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I play CSM and I have a game against elder coming up and I'm looking for some tactics against eldar. This is my first game against newdar and I don't know what he's bringing.

Good luck you are gonna need it...

It's hard to offer advice without knowing anything about the Eldar and Chaos lists.

youre gonna need lots of lascannons to bring down the wraithknight. so a las pred, las havoc squad and perhaps a flexible oblit squad should go in your hs section.

noise marines with sonic blasters will also do quite well against eldar

make use of the little cheese you have available and bring a 2+ cover save nurgle winged ml3 dp with black mace

a 3++ inv chaos sorc or lord in terminator armor with sigil and mot leading a mot terminator squad is also pretty resilient against low AP eldar shenanigans

Heldrakes to flame the eldar troops, unless the elves bring 3 crimson hunters...

Is it Better to give the nurgle prince a black mace or a balesword

 Sir Arun wrote:
youre gonna need lots of lascannons to bring down the wraithknight. so a las pred, las havoc squad and perhaps a flexible oblit squad should go in your hs section.
noise marines with sonic blasters will also do quite well against eldar
make use of the little cheese you have available and bring a 2+ cover save nurgle winged ml3 dp with black mace
a 3++ inv chaos sorc or lord in terminator armor with sigil and mot leading a mot terminator squad is also pretty resilient against low AP eldar shenanigans

Noise marines are paying 240 points for 2 shots that kill a jetbike without cover. Which is a lot. Or you can take your 2 shots at a skimmer, but that's really a lot of points for very little impact. Noise Marines are great at killing DE, not so much vs eldar.

Eldar doesn't get much that ignores cover, so getting into cover is valid now.
T5 matters, since much of eldar is S6. Nurgle Bikes and Nurgle Spawns are both fast enough to cause some problems, and much more durable that other options.

Tzeench Terminators is a trap. You're paying so much for each model, you'd be more durable just running regular chaos marines. Eldar are going to be throwing lots of AP5 or worse, or AP2 shooting at you.
6 wounds at AP6 kills 2 marines or 1 terminator. Since the terminator is more than twice as expensive, marines hold up better (just take more). If he's flinging AP2 at you, you should be in cover.

If you're using forgeworld, Rapiers give you a chance at eldar. T7 weapon station with a good gun is nice.
Outside of that, good luck. Hope that the black mace gets it done, before the warlock takes away your shrouding and the dark repears erase your DP.

My money is on the black mace. Simply because it doesn't require the prince to be a psyker. I think both are comparably lethal, but the balesword requires you to roll on biomancy for that +3 strength or your wounding on 6s. The Mace also doesn't require you to also pay for a troops choice. So the mace will be much cheaper. The balesword is slightly more dangerous though, as it prevents feel no pain.

Hou bout Jug lord with axe of blinded fury , flashbane ap 2 ton of atacks at initiative 5 ?

Heldrakes are your friend. If he has any infantry at all they're toast when the turkey comes calling.

I also suggest Heldrakes with the flamer as Eldar generally lack much AA (crimson hunters are a bit crap and not that common)

As for generic tactics rather than list building;

1. If you can't shoot down a WK in 1 turn or tie it up with something cheaper and stomp resistant then just ignore it. It will do damage in any variant but nothing makes me happier than my opponent throwing all his shooting for multiple turns at trying to kill it while my other fragile units remain unmolested.

2. Target priority - Wriathguard and their transports (will kill anything they touch, scythe guys impossible to charge so shoot them up and they will die), Jetbikes (even without scatter lasers they are exceptional objective grabbers and you only need to kill 1 of the usual 3 to force a leadership check)

3. Deep striking can upset the eldar back field and force them to spend a turn fleeing

4. Warpspiders are insanely difficult to catch as they will run away if you try to shoot them but if they do get close to a unit with decent range (24''+) or the heldrake then roast them - remember they jump before the template is set so you can follow them with it if they don't jump too far

Hard to suggest much else without knowing the eldar list - I've guessed the currently most powerful units.

General suggestions:
-Plaguemarines standing in cover objectives.
-Deepstriking special weapons (raptors, terminators).
-Ordinay marines might do OK. Dont underestimate simple units with bolters, plasma and power armour against eldar.
Need a few expendable units though, to make an annoying opponent for the elves.
And make use of cover.

If you have lots of cover units with plasma they will be the ones to take out the bigger threaths.

Helldrakes are without a doubt the scariest thing for an Eldar player. They are incredibly hard to kill unless crimson hunters are taken and even then the drakes are still good. A single Helldrake can destroy an entire unit per turn with the vector wing slap and flamer attack which is just devastating. Besides that if you are playing with a LoW you need to have a plan for the wraith knight, either killing it or simply keeping it occupied in melee with some sort of throwaway units.

what about a blob of cultists? i think i have around 35

 Alienoid wrote:
what about a blob of cultists? i think i have around 35

I would think that Shuriken Cannons and Scatter Lasers would eat cultists alive.

what throwaway units would you say to use against the WK then?

 Alienoid wrote:
what throwaway units would you say to use against the WK then?

Probably Nurgle spawn. They wont get ID by his S10 attacks in combat, that is, if he doesnt take the sword.

 extremefreak17 wrote:

 Alienoid wrote:
what throwaway units would you say to use against the WK then?

Probably Nurgle spawn. They wont get ID by his S10 attacks in combat, that is, if he doesnt take the sword.

Even if he does take the sword, you won't lose them all, unless he gets really lucky on the rolls. Even then, it's expensive to tie him up.
I would suggest option 3. Don't tie up or kill the wraith lord. Ignore it, and take it's beating. Focus on everything else, and let him take his shots and charge.
Run lots of cheaper units to counter the wraith knight; it counters the value of what he can kill.
At least that worked for my DE.

-Matt


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For 1850 with double CAD, I'd do something like this:
2x Daemon princes of nurgle, wings, power armor. One with Black Mace, other with Burning Brand.
4x10 cultists
2x3 Nurgle Bikes, champ with melta bombs
3x3 nurgle bikes, 2x flamers and champ with m. bombs
1 Hell Drake
6 units of 1 Obliterator with mark of tzeench

Bikes try and charge into any non-dedicated combat unit.
Obliterators target transports with wraith guard first.
Daemon princes and hell drake do the heavy lifting.
Cultists go into cover and go to ground and hope not to break.