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I have to go with The Imperial Fists, Them or the Smurfs. But in the end, Fists just feel like the "shooters" of the marines. Its what they do.

none of em are reknowend beyond the others for accuracy of weapons fire.

Suggesting that Imperial Fists are the same as Angry Marines is not only heresy, it's double heresy.

You deserve to get BLAM'd for that, please report to the nearest inquisitor for immediate purging.

I guess that Raven Guard are so sneaky that they managed to shadow walk their way off your poll?

I'm gonna say Imperial Fists, since they are siege experts. So, long distance sniping doesn't seem out of the ordinary in taking out a well defended enemy stronghold. On the other hand, the Iron Warriors also did siege weaponry and in the Salamanders Omnibus, (can't remember which book it was out of the three in the omnibus) one Salamander was pretty angry at their long distance fighting technique.

Due to Sacred Standard of Devastation Dark Angels can outshoot Imperial Fists if it cimes for bolters. So my voice is for them.

Ultramarines, definitely.

Whether laying down disciplined bolter fire, charging the foe with chainswords roaring, or pounding them into submission with their heavy weapons, none can equal the Ultramarines’ skill.

Then there's Telion, and his training.

the Ultramarines can boast the most skilled marksmen of any Space Marine Chapter.

Alpha Legion - no bolter round is ever wasted!

 Lammikkovalas wrote:
Suggesting that Imperial Fists are the same as Angry Marines is not only heresy, it's double heresy.

You deserve to get BLAM'd for that, please report to the nearest inquisitor for immediate purging.

shhhhhhh What know you of us inquisitors?


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 King Pariah wrote:
I guess that Raven Guard are so sneaky that they managed to shadow walk their way off your poll?

they are so sneaky they don't need to practice shooting, they just sneak up and roflslice the enemy throats :3

I mean, would any of them be more physically able to control recoil and practice precision with a bolter? I would say Iron Hands, only because their augments might make them steadier shots.

The differences between all their accuracy abilities is probably so negligent that it makes no real discernible difference which you choose, as they are all so close to each other that it is irrelevant.

I'd agree with OP and say IF or UM. IF for their general bolter skills, and UM for Telion. RG are good, but I'd say they are more snipers, not actually better battlefield shots.

 Ignatius wrote:
The differences between all their accuracy abilities is probably so negligent that it makes no real discernible difference which you choose, as they are all so close to each other that it is irrelevant.

Yeah, I mean they're all nearly genetically identical and have much of the same gear. There would realistically be no real noticeable difference in potential skill.

However!! I like to imagine a more reckless chapter being less discernible with their fire and spraying more frantically into the fray, where a more methodical and precise chapter might take more time per shot.

With bolters beeing kinda short ranged... i dont see how a great marksman skill would show.

The White Scars get the most practice firing while on the move, what with their large biker forces.

 Keep wrote:
With bolters beeing kinda short ranged... i dont see how a great marksman skill would show.

I think the short ranged nature is more due to tabletop balancing. In novels they are able to pick off targets at great distances (100's of yards, like a modern rifle can), but it would be pretty lame to have every gun on a 6' table blasting from end to end.

 Keep wrote:
With bolters beeing kinda short ranged... i dont see how a great marksman skill would show.

Bolters have a range up to two kilometers.

 Keep wrote:
With bolters beeing kinda short ranged... i dont see how a great marksman skill would show.

If you've ever shot a firearm before then you'd know very well that there can be a massive difference in the accuracy of individuals from ranges as low as 25m, much less distances of 400M+ (the range most engagements occur in).

 Ignatius wrote:

 Keep wrote:
With bolters beeing kinda short ranged... i dont see how a great marksman skill would show.

If you've ever shot a firearm before then you'd know very well that there can be a massive difference in the accuracy of individuals from ranges as low as 25m, much less distances of 400M+ (the range most engagements occur in).

But this is considering a human marksmen, not a giant trained super soldier in powered armor and targeting optics.

For single best individual (excluding primarchs) sniper or gunfighter one of the Emperor's Children, as a legion I'd say Iron Warriors. Same sige expertise as the Imperial Fists but the IW have to move in while the IF just sit there. Additionally while the UltraSmurfs and Hourus' legions are the "best" legions they don't excell at any one thing while the IW and IF are masters of blasting the snot out of stuff.

TLDR: Iron within! Iron without!

Admittedly there can be a big difference between rules and fluff these days, but I think the Bolter Drill portion of the Imperial Fists Chapter Tactics kinda answers this question..

In forgeworlds 30K list, Imperial Fists get +1BS when shooting bolter weapons, so forgeworld must consider them to be pretty good.

Other then that, I must admit to a lack of knowledge to any legion outside of the Dark Angels, so I'm inclined to follow forgeworlds line.

From sheer amount of practice, Imperial Fists.

To your glory and his on the Earth!

Fist because of Lysander's bolter drills or possibly smurfs for Sgt Tellion

Dark Angels because Cypher.

 Ignatius wrote:

 Keep wrote:
With bolters beeing kinda short ranged... i dont see how a great marksman skill would show.

If you've ever shot a firearm before then you'd know very well that there can be a massive difference in the accuracy of individuals from ranges as low as 25m, much less distances of 400M+ (the range most engagements occur in).

Seconded, And furthermore, it's not all about precision marksmanship at range. It's also important to be able to make quick reflex shots, and to shoot consistently. And given the amount of training and technological assistance Space Marines have in that regard, on the battlefield they're all BS4 for a reason. Even the most "fierce" chapters don't spray and pray. They may advance more aggressively and use the bolter as a tool to get to close combat more often, but even Space Wolves and Blood Angels know how to pick their shots carefully.

Bolter drill

Night Lords......just one bolter round to start the fear chain reaction

Fluff-wise IMHO:
Loyalists:
Sniping - Raven Guard. As for Ultrasmurfs marksman boasting...well i do not remember any instance when Ravens BOAST
Ultras - best firing discipline, best group firing patterns - it's not always about 1 shot 1 kill after all, there's things like suppressive fire and target distribution.

As for Traitors...Khornits are out of questions, Slaaneshi possibly have best individual marksmen but they're rare due to excess specialisation, Tzeench's followers long to use dark arts, while nurglits just don't ring a bell in same phrase with accuracy - unlike phrase inluding 'splash damage'.
Thus - some of Chaos Undivided, most probably Alpha as snipers and Black Legion in battle.

Once again the Imperial Fists prove they are de best. Siege Master FTW.