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So it is possible to field a formation that costs 1850 points. Formations are considered detachments. However, if the formation has no HQ is it still battle-forged? Blood Oath formation - hellforged hunting pack - is 1850 points. But it does not follow the requirements of an FoC. Can this be fielded as a battle-forged army? Is it tournament legal? The Blood Oath book states that it is 40k approved but so is unbound.

For the forth time today... A Formation is a Detachment. An army is made up of Detachments. A Battleforged army is made up of ANY Detachment(s). The FOC is not a thing anymore. A CAD is a thing and a CAD is a Detachment, just like Formations. So yes, you can make an army out of Formations.

Literally the forth person that has asked today... I'm wondering if a new book hit the torrent sites.

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
The FOC is not a thing anymore.

Actually, the FOC is a thing. It's the thing that a detachment uses to lay out the Choices/Slots/Options available to it.

It's just not what it was in 5th.

Yes. For example you can have a baronial court formation of imperial knights right by a strike force deathstorm formation from blood angels.

Or just use Dante's avenging host formation as your whole army.

As long as every model is in a detachment, you are running a bound list.

A Combined Arms detachment is one kind of detachment.
A Formation is another.
Both are legal and battle-forged.

A "Force Organisation Chart"-based detachment (like the Combined Arms Detachment, but also Planetstrike Detachments, Allied Detachments, and race-specific stuff like the Grey Knights Nemesis Strike Force) have 'slots', allowing you to tailor what units you take.

Formations are less flexible, because they generally say "you will have unit X" rather than "you may have a unit with the Fast Attack role", but you get the payback that they often give you units in combinations impossible in force organisation charts (like a detachment of only elites), and/or tend to have much more powerful command benefits (a combined arms detachment gets Objective Secured, several formations to date give you stuff like hundreds of points of 'free' wargear).

If you don't have an HQ, that's no issue. Your warlord just has to be a character if possible - a squad sergeant is fine.
If you don't have any characters, then your warlord can be any model, but he doesn't get a warlord trait - he just gets the "slay the warlord" bullseye on his head - but its still perfectly legal and battleforged.

Specifically, yes, you can take an 1850 point army of nothing but the Hellforged Hunting Pack.

 felixcat wrote:

So it is possible to field a formation that costs 1850 points. Formations are considered detachments. However, if the formation has no HQ is it still battle-forged?

Yes

Blood Oath formation - hellforged hunting pack - is 1850 points. But it does not follow the requirements of an FoC. Can this be fielded as a battle-forged army?

Yes

Is it tournament legal?

Depends on the tournament rules.

All relevant rules are in "Battle-forged Armies" from the rulebook.

Anyone clarify for me if you can take multiples of the same formation in a list? Like, can I have 2 Ironstrider Cavalier formations in the same list?

 MisterPerkins wrote:
Anyone clarify for me if you can take multiples of the same formation in a list? Like, can I have 2 Ironstrider Cavalier formations in the same list?

Provided that the Formation does not have any "Unique" units / models in it (and doesn't have a specific rule that says you can't duplicate it) then yes, you can absolutely take two of the same Formation.

 Quanar wrote:

 MisterPerkins wrote:
Anyone clarify for me if you can take multiples of the same formation in a list? Like, can I have 2 Ironstrider Cavalier formations in the same list?

Provided that the Formation does not have any "Unique" units / models in it (and doesn't have a specific rule that says you can't duplicate it) then yes, you can absolutely take two of the same Formation.

Excellent. Thank you

 MisterPerkins wrote:

 Quanar wrote:

 MisterPerkins wrote:
Anyone clarify for me if you can take multiples of the same formation in a list? Like, can I have 2 Ironstrider Cavalier formations in the same list?

Provided that the Formation does not have any "Unique" units / models in it (and doesn't have a specific rule that says you can't duplicate it) then yes, you can absolutely take two of the same Formation.

Excellent. Thank you

I think this is important to add: When going to a tournament, always remember to read the tourney FAQ. Many events do have house rules that forbid duplicate detachments.

True. Tournaments tend to be a nightmare mixture of house rules that invalidate 90% of the army list building rules in the core rule book.

This is why I rarely play in tournaments. I prefer to play Warhammer 40k and not some local version of watered down 40k.

 Kriswall wrote:
True. Tournaments tend to be a nightmare mixture of house rules that invalidate 90% of the army list building rules in the core rule book.

This is why I rarely play in tournaments. I prefer to play Warhammer 40k and not some local version of watered down 40k.

Interesting - in my neck of the woods it tends to be as simple as "No unbound" or simply "no more than 3 detachments" type stuff. At sub 2k, 3 detachments is more than adequate in my experience.

UNless you want to involve inquisition, assasins and a small grey knight force leading your...no wait, thats 3 already.

Detachment / number of sources restrictions are a fairly terrible houserule rule, in my opinion. It reduces the variety avaialble - like too strict a time limit can discourage players from bringing a horde army, reducing the variety of army types - without bringing a massive "balancing" affect, given the truly heinous armies can fit into one or 2 detachments easily enough.

Its why I have a soft sopot for the GW ToS format: 1875 (or something odd like that ) and thats it. Oh, but if you want to win? Better be a good sportsman, as without votes you cannot win...

nosferatu1001 wrote:
UNless you want to involve inquisition, assasins and a small grey knight force leading your...no wait, thats 3 already.

Detachment / number of sources restrictions are a fairly terrible houserule rule, in my opinion. It reduces the variety avaialble - like too strict a time limit can discourage players from bringing a horde army, reducing the variety of army types - without bringing a massive "balancing" affect, given the truly heinous armies can fit into one or 2 detachments easily enough.

Its why I have a soft sopot for the GW ToS format: 1875 (or something odd like that ) and thats it. Oh, but if you want to win? Better be a good sportsman, as without votes you cannot win...

Wow, nos. Something I completely agree with you on.


To be honest, I probably just think I disagree with you a lot because if you agree with me, you don't post in my thread.

I post or dont post as threads pique my interest, these days