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2015/06/27 09:23:52
Subject: Ravenwing stupidity
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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So can anyone tell me why the Ravenwing detachment has 3 HQ slots which must be filled by units with the Ravenwing special thus meaning you can only ever take 1 (either Sammael or Sableclaw).
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2015/06/27 09:27:53
Subject: Ravenwing stupidity
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Tunneling Trygon
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Already been addressed, and more than a couple threads on it. Just another failed rules writing from GW. People are waiting for FAQs again here too.
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2015/06/27 15:00:03
Subject: Ravenwing stupidity
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Regular Dakkanaut
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While an FAQ will be nice, the writing of the detachment with the rerollable warlord traits shows their intent. It's just sad how terrible their editors are when within 5 minutes of the codex leaking online, the blunder was discovered.
As it stands outside Sammy/Sabelclaw, 4 HQ choices:
the I-Chaplain, the Chaplain, the Techmarine, and the Librarian can take a SM Bike. I'm playing in a tournament today and our local organizers have already stated that purchasing a Bike will automatically confer the Ravenwing special rule to said HQ choices in addition to their other special rules, including Deathwing. Really a simple fix before an FAQ drops (if it ever does).
If any local meta doesn't allow something similar for competitive play, I would run and hide.
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2015/06/27 15:15:16
Subject: Ravenwing stupidity
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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What does the rerollable Warlord Trait indicate? Am I missing something?
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2015/06/27 15:33:10
Subject: Ravenwing stupidity
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Well, in the formation it says if your warlord is chosen from said ravenwing formation, he gets to reroll his warlord trait. The problem is Sammael and Sableclaw (the only ravenwing HQ's) are unique characters and already come with a warlord trait that you don't roll for.
What the rule implies is that they meant to give the ravenwing special rule to HQ's on Space Marine Bikes. Thus allowing you to roll and reroll for the warlord traits, and also allow you to have 3 ravening HQ's.
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2015/06/27 16:01:33
Subject: Ravenwing stupidity
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Why can't you just make a different character Warlord? What has Warlord got to do with HQs?
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2015/06/27 16:09:16
Subject: Ravenwing stupidity
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Khorne Chosen Marine Riding a Juggernaut
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Because Sammael allready has a Warlord trait that can't be changed in anyway.
The detachement rules says that your Warlord can reroll his warlord trait.
So if Sammael cannot reroll his warlord trait, because he is a Special IC, then why add this rule in?
This plus the extra 2 HQ slots you can have is a clear clue that it was intendent in a way or another to give Ravenwing special rule to others HQ.
personnaly HIWPI, when an opponent wants to field a ravenwing, buy the bike, the guy has ravenwing, simple.
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2015/06/27 16:23:46
Subject: Ravenwing stupidity
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Your Warlord can be any character. It doesn't have to be your HQ.
Just out of curiosity, did they fix the problem with Sableclaw?
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2015/06/27 16:27:19
Subject: Ravenwing stupidity
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Yes Sableclaw is now a Character.
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2015/06/27 22:23:28
Subject: Ravenwing stupidity
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Fixture of Dakka
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The other possibility is, that GW plans to add to the Ravenwing in a later White Dwarf or supplement that is not in the codex.
So maybe it is way that is intended.
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2015/06/28 01:23:06
Subject: Re:Ravenwing stupidity
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Ancient Venerable Dark Angels Dreadnought
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I just feel bad for the Ravenwing's inherent Chaplain....always stuck on the Strike Cruiser, left out of the Strike Force again.....you guys get all the fun.
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2015/06/28 02:30:35
Subject: Ravenwing stupidity
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Jinking Ravenwing Land Speeder Pilot
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My local gw has alredy house ruled that giving an hq a bike confers the ravenwing rule.
I imagine most TOs will do the same
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2015/06/28 15:13:08
Subject: Ravenwing stupidity
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Can't a sergeant be chosen as your warlord ?
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2015/06/28 15:31:38
Subject: Ravenwing stupidity
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Yes an character can be your Warlord. Hence the Warlord trait example given is meaningless. However the 3 HQs is a clear sign of intent for other characters to be able to join.
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2015/06/28 16:08:43
Subject: Re:Ravenwing stupidity
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Raging-on-the-Inside Blood Angel Sergeant
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Whilst I agree that characters on bikes should be able to get the ravenwing special rule I don't agree that they should just be given it.
The rule gives quite good in game benefits (reroll jink for instance) thus it shouldn't be included with the basic cost of a bike. I'd happily allow opponents to have the rule as long as they were happy to play a few points for it. How many do people think would be appropriate? 5, 10...
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2015/06/28 17:44:41
Subject: Ravenwing stupidity
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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5 points.
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2015/06/28 23:58:45
Subject: Ravenwing stupidity
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Not as Good as a Minion
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What is the point difference between a Codex Terminator Librarian and a Deathwing Librarian?
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2015/06/29 00:09:35
Subject: Re:Ravenwing stupidity
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Did Fulgrim Just Behead Ferrus?
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 WisdomLS wrote:Whilst I agree that characters on bikes should be able to get the ravenwing special rule I don't agree that they should just be given it.
The rule gives quite good in game benefits (reroll jink for instance) thus it shouldn't be included with the basic cost of a bike. I'd happily allow opponents to have the rule as long as they were happy to play a few points for it. How many do people think would be appropriate? 5, 10...
No extra points.
White Scars biker characters don't pay extra for the rules granted by their Chapter Tactics, why should Dark Angels?
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2015/06/29 00:12:02
Subject: Re:Ravenwing stupidity
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Ancient Venerable Dark Angels Dreadnought
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0 points. Every army gets inherent bonuses. It's not a major bonus since it is unlikely that you will see a character not fielded in a unit.
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2015/06/29 00:13:26
Subject: Ravenwing stupidity
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Rampaging Khorne Dreadnought
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I think it would be more appropriate to compare what an HQ pays to gain the deathwing rule. Although that's assuming they gain it from buying terminator armour. I don't have the codex so I have no idea if that even applies.
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2015/06/29 00:56:45
Subject: Ravenwing stupidity
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Jinking Ravenwing Land Speeder Pilot
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Dont all the HQs have the deathwing rule?
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2015/06/29 01:02:06
Subject: Ravenwing stupidity
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Ancient Venerable Dark Angels Dreadnought
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no, Chaplains do not (but Interrogator chaplains do). Sammael has it by default only (specifically Fearless and Hatred ( CSM).
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2015/06/29 01:03:30
Subject: Ravenwing stupidity
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Jinking Ravenwing Land Speeder Pilot
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Does tda confer the rule?
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"If you wait a few months, they'll pick one of the worst codexes and they'll nerf almost everything, its an abstract sort of balance, but it's the sort of balance gw likes... "
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2015/06/29 01:33:46
Subject: Ravenwing stupidity
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Ancient Venerable Dark Angels Dreadnought
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regular chaplain cannot have TDA so a moot point. he can get a bike though, but doesn't get Ravenwing rule.
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2015/06/29 01:47:07
Subject: Ravenwing stupidity
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Jinking Ravenwing Land Speeder Pilot
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So can an hq even pay to get the deathwing rule?
All the local TOs I've asked have already decided that taking the bike confers the rule. If someone in a pickup game doesn't want to let me, I'll play someone else
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"If you wait a few months, they'll pick one of the worst codexes and they'll nerf almost everything, its an abstract sort of balance, but it's the sort of balance gw likes... "
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2015/06/29 01:55:39
Subject: Ravenwing stupidity
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Making Stuff
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There would be no reason for them to do so. Any character that could be a member of the Deathwing already is so by default.
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2015/06/29 02:23:13
Subject: Ravenwing stupidity
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Jinking Ravenwing Land Speeder Pilot
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Somebody mentioned characters paying points for it. Just wanted to know who could.
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"If you wait a few months, they'll pick one of the worst codexes and they'll nerf almost everything, its an abstract sort of balance, but it's the sort of balance gw likes... "
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2015/06/29 02:40:10
Subject: Ravenwing stupidity
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Regular Dakkanaut
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No one can pay for it, and you shouldn't have to. The likely intent was to give HQ characters that have the options to ride bikes the ravenwing special rule at the points they already listed in the codex for the bike.
The two local FLGS's I play at already stated that putting an HQ on a bike makes them ravenwing, and I played a tournament on Saturday as such. Not a single player had an issue and if someone ever would, I just wouldn't play them because the intent is so clear.
A pal of mine that lives in Friso, TX went to his local GW and they are also following the same rule there. No added points or anything.
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2015/06/29 02:44:40
Subject: Ravenwing stupidity
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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No, characters do not pay for it in the sense that it's an option or unlocked by taking TDA. They have it as a default (except for techmarines and chaplains who can't have TDA).
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2015/06/29 03:29:41
Subject: Ravenwing stupidity
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Stalwart Dark Angels Space Marine
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Roknar wrote:I think it would be more appropriate to compare what an HQ pays to gain the deathwing rule. Although that's assuming they gain it from buying terminator armour. I don't have the codex so I have no idea if that even applies.
deathwing is inherent. you have the rule and can thus gain the armor, not the other way around. terminator means deathwing but deathwing doesnt always mean terminator.
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