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So quick question, I've read and heard conflicting information, and I just want to know if the lion is actually awake or is he still healing? It would be awesome if I could get a great answer!

he's asleep, but his wounds have basicly healed IIRC

According to the last codex, iirc, he's awake, fully healed, and waiting for dear old dad to send him a text to come on home.

End times coming to Warhammer 40K?

 Reality-Torrent wrote:
End times coming to Warhammer 40K?

Considering he has been like this in the codex for years, I wouldn't hold your breath.

Yep, the Lion is just asleep waiting for the Emperor to wake him up at the 11th hour when mankind need him most against the forces of Chaos. Only the watchers in the dark and the emperor know of his existence.

As someone has already mentioned, it has been like this in the Dark Angel codex for years. Out of all of the loyalist Primarchs, he is the most likely to return or at least return before the others since he's not lost in the warp or anything like that.

Essentially, he will return when all hell breaks loose and the forces of Chaos get too close to triumphing. I believe his return will also be linked to Cypher and Cypher's mission to get to the Emperor in Terra - in case you did not know, Cypher also carries the Lion's sword. Still a grey area as to what side Cypher is really on.

 Slaphead wrote:
Yep, the Lion is just asleep waiting for the Emperor to wake him up at the 11th hour when mankind need him most against the forces of Chaos. Only the watchers in the dark and the emperor know of his existence.

As someone has already mentioned, it has been like this in the Dark Angel codex for years. Out of all of the loyalist Primarchs, he is the most likely to return or at least return before the others since he's not lost in the warp or anything like that.

Essentially, he will return when all hell breaks loose and the forces of Chaos get too close to triumphing. I believe his return will also be linked to Cypher and Cypher's mission to get to the Emperor in Terra - in case you did not know, Cypher also carries the Lion's sword. Still a grey area as to what side Cypher is really on.

My guess is that the Emperor is pretty dead actually.

 Slaphead wrote:
Yep, the Lion is just asleep waiting for the Emperor to wake him up at the 11th hour when mankind need him most against the forces of Chaos. Only the watchers in the dark and the emperor know of his existence.

As someone has already mentioned, it has been like this in the Dark Angel codex for years. Out of all of the loyalist Primarchs, he is the most likely to return or at least return before the others since he's not lost in the warp or anything like that.

Essentially, he will return when all hell breaks loose and the forces of Chaos get too close to triumphing. I believe his return will also be linked to Cypher and Cypher's mission to get to the Emperor in Terra - in case you did not know, Cypher also carries the Lion's sword. Still a grey area as to what side Cypher is really on.

Cypher probably carries Simba's sword.

 Reality-Torrent wrote:

 Slaphead wrote:
Yep, the Lion is just asleep waiting for the Emperor to wake him up at the 11th hour when mankind need him most against the forces of Chaos. Only the watchers in the dark and the emperor know of his existence.

As someone has already mentioned, it has been like this in the Dark Angel codex for years. Out of all of the loyalist Primarchs, he is the most likely to return or at least return before the others since he's not lost in the warp or anything like that.

Essentially, he will return when all hell breaks loose and the forces of Chaos get too close to triumphing. I believe his return will also be linked to Cypher and Cypher's mission to get to the Emperor in Terra - in case you did not know, Cypher also carries the Lion's sword. Still a grey area as to what side Cypher is really on.

My guess is that the Emperor is pretty dead actually.

He's dead in the sense that his spirit was removed from his body yes. Death as we know it has varying degrees of finality in 40k.

 curran12 wrote:

 Reality-Torrent wrote:
End times coming to Warhammer 40K?

Considering he has been like this in the codex for years, I wouldn't hold your breath.

Isn't holding someone elses breath choking them?

On topic, I'd loooooooove it if The Lion would awake, both from the story perspective and because he'd be an absolute beast on the tabletop. No more reasons to cry how we have the weakest LoW chapter master and how other special characters are overpriced and gak. Anyway, he's been just waiting for the wake-up call for several editions now so yeah, might just stay that way. Gotta get the mini anyway when FW gets around it.

That'll likely be the first FW model I'll buy, given it looks half as good as the others.

Unless it is part of an end times story, I hope primarchs are never introduced to 40k. A massive part of the grimdarkness comes from the absence of the Emperor and the primarchs, leaving humanity alone, unguided and vulnerable. Bring any of them back, and that starts to vanish, and the mood changes.

That said, bring on the endtimes, I'd love to see Abaddon set foot on Terra...

 JamesY wrote:
Unless it is part of an end times story, I hope primarchs are never introduced to 40k. A massive part of the grimdarkness comes from the absence of the Emperor and the primarchs, leaving humanity alone, unguided and vulnerable. Bring any of them back, and that starts to vanish, and the mood changes.

That said, bring on the endtimes, I'd love to see Abaddon set foot on Terra...

I wouldn't mind seeing one of them coming back for a summer campaign or something. If it was Russ or someone, it could even end up splitting the Imperium further, and making the story more interesting.

I've seen it suggested that they bring back a primarch, have him lead a new crusade and actually get stuff done, only to die and leave the IoM darker than before with one less primarch to come back and save them. I don't know what to think about that, people would not be happy to have their primarch killed off, I assume.

Also, I can definitely see a primarch coming back and causing a second civil war as they try and maintain things according to what the Emperor actually wanted, instead of how the HLoT do things.

bringing primarchs back I imagine would be popular. the minis would undoubtedly sell well

BrianDavion wrote:
bringing primarchs back I imagine would be popular. the minis would undoubtedly sell well

Eh, that's what 30k is for. Fluffwise, I'd rather not see any of them come back.

 Orblivion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
bringing primarchs back I imagine would be popular. the minis would undoubtedly sell well

Eh, that's what 30k is for. Fluffwise, I'd rather not see any of them come back.

at least not any of the loyalist stuff, in this day and age when super ehavies and GMCs are popping up on table, I'm kinda suprised they've not given us any deamon primarchs. I'd LOOVE to see GW do a summer event of the 1st battle for Armageddon.

Forge world will eventually get around to the daemon primarchs. They are definitely going to happen.

 Orblivion wrote:

 Reality-Torrent wrote:

 Slaphead wrote:
Yep, the Lion is just asleep waiting for the Emperor to wake him up at the 11th hour when mankind need him most against the forces of Chaos. Only the watchers in the dark and the emperor know of his existence.

As someone has already mentioned, it has been like this in the Dark Angel codex for years. Out of all of the loyalist Primarchs, he is the most likely to return or at least return before the others since he's not lost in the warp or anything like that.

Essentially, he will return when all hell breaks loose and the forces of Chaos get too close to triumphing. I believe his return will also be linked to Cypher and Cypher's mission to get to the Emperor in Terra - in case you did not know, Cypher also carries the Lion's sword. Still a grey area as to what side Cypher is really on.

My guess is that the Emperor is pretty dead actually.

He's dead in the sense that his spirit was removed from his body yes. Death as we know it has varying degrees of finality in 40k.

Considering the fact that we've got fluff talking about his Daemons actively combating Chaos, he is definitely not gone.

Thanks for all the info! What do you think the first thing he would do when he wakes up would be?

I've been reading the DA codex, and I haven't seen anything in it regarding the fate of the fallen or Luther for that matter.
Are the Fallen executed after confession/retribution? or are they returned to service?

 Mantorok wrote:
I've been reading the DA codex, and I haven't seen anything in it regarding the fate of the fallen or Luther for that matter.
Are the Fallen executed after confession/retribution? or are they returned to service?

Luther's fate gets a column on page 31 - "The Dark Oracle".
Whilst I don't have a quote for it, Fallen are almost certainly executed afterwards (likely in a 'painless' way, as a 'reward' for confessing) - many had fallen to Chaos and embraced mutations / exposure to the warp, it would be difficult to explain away the sudden appearance of a new battle brother, who never shows his face and doesn't know the liturgies / hymns etc. or even the history of the last thousand years.
Some are sorrowful from the get-go, leading quiet lives wherever the warp throws them out - that sort of Fallen might get re-inducted, but I'd be very doubtful.

 Quanar wrote:
Luther's fate gets a column on page 31 - "The Dark Oracle".
Whilst I don't have a quote for it, Fallen are almost certainly executed afterwards (likely in a 'painless' way, as a 'reward' for confessing) - many had fallen to Chaos and embraced mutations / exposure to the warp, it would be difficult to explain away the sudden appearance of a new battle brother, who never shows his face and doesn't know the liturgies / hymns etc. or even the history of the last thousand years.
Some are sorrowful from the get-go, leading quiet lives wherever the warp throws them out - that sort of Fallen might get re-inducted, but I'd be very doubtful.

I see what you mean now.
The thing is, DA has a number of battle brothers who never show their face, hidden behind Cowls, they also have the mysterious the watchers in the dark, that wander around the Rock, not to be spoken to or interrupted in any way.
All their successor chapters are equally mysterious.
As far as the Lion goes, I'm sick of him sleeping, accomplishing nothing.
He needs to wake up, and claim the place of warmaster that was rightfully his from the beginning.
The Lion seeks to reclaim his lost honor in the final battle, but if Fantasy was any indicator, there will be no honor to claim.

Isn't there a passage in one book where an Interrogator-Chaplain promises a merciful death for repentance, and something along the lines of 'I will save your soul, even if you die in the process'?

Also, there is a picture of Azrael preparing to execute a repentant Fallen with his Heavenfall Blade that is around somewhere.

 dusara217 wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

 Reality-Torrent wrote:

 Slaphead wrote:
Yep, the Lion is just asleep waiting for the Emperor to wake him up at the 11th hour when mankind need him most against the forces of Chaos. Only the watchers in the dark and the emperor know of his existence.

As someone has already mentioned, it has been like this in the Dark Angel codex for years. Out of all of the loyalist Primarchs, he is the most likely to return or at least return before the others since he's not lost in the warp or anything like that.

Essentially, he will return when all hell breaks loose and the forces of Chaos get too close to triumphing. I believe his return will also be linked to Cypher and Cypher's mission to get to the Emperor in Terra - in case you did not know, Cypher also carries the Lion's sword. Still a grey area as to what side Cypher is really on.

My guess is that the Emperor is pretty dead actually.

He's dead in the sense that his spirit was removed from his body yes. Death as we know it has varying degrees of finality in 40k.

Considering the fact that we've got fluff talking about his Daemons actively combating Chaos, he is definitely not gone.

That was my point. He's "dead", but that doesn't actually mean much in 40k.

Samdecsameday wrote:
Thanks for all the info! What do you think the first thing he would do when he wakes up would be?

First thing, he has got to use the restroom. Like bad. Second thing, probably a coke and a big mac. After that, skies the limit.

 Orblivion wrote:

That was my point. He's "dead", but that doesn't actually mean much in 40k.

To be fair, it means a great deal to everybody who's not a god or a demon. (Primarchs notwithstanding)
Even dreadnoughts are interred whilst alive.

Lion is the only one primarch that lost fairly a 1 on 1 duel against a regular astarte (Luther)

am I correct

LightKing wrote:
Lion is the only one primarch that lost fairly a 1 on 1 duel against a regular astarte (Luther)

am I correct

I'm pretty sure the Lion won the fight but didn't want to kill his friend. Then he got hit by magic.

LightKing wrote:
Lion is the only one primarch that lost fairly a 1 on 1 duel against a regular astarte (Luther)

am I correct

Luther was strengthened by Chaos. It's about as fair as saying Sanguinius lost fairly against Horus. Does it qualify as a one-on-one duel if incomprehensible alien horrors are gifting eldrich horrors to one of the combatants?