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Hello

My friend wants to ally Tyranids to his Chaos Marines. Fluff-wise it is totally impossible, BUT I've got an idea of 'lobomized tyranids', making the radio controlled.
Synapse rule may act as range of radio signal transmitters fitted on original Synapse Creatures. Theese creatures may be controlled by one or multiple servitors.

How much is this idea legit?

Background:
Small tendril of *random* hive fleet had made a planetfall on Chaos controlled planet. Traitors managed to blow their Hive ship out of the sky, leaving the tyranids without Hive mind.
Tyranids turned feral and Chaos Marines managed to isolate a group of tyranids,tranquilized them and handled them to Dark Mechanicus to perform the surgery.
Computers have been implanted inside their brains, allowing the Chaos Marines to remote controll the Tyranids.


By then, modified Tyranid beasts are serving their masters...

P.S. I'm not a Tyranid expert, forgive me if I made a mistake.

i dont see why not fluff wise as in a ciaphas cain novel the last ditch regular admech were testing groups of tyranids in a research base so dark mech would be only too happy to fiddle with tyranids

For Chaos, it's even easier, depending on what biomorphs he wants to ally.

For Grunt-bugs:

1) Separate Tyranids from Synapse Creature, thus cutting them off from the Hive Mind.
2) Possess Tyranid with Daemon
3) Unleash Daemon-Bug on foes.
4) Profit!

 dekinrie wrote:
i dont see why not fluff wise as in a ciaphas cain novel the last ditch regular admech were testing groups of tyranids in a research base so dark mech would be only too happy to fiddle with tyranids[/quote

Wasn't it The Greater Good? I might be mistaken but I thought it was that one. Either way, both are good reads

They can do it for sure.For example in Storm of Iron the Warsmaith took a Tyranid ship with sorcery and the Oblitarator Virus.

Yeah he took over a bio form ship that could haul multiple titans, of warlord and empror class so no small thing to break its connection to hive mind.

Lesser beings I see no problem put on dark mek remote control plus some chaos magics.

I think it's an original and fluffy idea. Just go for it !

Tyranids are bred to die within hours, days at most, get eaten, put into digestion pools, reabsorbed and rebred.

Their bodies lack the organs needed for prolonged existence. For instance, they do not actually have digestive tracks most of the time. When they "eat" things they store all the biomass in a gullet until they are stuffed and then willingly drag their bloated bodies into digestion pools.

If someone could lobotomize a nid and radio control it they would at best have a a few minutes to an hour to control it before it just died of natural causes.

I don't see why it wouldn't be possible chaos can warp reality

Dark mek can do some crazy stuff, I'm sure putting some twisted life support is not impossible to do.

Implant nutrient pumps from digested slaves or somthing.
Maybe a corupted norn queen as well to replace them as needed.

Lock therm in stasis.

Definitely possible, but the more ambitious the project the more likely the Tyranids are to start to secretly start building up some independence and before you know it your forces are being assaulted by a "free" Tyranid infestation.

While you cannot "corrupt" a Tyranid as it doesn't have the right sort of mental make-up, you can certainly "possess" one in the same way that you can possess a stone or some metal. The physical form simply becomes a vessel for Warp-stuff.

The Hive Ship overtaken by the Obliterator virus is implied to be an enormous feat for the forces of Chaos; the attending bioships had to be beaten off, the Tyranid defenders inside exterminated and then the mind and body of the Hive Ship itself broken. This took *ages*, and was only possible after the beaten, nearly dead Hive Ship was dragged into the Eye of Terror.

It could be a really cool idea if well executed

Thank you for feedback Much apprecitaded

Modelwise, every Tyranid lesser creature would have a little antenna on their head and some wiring. Maybe tanks with nutrient liquid.
Larger creatures, like Carnifex, would have multiple antennas and some more "tech stuff" on them, maybe additional metal armor on their carapace.
Synapse creatures would have antenna arrays, a servitor wired to them and some "tech stuff" like batteries, solar panels, or combustion generator...

Sounds good. Back when we'd play 2nd edition as youngsters we'd make up all sorts of weird scenarios to play what is now 'Unbound' with the miniatures we had.

Lance845 wrote:
Tyranids are bred to die within hours, days at most, get eaten, put into digestion pools, reabsorbed and rebred.

Their bodies lack the organs needed for prolonged existence. For instance, they do not actually have digestive tracks most of the time. When they "eat" things they store all the biomass in a gullet until they are stuffed and then willingly drag their bloated bodies into digestion pools.

If someone could lobotomize a nid and radio control it they would at best have a a few minutes to an hour to control it before it just died of natural causes.

Papa burgle doesn't care, he has the means to keep them alive, as would the other chaos gods if they deemed them worthy.

Maybe some taken over by obliteror virus, bio metal armour plating, cables, bio weaponry replaced, big beasties like carnifexs or dakka fexs.

 Psienesis wrote:
For Chaos, it's even easier, depending on what biomorphs he wants to ally.

For Grunt-bugs:

1) Separate Tyranids from Synapse Creature, thus cutting them off from the Hive Mind.
2) Possess Tyranid with Daemon
3) Unleash Daemon-Bug on foes.
4) Profit!

This by no means can backfire horribly.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Lance845 wrote:
Tyranids are bred to die within hours, days at most, get eaten, put into digestion pools, reabsorbed and rebred.

Their bodies lack the organs needed for prolonged existence. For instance, they do not actually have digestive tracks most of the time. When they "eat" things they store all the biomass in a gullet until they are stuffed and then willingly drag their bloated bodies into digestion pools.

If someone could lobotomize a nid and radio control it they would at best have a a few minutes to an hour to control it before it just died of natural causes.

Papa burgle doesn't care, he has the means to keep them alive, as would the other chaos gods if they deemed them worthy.

The bigger issue is the length of time. Yeah, with experimentation and what have you you could eventually do this. But when your specimens constantly die on you before you even get them to the lab you have a bigger issue of not even being able to experiment. Just saying. It's not as easy as "keep a few gaunts in a cage". They do not function that way.

Lance845 649668 7854372 wrote:The bigger issue is the length of time. Yeah, with experimentation and what have you you could eventually do this. But when your specimens constantly die on you before you even get them to the lab you have a bigger issue of not even being able to experiment. Just saying. It's not as easy as "keep a few gaunts in a cage". They do not function that way.

If that is truly the case I would love to hear your explanation for the Anphelion Project.

The constant death and rebirth is how they managed to diversify. From gaunts and genestealers to flyrants, harridans, heirodules, and heirophants.

Or did you think genestealers grow up to be hive tyrants?

With the AP, the gaunts were fenced off into natural environments. They almost immediately lost track of their numbers and then began to notice changes. By the time it was all said and done biotitans were all over the damn place.

This will surely end in tears for everyone involved. How very 40k.

I'm not saying don't build the models and play the game. Go nutts. Have a ball. But fluff wise its just not as simple as the op proposes.

Go crazy, its chaos maybe they captured a ship, and transplanted the norn queen to surface, and basicly hot housed a small tyranid colony fed on slaves then hunt and capture them in a whole evil bait traps or such.

Controlled factory of them until it all goes wrong, maybe they did some dodgey stuff to control what is made.

Like dark mek farming, of the most deadly creatures ever!
Fool proof lol

Lance845 wrote:
Tyranids are bred to die within hours, days at most, get eaten, put into digestion pools, reabsorbed and rebred.

Their bodies lack the organs needed for prolonged existence. For instance, they do not actually have digestive tracks most of the time. When they "eat" things they store all the biomass in a gullet until they are stuffed and then willingly drag their bloated bodies into digestion pools.

If someone could lobotomize a nid and radio control it they would at best have a a few minutes to an hour to control it before it just died of natural causes.

And Daemons don't need to eat, drink, sleep or breathe at all, so a damonically-possessed Tyranid (which is technically already dead, since the Daemon twisting its form into whatever it found pleasing has almost certainly interrupted whatever biological processes it once had) doesn't need to worry about that. Chaos gives not a single feth about the "natural order" of things.

It's possible, but it take so much resources that its not cost effective. I mean, you need to operate all of them to lobotomize and implant the control devices. Much better to simply use some cultists for fodder.

Weyland-Yutani wanted to try this I believe. This would make make for a great story if you throw in a dash of Starcraft and has the insane people of AdMech try to control a Tyraninid thingy of great power and prowess with drugs. Of course it would go very very wrong.

Is this part of a fanfiction story or just wanting to use both races in a table top game?

In terms of a plotline for a story IMO it's probably easier to just make up a new alien race that Chaos forces enslaved through lobotomization, and then throw in a Tyranid plot twist where crap fits the fan.

He wants to use Tyranids and allies to his CSM and we are trying to justify it... And also a part of a backstory of his warband.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
For Chaos, it's even easier, depending on what biomorphs he wants to ally.

For Grunt-bugs:

1) Separate Tyranids from Synapse Creature, thus cutting them off from the Hive Mind.
2) Possess Tyranid with Daemon
3) Unleash Daemon-Bug on foes.
4) Profit!

This by no means can backfire horribly.

chaos wouldnt have it any other way.

Please, please do this and make P&M blog. I DEMAND IT.

I have a friend that owned a converted Tyranid army in which every creature was festooned with techy goodness and beautifully painted.
The fluff was that the Adeptus Mechanicus had captured a group and wired them up to be controllable.
Sadly the army took a dive onto the road and was shattered.