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Hi all, I'm in some serious need of help with my list. I want it to be semi competitive and I'm am unsure on what to spend my last few points on. It is a double CAD list with spammed units but I have tried to keep it toned down.

Lord - MoK, Juggernaut, Aobf, sigil of corruption, GoM, Votlw - 185

Lord - MoK, Juggernaut, Black mace, sigil of corruption, GoM, Votlw - 190

Sorcerer - ML 3, spell familiar, bike, GoM - 155

Sorcerer - ML 3, spell familiar, bike, GoM - 155

5 CSM - melta gun - 85
Rhino - Havoc launcher - 47

5 CSM - melta gun - 85
Rhino - Havoc launcher - 47

5 CSM - melta gun - 85
Rhino - Havoc launcher - 47

5 CSM - melta gun - 85
Rhino - Havoc launcher - 47

4 spawn - 120
4 spawn - 120

3 Obliterators - Mon, Votlw - 237

Vindicator - Daemonic possession, combi-bolter - 140


There you have it, I currently have 140 pts spare and I am unsure what the best option would be. I think another vindicator would fit but I do not have a second model in my collection. What about a Tri-las predator or would throw the list balance out.

C&C welcomed


P.S. The CSM squads are staying, as I quite like them in maelstrom games.

Maybe delete one spawn from one of the two spawn units and add a Heldrake. Those things are badass!

Spread the oblitorators out into single units, then you can drop VOTLW.

I would want the spawn to be 5 strong.

A helldrake does sound like a worthy addition. I think it's safe to downgrade some of the marines to cultists.

GOM ON the sorcerors seems a bit much.

I'm not a fan of the heldrake, and I think oblits are better in units of three. I suppose I could drop the spawn down by one but then I don't that they would survive as long.

I think I might drop the GoM from the sorcerers, and then that give me 160 points, which could be spent on bikes with some sort of mark and 2 melta guns.

thoughts

Is jugger lord with black mace good?

How important are your sorc?

I feel like your double cad is unnecessary, because it all fits into 1 cad if you had no sorc.

if i used double cad I would always take 6 fast attack and 6 hvy.

Juggerlord with black mace isn't best choice... I would drop both juggerlords and all the spawn. Then I would take juggerlords from the Khorne Daemonkin codex and a bunch of Flesh Hounds instead!
The CSM are troops for KD also.

IMO drop all of the Gifts and buy your characters Sigils. You also might get more mileagle out of PF/LC on the second Juggerlord than the Black Mace. AP4 is BS honestly.

If anything, I'd take your spare 140 points, drop the Havoc Launchers, drop the Gifts, and buy yourself Sigils and another Spawn pack. You can use the one Spawn pack to give cover saves to your other Spawn Packs with the characters attached.

Drop the juggerlord with the black mace.. AP4 is no good on the juggerlord... If you give the Black Mace to a Daemon Prince it is AP2. A Nurgle Daemon Prince with Black Mace is awesome- Nurgle Daemons are shrouded, so put wings on him and laugh as your opponents try to shoot him as you move up with a 2+ jink.. You'll have plenty of points to give him armor , 2 ML and a spell familiar.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
IMO drop all of the Gifts and buy your characters Sigils. You also might get more mileagle out of PF/LC on the second Juggerlord than the Black Mace. AP4 is BS honestly.

If anything, I'd take your spare 140 points, drop the Havoc Launchers, drop the Gifts, and buy yourself Sigils and another Spawn pack. You can use the one Spawn pack to give cover saves to your other Spawn Packs with the characters attached.

This exactly, but try and find 5 points for a Dozer blade for the Vindy and then scrounge points to make the other spawn squad (who will be providing the cover saves) marked by Nurgle for T6. I second the call for splitting your oblits into 3 units of 1, instead of 1 units of 3. Saves points, you'll never lose any to a failed morale check and forces wasted shots.