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Have any of you benched an army because too many people in the area/ flgs have began to play it?

I've never benched an army because of this, but when I started, and whenever I start a new army, it's always something I consider. Just the hipster in me trying to escape haha.

I did that with my Eldar for a while recently, but that was as much because I didn't like the "oh, you play Eldar?" eye rolls I was getting as anything else. Not really hipsterism so much as a dislike of other players' disdain. I've picked them up again now that Harlequins came out.

Not quite the same thing, but I've been playing Orks more than Eldar lately because some of the friends that I play with complain too much when I bring them to the table :/

It's not a competitive army list... and I don't win every time with it, indeed the one friend who protests the most has yet to lose to them. But the internet says that the codex is broken so I get nothing but bitching and moaning when the Eldar come out. My roommate's Necrons don't get the same kind of pushback, and he hasn't lost a game since the new codex dropped...

I get that Eldar are a great army competitively. It's just frustrating having to deal with sites like dakka dakka being considered the gospel of what army you should be mad about, or feel bad about playing.

So, in a sense, the competitive popularity of Eldar keeps them on the shelf for me, yeah.

I chose red scorpions for 2 reasons
1.no one i know fields them
2.the special characters are insane
(You know they are when you have a ML3,2+/2++,chooses powers psyker)

I didn't particularly look at how many people play them, I just like DA for their looks so I chose them. It luckily turns out that maybe 2 other people play them, and not always.

As for the eldar hate, I can say that I really don't mind playing them as long as you don't bring a powerful list to a casual game. I'm not sure if it's coincidence or not, but a lot of the eldar players do bring serpent spam, or they bring a wraithknight to a 500 point game where some armies literally can't even afford to bring a lot of stuff to deal with the things, unless you seriously tailor a list to fight them. And it quickly kills whatever I bring that can actually hurt it, so I need to spam snipers or some such nonsense. Which isn't fun.

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 Sillycybin wrote:

commander dante wrote:

(You know they are when you have a ML3,2+/2++,chooses powers psyker)

Why people don't like others fielding forge world in a nutshell. Unless that costs more than ahriman that is in no way balanced.

Either it's 300 points, or I hate forgeworld. So much of their stuff is stupidly broken if you compare it to everything else in 40k.

Since the majority of their stuff is alternate costumes for Space Marines or Guardsmen, that's not really true.

 kingbobbito wrote:

 Sillycybin wrote:

commander dante wrote:

(You know they are when you have a ML3,2+/2++,chooses powers psyker)

Why people don't like others fielding forge world in a nutshell. Unless that costs more than ahriman that is in no way balanced.

Either it's 300 points, or I hate forgeworld. So much of their stuff is stupidly broken if you compare it to everything else in 40k.

You must hate FW then
He is just over half of your estimate
(175 points)


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 Sillycybin wrote:

commander dante wrote:

(You know they are when you have a ML3,2+/2++,chooses powers psyker)

Why people don't like others fielding forge world in a nutshell. Unless that costs more than ahriman that is in no way balanced.

How many points is ahriman?

I chose DA mainly for their looks and fluff, but it worked out that no one else played them. My 2nd army, Daemons, however I did choose partly because no one else played them and because they were so different from SM/CSM.

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 kingbobbito wrote:

 Sillycybin wrote:

commander dante wrote:

(You know they are when you have a ML3,2+/2++,chooses powers psyker)

Why people don't like others fielding forge world in a nutshell. Unless that costs more than ahriman that is in no way balanced.

Either it's 300 points, or I hate forgeworld. So much of their stuff is stupidly broken if you compare it to everything else in 40k.

Ridiculous stance to take. Yeah there's a couple of OP things in FW rules but there's just as much (if not more) unbalanced stuff in GW rules.

 Sillycybin wrote:

commander dante wrote:

(You know they are when you have a ML3,2+/2++,chooses powers psyker)

Why people don't like others fielding forge world in a nutshell. Unless that costs more than ahriman that is in no way balanced.

FW isn't balanced with codex stuff. Want Tigarias but better? Try FW.
Want flyers with double the firepower that costs less than codex flyers. Try FW.
Want a better version of anything? Try FW.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Sillycybin wrote:

commander dante wrote:

(You know they are when you have a ML3,2+/2++,chooses powers psyker)

Why people don't like others fielding forge world in a nutshell. Unless that costs more than ahriman that is in no way balanced.

FW isn't balanced with codex stuff. Want Tigarias but better? Try FW.
Want flyers with double the firepower that costs less than codex flyers. Try FW.
Want a better version of anything? Try FW.

Not even remotely true. FW balance is just as good (bad) as GW balance. It's not like everything the do is better than GW stuff. As much of it is pretty crap.

I hopped on the NewCron bandwagon back when they got their first update in forever, I ultimately had to bench the army because all my buddies started to hate playing against my lists. Was sad because I loved the Crons and wanted to actually play them before their update, I just didn't since the rumormill said they were getting a new dex soon. Afterwards it didn't take long for my wraiths and barges to make a name for themselves.

I ended up selling the army and regret that as well, as I totally want to pick them up again.

 Sillycybin wrote:
Ahriman is 230 points for 3+/4++ doesn't choose his own powers.

I would glady pay a 55 point discount to get that bumped up to 2++, choose my own powers.

I choose 3x Psychic Shriek on Ahriman every time.

To the OP, I have stopped playing my Necrons because A) They were always my least favorite army anyway and the newcron fluff always made me unhappy anyway and B) they seem to be the new OPness so I'll just avoid them for a while.

the_scotsman wrote:

 Sillycybin wrote:
Ahriman is 230 points for 3+/4++ doesn't choose his own powers.

I would glady pay a 55 point discount to get that bumped up to 2++, choose my own powers.

I choose 3x Psychic Shriek on Ahriman every time.

To the OP, I have stopped playing my Necrons because A) They were always my least favorite army anyway and the newcron fluff always made me unhappy anyway and B) they seem to be the new OPness so I'll just avoid them for a while.

I thought you had to roll for his powers?

You do have to roll for them, but Psychic Shriek is a Primaris.

You can't select the same power more than once though. I think he's meaning he just fires it 3 times in his psychic phase because Ahriman can do that.

I don't really care too much about fighting a lot of the same army, but what gets me are when everyone's lists are the same because the cheese/meta is so popular.

So while I've never actually shelved an army because it's popular, I have shelved specific units or played in different ways to set myself apart.

For example, my Ulthwe army was never on jetbikes. My Nid army was massed Warriors. Tau was always farsight with as many suits etc.

But I also don't play at a tournament level and play at a local hobby store or friends basement as opposed to GW.

Nope. I've complained, I've never shelved the army.

 kingbobbito wrote:
As for the eldar hate, I can say that I really don't mind playing them as long as you don't bring a powerful list to a casual game. I'm not sure if it's coincidence or not, but a lot of the eldar players do bring serpent spam, or they bring a wraithknight to a 500 point game where some armies literally can't even afford to bring a lot of stuff to deal with the things, unless you seriously tailor a list to fight them. And it quickly kills whatever I bring that can actually hurt it, so I need to spam snipers or some such nonsense. Which isn't fun.

This is the crux of it for me. The idea that I have to walk on eggshells when I build an Eldar list, so to speak, is annoying in the extreme.

I'm not trying to poop on your point; I agree that bringing a beardy list to a casual game is justifiably going to ruffle some feathers.

But my issue is, where is the line drawn? How many serpents am I allowed to bring before my opponent is 'allowed' to be upset? I've got two and some folks react to them like I just put a Warhound on the table.

If the rumours about a new codex are true, I'm genuinely excited for the Eldar to get nerfed into the dirt. At least then I won't have to put up with the accusations of my army winning instead of me!

I've described myself as an army hipster. It doesn't lead me to avoid playing a faction, however, so much as it encourages me to run unusual lists. In 5th edition, i was the eldar player who never ran a seer council or spammed fire dragons (unless I was venting my frustrations on a mechanized army).

Now that serpents are all the rage, my lists have been featuring about 1 serpent most games. Often none. Instead, I'm building up/playing a fast-attack heavy lists with lots of jump/jet infantry, Baharroth, shadow spectres, etc.

 Jambles wrote:

 kingbobbito wrote:
As for the eldar hate, I can say that I really don't mind playing them as long as you don't bring a powerful list to a casual game. I'm not sure if it's coincidence or not, but a lot of the eldar players do bring serpent spam, or they bring a wraithknight to a 500 point game where some armies literally can't even afford to bring a lot of stuff to deal with the things, unless you seriously tailor a list to fight them. And it quickly kills whatever I bring that can actually hurt it, so I need to spam snipers or some such nonsense. Which isn't fun.

This is the crux of it for me. The idea that I have to walk on eggshells when I build an Eldar list, so to speak, is annoying in the extreme.

I'm not trying to poop on your point; I agree that bringing a beardy list to a casual game is justifiably going to ruffle some feathers.

But my issue is, where is the line drawn? How many serpents am I allowed to bring before my opponent is 'allowed' to be upset? I've got two and some folks react to them like I just put a Warhound on the table.

If the rumours about a new codex are true, I'm genuinely excited for the Eldar to get nerfed into the dirt. At least then I won't have to put up with the accusations of my army winning instead of me!

What point level were you playing? At 1000 I'd be totally fine with 2 wave serpents. At 500 (which I play a lot because the games are shorter), two serpents will be nigh impossible to kill unless I run all dev squads. My usual 1 las and one melta is going to doing squat for me against 2 of them. I mean, I don't think I'd complain to your face or refuse to play you, but I'd grit my teeth when you're not looking

As to people saying about forgeworld stuff not being overpowered, sure, the majority of their stuff is just reskins of similar units, nothing too spectacular. But if you look at all of their custom units things get more and more powerful than standard stuff.
--Fire raptor gunship I think it's called, easily better than any flyer anyone can take in terms of shooting output.
--Y'vera and R'vana or whatever, both better than the standard riptide, plus they all fill different slots so you can have a non-unbound army with 9 riptides (although I hear one got a slight nerf since I last played against it).
--Most of the land raider variants, better than the standard 3. Oh, it carries less, but it also outguns all the other tanks marines can get.

In general the unique units just outclass GW units in some way. I mean, even their dreadnought is better than a standard one, and not for many points more.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Sillycybin wrote:

commander dante wrote:

(You know they are when you have a ML3,2+/2++,chooses powers psyker)

Why people don't like others fielding forge world in a nutshell. Unless that costs more than ahriman that is in no way balanced.

FW isn't balanced with codex stuff. Want Tigarias but better? Try FW.
Want flyers with double the firepower that costs less than codex flyers. Try FW.
Want a better version of anything? Try FW.

Not even remotely true. FW balance is just as good (bad) as GW balance. It's not like everything the do is better than GW stuff. As much of it is pretty crap.

What? Most FW stuff is better than regular GW ruleswise. FireRaptors, Land Raiders that ignore the Melta rule, plenty of Tau shenanigans.

By "most" do you mean "some?"

 Azreal13 wrote:
By "most" do you mean "some?"

Most forgeworld units. Reskins of marines or a tank with extra armor aren't FW units, they're GW units with a reskin. Just as an example, looked at the ultramarines page. Everything on it, except for 2 models, were just standard GW units with a slightly different look, using rules made by GW, not FW.

Yes most "FW stuff" isn't overpowered... they all use GW rules but look different. "FW units", however, which use FW made rules, about 90% of them are better than GW units.

 kingbobbito wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
By "most" do you mean "some?"

Most forgeworld units. Reskins of marines or a tank with extra armor aren't FW units, they're GW units with a reskin. Just as an example, looked at the ultramarines page. Everything on it, except for 2 models, were just standard GW units with a slightly different look, using rules made by GW, not FW.

Yes most "FW stuff" isn't overpowered... they all use GW rules but look different. "FW units", however, which use FW made rules, about 90% of them are better than GW units.

Actually, I've been using a full FW army against 40k and it's been pretty equitable. I've been using the 30k Mechanicum and while their stuff is tough and powerful it's expensive. I've got:

-40 point jet pack infantry models that trade only having a 4+ save for T5 3W, but they only have a single S7 shot so they're not really offensive powerhouses
-Squishy pathetic super super cheap infantry that gets buffed by units of techpriests+servitors
-Giant robot monstrous creature pretty similar in cost and function to a Carnifex that also wants to be near Techpriests or else it just attacks the closest thing
-A unit of basically SM grav centurions, a little more expensive with more offensive power but a 3+ instead of a 2+
-A tank that is pretty much identical to a SM Lascannon predator, costing a couple more points and having 4 SL shots instead of 2 SL 1 TL

It's all pretty middle of the road. The Riptide-like monstrous critter is the only thing that seems super good, and it's like 75pts more than a riptide.

I collect Death Guard (pretty popular around here) amd Minotaurs (haven't seen anyone else collect them in the flesh). If lots of people down here started collecting Minotaurs, the hipster inside me WOULD be disapointed, though not enough to collect dust.

I used to be worried about collecting hipster armies, and then I realized that thousands of people play this game and you're never really going to play something that no one else plays.

A lot of people at my FLGS are bringing Necrons lately and no one plays Daemons, but I keep my Daemons at home and bring my Necrons anyway. At some point you just have to not give a crap about being original and just play the army you like.

Besides, most of the armies that aren't popular are so because they're bad. Sure, I could collect Ravenwing and be special because I'm not a White Scars player or whatever, but they're kinda crappy and I like having a fighting chance.