How often do you challenge?

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**DontEatRawHagis**

I typically go up against CSM so I'm always challenging to my detriment. I was wondering how this is affecting other people. Typically when I don't go up against CSM I never challenge due to the fragility of Orks.

**Jimsolo**

If my character stands a good chance of A) killing any enemy character before getting hit back, or B) ignoring any attacks the enemy could dish out, I will always challenge. Otherwise not.

Challenges aren't as horrible as they were in 6th, so it's much less of a big deal now.

**SBG**

I don't often get the chance- my Tyranid swarm has very few characters. The one time I did challenge, my Warrior Prime was crushed by a PK Warboss. :p

**Slayer-Fan123**

Every time I use Asterion because it's a free victory point.

**vipoid**

- Imperial Guard... I don't think I've ever issued a challenge. The only time I can recall accepting one with a character was when I'd finally run out of expendable sergeants (the unit was literally down to a commissar lord and one guardsman).

- DE I can recall challenging with an Archon against orks in the one game I used him. Basically because I had bought a soul trap and was going to use it even if it killed him.

Other than that though, I rarely (if ever) issue challenges. My characters are amongst the worst and squishiest in the game, and I see little need to put them in additional danger. I've also learned my lesson after accepting challenges for fun, and having Haemonculi die to basic sergeants.

- With my Necrons, it will depend on how confident I feel about tanking the enemy character's hits. I'll probably challenge against most sergeants though. Also, I'm very likely to challenge against T3 characters - since my warscythe/voidblade can ID them.

**djphranq**

I think last time I played I did it when ever I could. I kind of like the one on one battles that characters can have. It kind of does some sort of narrative forging.

**Frozocrone**

Done it once for banter and that's because it was my Flyrant on the ground against a Tau Commander.

Hardly ever do it with my DE. I don't really take characters, one is maximum as I do want Warlord Traits.

With Orks if I can kill the character and not take much damage (eg Warboss on Bike) then I will, otherwise I leave it.

**Kain**

Back when the Swarmlord was good; a lot of times to get rid of snowflake models.

**FenixPhox**

I'm forced to challenge, but I don't mind

**ColonelFazackerley**

The challenge mechanic mostly slows the game down for little benefit.

I try it if, for example, I think they may refuse, and thus lose some attacks.

**Martel732**

I try to pretend that rule doesn't exist.

**vipoid**

ColonelFazackerley wrote:
The challenge mechanic mostly slows the game down for little benefit.

It also just seems to be a 'screw you' to the armies who don't have tanky characters.

**EmpNortonII**

I think the OP it'd be funny if the OP changed the "Never" option to "Tau."

**Kain**

EmpNortonII wrote:
I think the OP it'd be funny if the OP changed the "Never" option to "Tau."

Unless you're farsight or are feeling really lucky with that Onager gauntlet.

**Peregrine**

Never. And if I'm ever challenged I will always decline the challenge to maximize my chances of losing combat and failing my morale test.

**Ratius**

Am I right in thinking if a single character challenges another character that has a retinue, the single character can be hit and killed in combat if he kills his opponent by the retinue?
I had to reread that twice today to be sure?

Thats a big change since 6th no?

**Mr Morden**

Usually when it seems fun or in character

**vipoid**

It would be in character for my Archon to accept a challenge, then have his men shoot the guy in the back the moment he turns his back. Oddly, that option doesn't appear to be available.

**ColonelFazackerley**

Ratius wrote:
Am I right in thinking if a single character challenges another character that has a retinue, the single character can be hit and killed in combat if he kills his opponent by the retinue?
I had to reread that twice today to be sure?

Thats a big change since 6th no?

Not sure I understand your question. Excess wounds spill in and out of challenges now. That is a change since 6th. It's a big less shenanigany than it used to be.

**Drasius**

Ratius wrote:
Am I right in thinking if a single character challenges another character that has a retinue, the single character can be hit and killed in combat if he kills his opponent by the retinue?
I had to reread that twice today to be sure?

Thats a big change since 6th no?

Yes. He can also be killed by the retinue before he strikes if the hangers on strike before he does.

Example;

Pre-fight - Lone Ork Warboss with Power Klaw challenges Assault Marine Sargent With Power Fist.
Init. 4 - 9 Assault Marines get their nomal attacks in on the Warboss (instead of standing around providing a re-roll like in 6th), rolling really well while the Warboss rolls poorly. Warboss dies before he swings (and the Sarge doesn't get to swing either, cause he has no targets left)
End of Combat - Assault marines consolidate d6.

2nd Example;

Pre-Fight - Ork Warboss on a Bike with Power Klaw in a group of Boys challenges Assault Marine Sargent With Power Maul.
Init. 4 - 9 Assault Marines get their nomal attacks in, killing some boys but may not allocate attacks against the Warboss until all other combatants (Boys) are killed.
- Sarge gets his attacks against the Warboss, causing a single wound.
Init. 3 - Remaining Boys get their attacks, killing some assault marines. They also may not allocate against the Sarge until all other combatants (Assault marines) are killed.
Init. 1 - Warboss splats the sarge, doing 2 wounds, killing him with the 1st one. The remaining unsaved wound caused by the Warboss spills over to the remaining Assault Marines.
End of Combat - Total Casualties, take morale check, check for sweep, etc.

**j31c3n**

I play shooty Space Marines and my primary opponent plays Tau. We don't even know the assault rules.

**beigeknight**

As an Ork player chock full of initative 2, I say pretty much never unless I think it would be funny.

**Lance845**

I play nids so... When my malanthrope gets in there?

**SharkoutofWata**

Playing Tyranids, Eldar/Dark Eldar, Blood Angels and Chaos put me on the 'you ain't got a choice about it' spectrum but for my Marine armies I do try to Challenge as often as possible. I don't bother for if my Tactical squads get charged, since I never charge them into combat myself and just take the extra rapid fire shots instead, but most of the other squads have an Independent Character of one kind or another that has something useful. If they have something really useful, I'll have a Sergeant challenge just so the Independent Character doesn't have to worry about an enemy Independent as much.

**chazz huggins**

I play ork Ghazkull supplement so I'm forced to however even if I played vanilla orks I'd still always challenge as that s one of the most epic moments in 40k. Imagine a warboss and his boyz surrounded by tyranids, the nids are tearing the ork boyz apart thanks to the help of their brood lord, but then the warboss and brood lord come to single combat, the ork is able to slay the brood lord which sends the nids fleeing. Or perhaps a white scar captain who has been tasked to slay a traitor and when the two finally meet the captain's pride forces him to duel. Moments like those make an exemplary game of 40k

**luky7dayz**

Kain wrote:
EmpNortonII wrote:
I think the OP it'd be funny if the OP changed the "Never" option to "Tau."

Unless you're farsight or are feeling really lucky with that Onager gauntlet.

I won a lucky challenge with an Onager gauntlet vs an ork nob. I doubt ill ever get that lucky again!

**SilverMK2**

All the time with my fething csm. Never with anything else because it is a fricking stupid game mechanic that just slows things up for little if any benefit.

**Furyou Miko**

Fairly often. My squad leaders with Sisters are literal throwaway heroes (just a regular Sister with the character rule), so it is rarely to my disadvantage to tie up an opposing character.