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Purple Heart ceremony Friday for Fort Hood casualties
By Michelle Tan, Staff writer 2:32 p.m. EDT April 9, 2015

On Friday, more than five years after a bullet shattered his right femur, Sgt. 1st Class Miguel Valdivia will receive the Purple Heart.

But Valdivia, who will be honored alongside 46 others who were killed or wounded in the deadly 2009 shooting rampage at Fort Hood, Texas, is conflicted.

"It feels good, but at the same time I'm feeling numb," said Valdivia, who was shot three times that day. "It's a guilty feeling. I only got wounded. Deep inside, I feel I don't deserve it."

Thirteen people were killed and more than 30 wounded in the Nov. 5, 2009, attack by former Maj. Nidal Hasan.

Hasan was convicted in August 2013 of 13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 counts of attempted murder and sentenced to death.

The victims of the shooting, the deadliest on a U.S. military installation, will be honored during a ceremony at 9 a.m. Friday at the III Corps headquarters on Fort Hood.

As many as 47 Purple Hearts and Defense of Freedom Medals, the civilian equivalent of the Purple Heart, will be awarded Friday. The event is hosted by Lt. Gen. Sean MacFarland, commander of III Corps and Fort Hood.

The Purple Heart ceremony is years in the making, after a years-long battle by the victims and their families in the aftermath of the shooting. In early February, Army Secretary John McHugh announced the award after Congress mandated a change in the medals' eligibility criteria.

Congress redefined what should be considered an attack by a "foreign terrorist organization." The legislation states that an event should now be considered an attack by such an organization if the perpetrator "was in communication with the foreign terrorist organization before the attack," and "the attack was inspired or motivated by the foreign terrorist organization."

There was sufficient evidence to conclude Hasan "was in communication with the foreign terrorist organization before the attack," and that his radicalization and subsequent acts could reasonably be considered to have been "inspired or motivated by the foreign terrorist organization," the Army said.

Philip Warman, whose wife Lt. Col. Juanita Warman was the highest-ranking soldier killed in the shooting, said he is eager for the victims to receive the award.

"It gives me satisfaction that it's going to happen," he said. "Personally, my wife was an outstanding officer. She was thoroughly professional, she regarded her civilian life more as a temporary leave from full-time Army service."

Juanita Warman was a psychiatric nurse practitioner, and she had volunteered for a tour of duty in Iraq.

"She felt she could do more good by getting to those soldiers more quickly, while they were actually still in the service," Philip Warman said.

His wife, who had served in the Army Reserve for 24 years, had only just arrived at Fort Hood after training at Fort Hunter Liggett, California, when the shooting occurred, Philip Warman said.

"She was primed and ready to go," he said. "She certainly would have done well, but that was cut short at Fort Hood. I felt that just to shrug it off as some sort of unfortunate incident or a dispute with another soldier or something like that really didn't recognize the true nature of what she was going to do and what she, in fact, faced."

Philip Warman was at home in Havre de Grace, Maryland, when his mother-in-law called to tell him about the shooting. He wasn't too concerned at first, thinking his wife was still en route to Fort Hood from her other training.

"Then I turned on the TV and started watching," he said. "I called her, and I didn't get any answer on her cell phone, so I just assumed she might have been involved in treating casualties."

It wasn't until later that night that Philip Warman began to worry.

"It was after dark, I remember, and I started calling emergency numbers," he said.

At about 10 p.m., he heard a knock on his door.

"There were two officers in Class As, and I knew what that meant," he said.

Losing his wife was hard, Philip Warman said.

"It's hard to describe," he said.

But he has moved forward, he said.

"When your loved one is deployed, I think it's up to the people who are behind to make sure everything stays intact and goes along while they're doing their service," he said. "I think that's really what I had to do. You just have to keep going, otherwise you extend the grief longer, and that makes the tragedy worse."

His wife was strong, intelligent and determined, and she likely would have felt some satisfaction to be receiving the Purple Heart, Philip Warman said.

"She's an example of the finest that the nation has," he said.

Sgt. 1st Class Paul Martin was determined to stay in the Army Reserve after he was shot four times during Hasan's rampage.

Martin, a petroleum supply specialist who served 14 years in the active Army before switching to the Reserve, said he is excited about Friday's ceremony.

"It means a lot to me," he said. "I'm like a kid waiting for his Christmas present the day before Christmas. I feel it's an honor to be honored by my country that I love to serve and I fought for."

Martin, 50, was preparing to deploy to Iraq with the 716th Quartermaster Company from Jersey City, New Jersey, when he was shot.

The bullets struck Martin in both arms, his back and his left thigh.

One of his first goals after he was wounded was to return to duty, he said. His recovery took almost two years.

"My family standing behind me and religious faith, that was what helped me recover," Martin said.

Martin, who is now an Active Guard and Reserve soldier in the 141st Quartermaster Company of Tyler, Texas, said he initially struggled because his wounds prevented him from deploying with his soldiers.

"I was a leader and I couldn't be there for my soldiers," he said. "I struggled with leaving my soldiers hanging. That was hard. I felt I let them down."

But his soldiers' encouragement, counseling and faith helped him through, Martin said.

He even made it to the tarmac at Fort Dix, New Jersey, to welcome home his soldiers after their Iraq deployment.

"All I did was be a soldier and continue to soldier on and do my job to the best of my ability," he said.

For Valdivia, a behavioral health specialist assigned to the 330th Medical Brigade outside Chicago, his willingness to volunteer for a deployment is what brought him to Fort Hood that day.

Valdivia, who had previously served in Kuwait and Iraq, volunteered to deploy to Afghanistan with the 452nd Combat Stress Control from Madison, Wisconsin.

"I like being a soldier, and there was an opportunity for me to do something I like to do," he said. "It sounds silly, but I wanted to go to Afghanistan because I wanted to see the mountains."

On the day of the shooting, after some initial confusion and wrangling, Valdivia was able to get his records pulled for his pre-deployment medical checks.

"The lady said it was my lucky day," he said. "She had my records and she was going to print them. Then everything happened."

Valdivia was shot in his right leg and hip. A third bullet grazed his left ear.

He has endured several surgeries, including two that involved putting a rod in his right leg where the femur was shattered. His doctors initially told him he would never run again.

"I love running, so I'd go to the trails and I'd pretend to run," he said.

Valdivia finally worked up the ability to run for 10 seconds straight.

"The pain was very strong," he said. But he kept pushing, slowly increasing his running time to 12 seconds at a time, then 15 seconds at a time and so on.

Today, he can run up to two miles, maybe two and a half "if I'm lucky," he said.

"I just kept on going and going," he said. "Sometimes things don't go the way you want, but I'm still here."


Well and truly overdue.


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Does this mean it is no longer deemed "workplace violence"?

 
   
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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Does this mean it is no longer deemed "workplace violence"?


I'm sure, somewhere, it will still be written down as such, but yes. The Purple Heart can only be awarded for being wounded by enemy action.

Long over due, and I'm glad it finally got pushed through. This should have been a no brainer from the start.

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 djones520 wrote:
 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Does this mean it is no longer deemed "workplace violence"?


I'm sure, somewhere, it will still be written down as such, but yes. The Purple Heart can only be awarded for being wounded by enemy action.

Long over due, and I'm glad it finally got pushed through. This should have been a no brainer from the start.


Not meaning to cause offence to the victims, but I don't see how getting shot by your own side constitutes enemy action.

As for the shooting. It's my understanding that the attacker was 'inspired' by, rather than in direct contact with, terrorists.

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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Does this mean it is no longer deemed "workplace violence"?


No. There was a clause added to the NDAA which would recognize it as terrorism. You can see the exact verbiage in this article.

 djones520 wrote:
Long over due, and I'm glad it finally got pushed through. This should have been a no brainer from the start.


Yes. A long term fix required, and eventually got, a legislative fix but I feel like this was the sort of situation executive orders are made for.

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
 djones520 wrote:
 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Does this mean it is no longer deemed "workplace violence"?


I'm sure, somewhere, it will still be written down as such, but yes. The Purple Heart can only be awarded for being wounded by enemy action.

Long over due, and I'm glad it finally got pushed through. This should have been a no brainer from the start.


Not meaning to cause offence to the victims, but I don't see how getting shot by your own side constitutes enemy action.

As for the shooting. It's my understanding that the attacker was 'inspired' by, rather than in direct contact with, terrorists.


He had communicated with a known terrorist, at least 20 times prior to the shootings. In my eyes, his actions were no different then what we see over here all the time in Afghanistan, with people joining the ANP or ANA and then turning on them and us.

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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Does this mean it is no longer deemed "workplace violence"?


No. There was a clause added to the NDAA which would recognize it as terrorism. You can see the exact verbiage in this article.

 djones520 wrote:
Long over due, and I'm glad it finally got pushed through. This should have been a no brainer from the start.


Yes. A long term fix required, and eventually got, a legislative fix but I feel like this was the sort of situation executive orders are made for.

It is shameful that it has taken so long to do this, and this is one area where I believe the use of an Executive Order would have been appropriate until a legislative fix was in place

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Not meaning to cause offence to the victims, but I don't see how getting shot by your own side constitutes enemy action.

This was not a blue on blue friendly fire incident. This was someone in touch with enemy agents who sought to harm his country, and those he swore to fight alongside. This is not simply "getting shot by your own side"

 
   
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Its a symbolic award. They do not receive anything that comes with this award being it was not combat related.

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Its a symbolic award. They do not receive anything that comes with this award being it was not combat related.


Yep.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/04/10/fort-hood-shooting-victim-denied-benefits-despite-purple-heart-decision/

In part:

On Nov. 5, 2009, then-Staff Sgt. Manning was shot six times by Maj. Nidal Hasan. Two bullets are still in his body -- one in his leg, the other in his back -- and he suffers from PTSD.

The 2015 defense budget -- known as the National Defense Authorization Act, or NDAA -- included language that meant Fort Hood victims were eligible for the Purple Heart honor because the attack was inspired by a foreign terrorist group, and not workplace violence, as the Defense Department initially labeled it.

Manning submitted new paperwork so the Army would recognize his injuries were sustained in the line of duty. But his appeal was rejected by a physical evaluation board, apparently based on a narrow interpretation of the law.

"Section 571 of the 2015 National Defense Authorization Act addresses both the awarding of the Purple Heart to service members killed or wounded in attacks inspired or motivated by foreign terrorist organizations and the Defense of Freedom Medal for those members and civilians killed or wounded during the Fort Hood attack on 5 November 20009," the April 6 letter states.

"Nowhere in the act, however, does it offer combat benefits for service members permanently disabled in attacks inspired or motivated by foreign terrorist organizations. Although subsequent legislation and guidance may change, currently, the Board has no authority to award V1/V3 (service related) designation to soldiers disabled during the Fort Hood attack. "



An earlier letter in 2012 was absolute in its denial of the terrorist connection, even though the evidence showed Hasan was emailing the Al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki prior to the attack.“MAJ Hasan has been charged with criminal activity, but has not been adjudicated a terrorist. Therefore, the clear preponderance of evidence does not support that the injuries sustained were the direct result of armed conflict,” the letter said.

It went on to state Manning’s injuries were not caused by an “instrumentality of war” because Hasan’s “weapon was a private semi-automatic pistol. The army did not issue this weapons to the soldier.”




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WASHINGTON, D.C. — In a move to fix budget woes and stanch abuse of disability compensation, the Department of Veterans Affairs now requires applicants to disclose whether or not they were wearing their reflective green PT belt during their service-related injury.

“We want to make sure that veterans are only being compensated if they took all reasonable measures to mitigate risk of injury,” said VA Secretary Robert A. McDonald. “Imagine that a soldier is running at Kandahar Airfield in Afghanistan, and is struck by a military vehicle. The issue could have been avoided entirely had the soldier been wearing his PT belt, and neither the Department of Defense nor the VA can be held responsible for that.”


Okay, so that last article is satire....

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 djones520 wrote:
 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Does this mean it is no longer deemed "workplace violence"?


I'm sure, somewhere, it will still be written down as such, but yes. The Purple Heart can only be awarded for being wounded by enemy action.

Long over due, and I'm glad it finally got pushed through. This should have been a no brainer from the start.


These sorts of situations will occur more often as the definition of enemy combatants becomes blurred. Most rules are set up to account for actions during wartime against combatants of an enemy nation. We car now more accustomed to a nebulous ongoing war against 'terror' in which enemy combatants can be anyone who has been persuaded to a jihadi cause

It's now the case that victims of a shooting spree by one of their own soldiers will be recognised with a Purple Heart depending on whether the attacker is deemed to be radicalised or not. The exact same actions and consequences could have resulted from someone just going crazy one day. But I assume those victims would not receive a Purple Heart. It was a lot more straight forward when the enemy were clearly on the opposite side and not recruited and uniformed by your own.
   
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I love congress, Hey, lets honor our troops by giving them awards, but not help them.
This kinda gak gets on my nerves. The whole, "Lets Honor Our troops" this is stupid, because you do empty gestures and false platitudes while doing nothing but ignore their problems. Because American troops are invincible and cant be hurt........
Im sure that purpleheart will look good from his hospital bed.

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I love congress, Hey, lets honor our troops by giving them awards, but not help them.
This kinda gak gets on my nerves. The whole, "Lets Honor Our troops" this is stupid, because you do empty gestures and false platitudes while doing nothing but ignore their problems. Because American troops are invincible and cant be hurt........
Im sure that purpleheart will look good from his hospital bed.


To be fair, I don't think any of the congress critters intended this to happen, they 'assumed' their intent would be clear and the DoD would not parse words in the law to save a few bucks. I'm not a huge fan of congress critters, but I don't think this is on them. Yes, they could have spelled it out more clearly. But the DoD bureaucrats could have used the existing language to justify the paying of the combat benefits.

Hence my feth The Board comment.

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I love congress, Hey, lets honor our troops by giving them awards, but not help them.
This kinda gak gets on my nerves. The whole, "Lets Honor Our troops" this is stupid, because you do empty gestures and false platitudes while doing nothing but ignore their problems. Because American troops are invincible and cant be hurt........
Im sure that purpleheart will look good from his hospital bed.


What happens to these wounded troops if their injuries prevent them from ever holding down a job again?

Do they get government support for however long it takes, or do they get a handshake, some cash, a thank you, and a see- you- later-it's- not -our- problem- anymore.

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I love congress, Hey, lets honor our troops by giving them awards, but not help them.
This kinda gak gets on my nerves. The whole, "Lets Honor Our troops" this is stupid, because you do empty gestures and false platitudes while doing nothing but ignore their problems. Because American troops are invincible and cant be hurt........
Im sure that purpleheart will look good from his hospital bed.


What happens to these wounded troops if their injuries prevent them from ever holding down a job again?

Do they get government support for however long it takes, or do they get a handshake, some cash, a thank you, and a see- you- later-it's- not -our- problem- anymore.


If they are medically chaptered out or retired they will be given some level of disability pay that continues for ever, as well as VA medical benefits. That level is part of what is in question. A combat related disability pays better than a non combat related disability.

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I love congress, Hey, lets honor our troops by giving them awards, but not help them.
This kinda gak gets on my nerves. The whole, "Lets Honor Our troops" this is stupid, because you do empty gestures and false platitudes while doing nothing but ignore their problems. Because American troops are invincible and cant be hurt........
Im sure that purpleheart will look good from his hospital bed.


What happens to these wounded troops if their injuries prevent them from ever holding down a job again?

Do they get government support for however long it takes, or do they get a handshake, some cash, a thank you, and a see- you- later-it's- not -our- problem- anymore.


If they are medically chaptered out or retired they will be given some level of disability pay that continues for ever, as well as VA medical benefits. That level is part of what is in question. A combat related disability pays better than a non combat related disability.


I'm no fan of the military, but I'd hate to see them thrown on the scrapheap. If the USA has $600 billion a year to spend on the military, then it can afford to look after people who have been injured while wearing the uniform.

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 djones520 wrote:
 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Does this mean it is no longer deemed "workplace violence"?


I'm sure, somewhere, it will still be written down as such, but yes. The Purple Heart can only be awarded for being wounded by enemy action.

Long over due, and I'm glad it finally got pushed through. This should have been a no brainer from the start.


Definitely fits the bill here. Nidal Hassan is an Islamic terrorist, and definitely one of the enemy.

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
 CptJake wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I love congress, Hey, lets honor our troops by giving them awards, but not help them.
This kinda gak gets on my nerves. The whole, "Lets Honor Our troops" this is stupid, because you do empty gestures and false platitudes while doing nothing but ignore their problems. Because American troops are invincible and cant be hurt........
Im sure that purpleheart will look good from his hospital bed.


What happens to these wounded troops if their injuries prevent them from ever holding down a job again?

Do they get government support for however long it takes, or do they get a handshake, some cash, a thank you, and a see- you- later-it's- not -our- problem- anymore.


If they are medically chaptered out or retired they will be given some level of disability pay that continues for ever, as well as VA medical benefits. That level is part of what is in question. A combat related disability pays better than a non combat related disability.


I'm no fan of the military, but I'd hate to see them thrown on the scrapheap. If the USA has $600 billion a year to spend on the military, then it can afford to look after people who have been injured while wearing the uniform.

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
If the USA has $600 billion a year to spend on the military, then it can afford to look after people who have been injured while wearing the uniform.


You'd think that, right? But no, not usually.

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No one going to admit that GWOT is occurring on US soil


That's not true. You'd be eligible for the GWOT Medal just for having served 30 days in a US airport during the 6 month window right after 9/11. So, RAW, it's been admitted.

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That's not true. You'd be eligible for the GWOT Medal just for having served 30 days in a US airport during the 6 month window right after 9/11. So, RAW, it's been admitted.



Should have gone with just "war" on US soil eh

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