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Lancer Rules PDF

I sent an email to Forgeworld and they recomended asking the community so here I am. Given that the Skitarii Maniple detachment doesn't contain a LoW slot, I was thinking of running a Imperial Knight detachment with just the Lancer in it. However, the Lancer's rules have me slightly confused

Cerastus Knight-Lancers may be
chosen as part of a Codex: Imperial Knights army as you
would other types of Knight. However, owing to their
rarity in the 41st Millennium, you may not have more
Cerastus Knight-Lancers in your army than you have
Knights of other kinds.

Given that I want to run Skitarii as my primary detachment, do you think it would be legal to run a Lancer in a detachment by itself, given that I'm running a Skitarii army, not a full Imperial Knights army? Or would I need to take a Paladin or something as well?

By the wording of the rule it cannot run on its own.

You cant have more Lancers than knights of another variety.

You have 1 Lancer, 0 Other variety, therefore breaches the rule.

And because you have no LOW slot, you can't take it as a LOW.

Your remaining options are,

Take another detachment which allows a LOW

or, run unbound.

(or field a full knight detachment)

A solo Lancer is an Unbound unit, unless it is filling an IoM LoW lot.

SJ

Alright cheers lads, I'll run a Paladin (or craploads of dunecrawlers?) instead.

Paladins are perfect wih Skitarii, they mesh very well.

SJ

Solo lancer CANNOT be run as unbound. You are still required to follow all the unit requirements in an unbound list. It's the same reason you can't play a game where you have 11 marines in a unit, then 5 other tactical squads of 4 marines all with missile launchers

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Solo lancer CANNOT be run as unbound. You are still required to follow all the unit requirements in an unbound list. It's the same reason you can't play a game where you have 11 marines in a unit, then 5 other tactical squads of 4 marines all with missile launchers

What unit requirements are you speaking of, to field a solo Lancer?

SJ

 jeffersonian000 wrote:

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Solo lancer CANNOT be run as unbound. You are still required to follow all the unit requirements in an unbound list. It's the same reason you can't play a game where you have 11 marines in a unit, then 5 other tactical squads of 4 marines all with missile launchers

What unit requirements are you speaking of, to field a solo Lancer?

SJ

I think it's how it was stated you cannot take more of that lancer than you have of other knights. So if you have no other knights you wouldn't be able to take the lancer basically.

What he said^ if the lancer is alone, then he is a knight detachment. If he is in a knight detachment, then he cannot outnumber other knights in said detachment.

In unbound, you take units, not detachments. Detachments and formations are for Battle Forged.

SJ

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
Detachments and formations are for Battle Forged.

SJ

Although formations still receive their formation benefits when taken as part of an unbound army.

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
In unbound, you take units, not detachments. Detachments and formations are for Battle Forged.

SJ

Codex:Space Marines:

The entire squad may remove their jump packs,(...) They may then take a Drop Pod or Rhino for free as a Dedicated Transport.

The Rhino is a "Unit".

Can i make an unbound army with 25 Free Rhinos (only)? They're all "Units", and i chose them via this option...?

Or, units must still abide by options restrictions, such as having to take the Assault squad (or "owing to their rarity in the 41st Millennium, you may not have more Cerastus Knight-Lancers in your army than you have Knights of other kinds.")

Whilst true, that specific restriction only applies to taking lancers in an imperial knight army.

If you were playing unbound, it could be instantly circumnavigated by saying it is a lord of war slot in some other imperial army, making the restriction meaningless,.

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Whilst true, that specific restriction only applies to taking lancers in an imperial knight army.

If you were playing unbound, it could be instantly circumnavigated by saying it is a lord of war slot in some other imperial army, making the restriction meaningless,.

Only if you take that detachment. If you're filling slots, there must be a detachment to go along with them.

rigeld2 wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Whilst true, that specific restriction only applies to taking lancers in an imperial knight army.

If you were playing unbound, it could be instantly circumnavigated by saying it is a lord of war slot in some other imperial army, making the restriction meaningless,.

Only if you take that detachment. If you're filling slots, there must be a detachment to go along with them.

Not in Unbound.

The following Unbound army is Legal as there is no restriction on Space Marine Lord of War Knight-Lancers

5x (Codex: Space Marine) (Battlefield Role: Lord of War) Knight-Lancers

The following Unbound army is Illegal as you have more Imperial Knights Knight-Lancers in your army than other types of Knights.

5x (Codex: Imperial Knights) (Battlefield Role: Imperial Knight) Knight-Lancers

 Kriswall wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Whilst true, that specific restriction only applies to taking lancers in an imperial knight army.

If you were playing unbound, it could be instantly circumnavigated by saying it is a lord of war slot in some other imperial army, making the restriction meaningless,.

Only if you take that detachment. If you're filling slots, there must be a detachment to go along with them.

Not in Unbound.

The following Unbound army is Legal as there is no restriction on Space Marine Lord of War Knight-Lancers

5x (Codex: Space Marine) (Battlefield Role: Lord of War) Knight-Lancers

The following Unbound army is Illegal as you have more Imperial Knights Knight-Lancers in your army than other types of Knights.

5x (Codex: Imperial Knights) (Battlefield Role: Imperial Knight) Knight-Lancers

Of course, this could indeed be done in this way.

I am just pointing out that "You are still required to follow all the unit requirements in an unbound list." is a correct statement.
If you circumvent this, then it is luck that the "other" option exists.

You could still not, legally, play unbound and field:
5x (Codex: Imperial Knights) (Battlefield Role: Imperial Knight) Knight-Lancers

rigeld2 wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Whilst true, that specific restriction only applies to taking lancers in an imperial knight army.

If you were playing unbound, it could be instantly circumnavigated by saying it is a lord of war slot in some other imperial army, making the restriction meaningless,.

Only if you take that detachment. If you're filling slots, there must be a detachment to go along with them.

The Lancer is a Lord of War Choice. It's stamped right on it's PDF.
The requirement to take 1:1 with other knights is a limitation under the Imperial Knights.
When taking it with another army with the Imperium Faction, it's just a lord of war.

An unbound army have a primary detachment. It's every model in your army that has have same faction as your warlord (page 117).

So you can solo it in unbound, as you circumvent the Codex:Imperial Knights limitation, but unless you take a detachment with a LoW slot, then you're stuck playing unbound. I'd make sure your opponent knows you want to play unbound ahead of time. Or, just run the Paladin.

I think you guys are misinterpreting the Unbound rules. You can in fact take 25 Rhinos as its own army. You cannot take 25 Rhinos with 12 Hunter-Killer rockets on each one, because Rhinos can only take one HK each, not 12.

SJ