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Well it came to me recently as I realized that majority of my army is mixed from bits and models that stretch through pretty much all editions.
So i wanted to ask you fellow dakkanauts, what is your opinion on people who keep using outdated bits and models along new ones.

I know that there might be issues because majority of older models tend to be smaller than new ones.

I personally like to see the older models on the field and most people I've met are of the same opinion. Reminds me of when I started 40k seeing the old metal one piece models lol.

There's no issue at all. Plenty of people use models dating all the way back to Rogue Trader. They sometimes stick out due to the style, but no one has an issue with them. The only time things get sticky, is, for example, is when things are vastly different than their current incarnations. For example, I'd certainly raise an eyebrow if someone showed up with an Eldar army composed completely of the latest model kits, EXCEPT for their Avatar, which was the old 28mm tall metal model.

On the other hand, if they're whole army was a mix of old and new models, I'd shrug and not care.

Old models need the most love.
No issue whatsoever for me.

 Whiskered wrote:
Well it came to me recently as I realized that majority of my army is mixed from bits and models that stretch through pretty much all editions.
So i wanted to ask you fellow dakkanauts, what is your opinion on people who keep using outdated bits and models along new ones.

I know that there might be issues because majority of older models tend to be smaller than new ones.

Full discloser: I’m crazy biased. I field my RTB01 marines in their old rhino, and deepstrike metal terminators on their small bases.

The size difference is not as bad for most things as it’s made out to be. Depending a lot on the individual model, of course. Some are worse then others. For the most part the size difference is a wash. You might be harder to see, but by the same token, have a harder time seeing other units. Somethings that do have an impact are an easy fix. Base changes being one of them. Some people will have an issue with things on small bases. There are pros and cons to each, smaller unit footprints, vs. more guys under templates.

I field a mix of stuff from the RT onward, and in all my years of play nobody has ever complained. I’ve received a number of compliments on the old stuff though; people enjoy seeing the old fossils out on the table.

This is one issue where YMMV though. Especially if you play in a more competitive environment a/o with fussy people. But at the end of the day, they are official GW minis, so you should be OK for most games.

I like seeing old models. Unless its the really old Tyranids, those things are hideous.

But I have run in to an issue where I have one of the old metal Deff Dreads, and 3 new killa kans. The old deff dread is only slightly larger than the killa kans, and really the big difference is that it has two guns on it's torso and it legs are a little further apart.

I haven't used these guys since 7th edition came out, and actually have yet to field the killa kans in a game. But once I get them painted up, I will be sure to notify my opponent that this is not a fourth kan, it is indeed, a deff dread.

Unless its the really old Tyranids, those things are hideous.

You just made some enemies.....

I think I'm with the consensus on this one. Old models don't mesh with my preferences as far as aesthetics go (I like the look of the newer models a lot more in like 90% of cases), but I'd never try to tell someone else they couldn't use them. The size differences don't really matter that much.

There is absolutely no rules issues with old models or even old models on their original bases. The book very clearly states so.

There is a certain collector's pride to fielding old models and some of the old models are extremely cool and characterful.

Aesthetic's many collectors use old models as special one off characters and standout pieces. Some extreme collectors will field only old models to maintain the aesthetic of the army. I am a center piece with the old models I like a lot and mostly new models, except in my complete older armies which are original OOP metal models for the entire things with only new models for stuff that didn't exist before.

I'm down to clown.

I never understand why this would ever be a problem. This bunch of lads and their mates, pretty much an entire Rogue Trader guard army, take to the field of battle in 7th edition:

It's only really a problem for a couple models. RT Avatar is ridiculously small and the Gorkamorka trukk can get cover behind grots. Those are the only two that generally come up.

I have no issue with it. I have an old 2nd Ed Vindicator that sees battle (playing as a Thunderer Siege Tank) and not a soul has complained about Lil'Vindy.

He's physically smaller than a real Rhino but not by much. So no one has complained.

Good recent example of petre's point would be looking at the scale of the new bloodthirster kit versus the previous one. It begins to become a LoS concern at those scales. Another reason would be the base size differences can make an impact, positive or negative. Flesh hounds just went from bike ovals to 50mm rounds and this changes how the unit as a whole since its footprint is now much larger.

Again, I'd be game for playing with old models, but I try to keep my stuff based to current proportions and my counts-as models are of relative same size. I also wouldn't want to ditch old models just because their old. I've rehabbed a number already.

 pretre wrote:
It's only really a problem for a couple models. RT Avatar is ridiculously small and the Gorkamorka trukk can get cover behind grots. Those are the only two that generally come up.

Fair do's. Though, it'd depend on context in some way. If someone plonked down a full Rogue Trader Eldar force, replete with said Avatar, the objections wouldn't be as great as, say, plonking down a modern Eldar army with the lead classic hidden among them. Same for the Ork Trukk, but I'd prefer it if they had this:

Spoiler'd due to being large:

I prefer older bits and models, where possible.

I love the older Imperial Armies. The Xenos ones seem to get less ugly as time goes buy. Opposite is true for the Imperial Guard or Space Marines etc.

 Ratius wrote:

Unless its the really old Tyranids, those things are hideous.

You just made some enemies.....

Unless you take his statement at it's word, which maybe means he was talking about the really old Tyranids?

I love that old model! As someone who has played the game since 2nd edition, I am as biased as they come. Especially considering that I am currently revamping a force of squats. Anyways, models have changed in scale but it is not as if there is a consistency in size vs. stats across current armies as is, so I don't really see it being a problem.

Im ok with old models but in the context that the person didnt just buy them because they are much smaller or what not to get an advantage.

This only applies to people i know.

As long as its painted and doesn't look like bargain bin garbage then i think its ace.

I love all my old models because they have been with me for the better part of 20 years. Just looking at 2nd edition or Rogue Trader models makes me nostalgic.

Yeah, most of my stuff is ancient, and metal.

If anyone told me I couldn't field them because they are 20 years old, I would look at them for a second, shrug, then find someone else to play against.

Old models are 'go' as far as I am concerned.

I don't see an 'expiration' date on the packaging, old or new.

All I ask of my opponent is that if there is a size difference (such as RT Termies and modern Termies) they not mix and match the models within a unit.

 Portugal Jones wrote:
There's no issue at all. Plenty of people use models dating all the way back to Rogue Trader. They sometimes stick out due to the style, but no one has an issue with them. The only time things get sticky, is, for example, is when things are vastly different than their current incarnations. For example, I'd certainly raise an eyebrow if someone showed up with an Eldar army composed completely of the latest model kits, EXCEPT for their Avatar, which was the old 28mm tall metal model.

On the other hand, if they're whole army was a mix of old and new models, I'd shrug and not care.

Who cares if someone took an old model as an advantage? GW has stated that you use models as they were designed and packaged. There is nothing that says a model becomes obsolete.

I love seeing the old stuff on the table.

"herp-a-derp, I'm a landspeeder."

As long as the scale isn't egregiously out of date (like the rogue trader era avatar of khaine was barely any taller than any other eldar) sure, why not?

So long as it's clear what they are on the tabletop are I'd say it's fine, although GW moving from true(ish) 25mm scale to more or less 30mm scale these days does mean odd size variables if you mix and match

That said I'm eternally grateful for the newer plastic models that don't fall over each time you move them like metal jetbikes and wraithguard

Sometimes its an issue of scale.

An old Ork Trukk is nowhere near as big as a new Ork Trukk, and an old Greater Daemon is the size of a Bloodletter, for a couple examples that pop in my mind off-hand.

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
So long as it's clear what they are on the tabletop are I'd say it's fine, although GW moving from true(ish) 25mm scale to more or less 30mm scale these days does mean odd size variables if you mix and match

That said I'm eternally grateful for the newer plastic models that don't fall over each time you move them like metal jetbikes and wraithguard

25mm are bases, the game is 28mm. In the case of GW, though, like you said, it's slightly bigger. That's because GW uses what they call Heroic 28mm. Basically 28mm with cartoonish bulk.
The next level that you see in for example Wyrd Miniatures Malifuax is 32mm scale. They're slightly taller, but not as bulky as GW. And then there is GW inconsistancy...

If you compare a Skitarii to a space marine, the skitarii is slightly taller. Space marines are supposed to be gargantuan humans... in even bigger armour.
Skitarii are just humans that have been surgically enhanced with adamantium limbs.

But I guess in the year 40.000 with humans hailing from planets with all sorts of different environments, it's not unlikely that on some planets 2.5 meters is the average height. I guess we just need to forge the narrative harder.