boxed sets contain 1 of each special weapon. So 2 boxed sets combined would give you two of each special weapon. Which would incidentally give you 50 weapons. The amount they state on the website.
So is this going to be false advertising on GW part when they state 'enough to make any combination allowed for codex: skitarii', to try and make you purchase the web bundle thinking you will get enough specials? Or have they undersold the product and actually there are 62 weapons?
This will make a big deal to some people who want the same 3 special weapons in one unit (ie, mostly everyone).
Have you got web bundles before? Have you got more weapons options from a web bundle than you would have had buying the boxes separately?
   
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'Straya... Mate.

This has been discussed alot though general concensus is they will have to have all the weapons, or suffer the outcry of false advertising.


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Though pretty sure they won't have all 62 required as i says 50.

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Gosport, UK

It's just two boxes. No extra weapons.

Good luck getting any 'false advertising' claims to stick. They can just say 'we meant any single weapons combination, you just can't make multiples' or something (which is pretty clearly what they meant, it's just poor wording).

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Made in gb
Prophetic Blood Angel Librarian




Not what they say though. Hence a literal definition of false advertising.


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Sorry - literal example not definition. I hate it when people use literally incorrectly.

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Yeah, no, You're over thinking it.

It's two boxes. You get all the weapons in two boxes.

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Gosport, UK

I'm not even saying it's not false advertising. I'm saying it was 1. Clearly a mistake and 2. You wouldn't be able to get any kind of case to stick.

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Made in gb
Prophetic Blood Angel Librarian




So they are wrong when they say 'enough to make any combination avaliable in codex: skitarii'. That overthinking has just saved me preordering the web bundle.


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 ImAGeek wrote:
I'm not even saying it's not false advertising. I'm saying it was 1. Clearly a mistake and 2. You wouldn't be able to get any kind of case to stick.


I agree. It's just irritating that GW can make slip ups like this without it coming back on them... any other high street store is careful about their wording or have to provide what was advertised/give a refund.

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Gathering the Informations.

Poly Ranger wrote:
So they are wrong when they say 'enough to make any combination avaliable in codex: skitarii'. That overthinking has just saved me preordering the web bundle.

Why in the world would you preorder it today?

Just go in to a local shop tomorrow and buy two boxes. It will cost you exactly the same(unless you're getting it at a discount retailer) and you don't have to wait until they ship it.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
Poly Ranger wrote:
So they are wrong when they say 'enough to make any combination avaliable in codex: skitarii'. That overthinking has just saved me preordering the web bundle.

Why in the world would you preorder it today?

Just go in to a local shop tomorrow and buy two boxes. It will cost you exactly the same(unless you're getting it at a discount retailer) and you don't have to wait until they ship it.


Because I have plans over the easter break.
   
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Gathering the Informations.

Fair enough then.
   
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Prophetic Blood Angel Librarian




Tbf I was also unaware that they were released in stores this weekend :-p so thanks for the info.
   
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Gathering the Informations.

For future reference, preorders go up on Fridays and then release the next week on a Saturday.
   
Made in nl
Wight Lord with the Sword of Kings






North of your position

 Kanluwen wrote:
Poly Ranger wrote:
So they are wrong when they say 'enough to make any combination avaliable in codex: skitarii'. That overthinking has just saved me preordering the web bundle.

Why in the world would you preorder it today?

Just go in to a local shop tomorrow and buy two boxes. It will cost you exactly the same(unless you're getting it at a discount retailer) and you don't have to wait until they ship it.

I pre-ordered it yesterday, because the closest local store is 80km away, and I was waiting until we'd seen all of the releases

   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
For future reference, preorders go up on Fridays and then release the next week on a Saturday.


Useful to know. Thanks!
   
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Gathering the Informations.

 thenoobbomb wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Poly Ranger wrote:
So they are wrong when they say 'enough to make any combination avaliable in codex: skitarii'. That overthinking has just saved me preordering the web bundle.

Why in the world would you preorder it today?

Just go in to a local shop tomorrow and buy two boxes. It will cost you exactly the same(unless you're getting it at a discount retailer) and you don't have to wait until they ship it.

I pre-ordered it yesterday, because the closest local store is 80km away, and I was waiting until we'd seen all of the releases

You should have waited until next Friday then, because then you could get a big ol' bundle of stuff most likely!
   
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North of your position

 Kanluwen wrote:
 thenoobbomb wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Poly Ranger wrote:
So they are wrong when they say 'enough to make any combination avaliable in codex: skitarii'. That overthinking has just saved me preordering the web bundle.

Why in the world would you preorder it today?

Just go in to a local shop tomorrow and buy two boxes. It will cost you exactly the same(unless you're getting it at a discount retailer) and you don't have to wait until they ship it.

I pre-ordered it yesterday, because the closest local store is 80km away, and I was waiting until we'd seen all of the releases

You should have waited until next Friday then, because then you could get a big ol' bundle of stuff most likely!

Ehh, I'm not much a fan of the other miniatures of this release - and my stuff'll arrive by Friday now, anyway!

   
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body





Devon, UK

 ImAGeek wrote:
I'm not even saying it's not false advertising. I'm saying it was 1. Clearly a mistake and 2. You wouldn't be able to get any kind of case to stick.


That's a bit of a contradiction. If it is clearly false advertising, why wouldn't you be able to get a case to stick?

It is clearly false advertising, it fulfils all the criteria without need to in any way stretch the facts, and the fact that it may be a mistake is utterly irrelevant, the onus is on the advertiser to not make mistakes, not the consumer to cut them a break because they messed up. (Although, producing something sub standard and relying on the customer to take up the slack is a very GW thing to do.)

The only thing that makes this not worth pursuing is a matter of scale, not a matter of validity.

But then, if I'd bought several dozen bundles in the mistaken belief it contained extra weapons over two boxes bought separately (after all, there must be some reason they're offering it over simply adding the products to your cart separately at the same price, right?) I may feel differently about the scale too.

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Beijing, China

 Azreal13 wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
I'm not even saying it's not false advertising. I'm saying it was 1. Clearly a mistake and 2. You wouldn't be able to get any kind of case to stick.


That's a bit of a contradiction. If it is clearly false advertising, why wouldn't you be able to get a case to stick?

It is clearly false advertising, it fulfils all the criteria without need to in any way stretch the facts, and the fact that it may be a mistake is utterly irrelevant, the onus is on the advertiser to not make mistakes, not the consumer to cut them a break because they messed up. (Although, producing something sub standard and relying on the customer to take up the slack is a very GW thing to do.)

The only thing that makes this not worth pursuing is a matter of scale, not a matter of validity.

But then, if I'd bought several dozen bundles in the mistaken belief it contained extra weapons over two boxes bought separately (after all, there must be some reason they're offering it over simply adding the products to your cart separately at the same price, right?) I may feel differently about the scale too.


The problem is you wouldnt have much of a case. The damages to you due to the false advertising are minimal. GW could also offer you a refund. Lawyers are expensive.

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Devon, UK

If you win, the expense is on the other party.

We also have a "small claims court" in the UK which is specifically geared towards low value (<£10K) and relatively minimal impact, but nevertheless illegal, cases and simply requires the application to the court for your case to be considered, no lawyers required.

I have no real reservation you could probably make a successful claim, I just can't imagine anyone being petty enough to spend their time pursuing it, unless, as I mentioned, they'd gone big on the bundle on the understanding it featured extra weapons and were out by hundreds.

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Fixture of Dakka






It's literally just 2 boxes. Everything that says "web bundle" is stuff pulled off the shelf in multiples; you don't get a bigger box or anything.

You get 2 each of the 3 sprues that I photographed yesterday:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/642694.page

If you want to sue them, go for it; have fun. Unless you bought like, 5 kits, I doubt you'd even make back the filing fees. At the end of it all, they don't even have to give you money, if they lose -- just some loose bits. Yiipeeeeeee... I would rather model or play 40k
   
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Heroic Senior Officer




New Zealand

They state any combination found in the codex.

So when the codex comes out (make sure you screenshot the bundle page) send it to them ans say "I cant make the combination of 6 plasma guns like your product said it could online? Why is this? are you missing bits from this product?"

Because they are missing bits (we all know it to be true) and it is illegal to mislead or falsely advertise. If you have purchased the web bundle, make sure you get what you paid for. And you paid for what was listed and that includes enough bits to make any combination of weapons found in the skitari codex for those units.

What they have done is very illegal, even if it is a mistake, the laws are there to protect the consumer, you are the consumer and you have been lies to/mislead by this product in a reasonable manner. At the least they will have to supply you with the missing bits.

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Beijing, China

Speaking of false advertising...

The Killclade formation says it is 3 units of Ruststarlkers and 1 unit of infiltrators, but the picture is 3 units of infiltrators and 1 unit of Ruststalkers

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Sicarian-Killclade-Web-Bundle

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New Zealand

 Exergy wrote:
Speaking of false advertising...

The Killclade formation says it is 3 units of Ruststarlkers and 1 unit of infiltrators, but the picture is 3 units of infiltrators and 1 unit of Ruststalkers

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Sicarian-Killclade-Web-Bundle


While thats misleading advertising, technically the kits make both so its more misleading than false. Stupid either way.
   
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Devon, UK

 Talys wrote:
It's literally just 2 boxes. Everything that says "web bundle" is stuff pulled off the shelf in multiples; you don't get a bigger box or anything.

You get 2 each of the 3 sprues that I photographed yesterday:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/642694.page

If you want to sue them, go for it; have fun. Unless you bought like, 5 kits, I doubt you'd even make back the filing fees. At the end of it all, they don't even have to give you money, if they lose -- just some loose bits. Yiipeeeeeee... I would rather model or play 40k


I don't know if it works different in Canadia, but in the UK, you'd be awarded costs if you won, so assuming you did, you'd get the bits plus any costs incurred, it wouldn't cost you a thing.

As for the whole "web bundle" thing, you only have to look at the OP to see that it clearly isn't obvious.

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The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.

The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox

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that is a sure way to upset a Canadian!

 
   
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Devon, UK

Then shouldn't you be referring to them as Canadans?


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The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.

The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox

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 Rippy wrote:

that is a sure way to upset a Canadian!
Pfft. He'll just apologize for losing his cool. All the Canuckistanis do.

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