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Warlord
Gallant Knight, Sanctuary, meltagun, icarus ac @380

LoW
4xGallant, meltagun, icarus ac @365x4= 1460

Take House Hold detachment to gain obj sec in tourney play or Exalted Court in casual games to get High King, and 4 Barons and upgrade one baron into a Knight Comander.

If I am fightjng no flyers then I can swap for the Iron storm missiles or storm spear rockets. With the 10 left over points I can take 3 storm spear rockets and 2 iron storm missiles.

The plan is to rush all titans into close combat and stomp. No standing back to shoot. Kill hordes with stomp and Iron Storm missiles and pop transport with spear storm rockets. If I fight flyers then I have to plink at them with puny 2 shot icarus ac.

Would 5 Errants be any better?

I, personally, love the Gallant, but five of them being the whole list?

Not so much. I'd swap one or two in for Errants.

Such a boring army.

Thank you IamRightBehindYou for such valuble feed Back...I just wanted to move 5 big models and not have to think so hard. O have been playing CSM for 6 years and every battle is a struggle to win. One wrong move and its over. Even when I can do everything right, I still lose because of scatbike cheese or 4+++ reanimation protocol, or some sort of invincible death star.

TheManWithNoPlan, your feed back is better and I like it. At 2000 i can play around with other options. However at 1850 it is very constricting. I can go 5 errants with no options for anti air. Or I can take 1 Gallant and any combo of Paladin and Warden Or Errant but be over or under 10 or so points. Gallants allow me to dish out the most D weapons. 4-5 D weapon attacks and then a Stomp. If I hang back with battle cannons and avenger cannons or thermal cannons then I am not throwing out D weapons. I havent played as IK but I fought it and was utterly powerless to kill any. I think Necrons and Dark Eldar would easily beat them due to gause and lance weapons. Which combination would give me the best TAC list?

once I have them fully assembled and painted I will show case them here and in the appropriate forum.

 ImRightBehindYou wrote:
Such a boring army.

Way more fun than a gladius. I've played a few gladius now and have to say it is the most boring army list to play in almost all of its variants


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Very interested to see how this plays against a MSU army that knows how to position itself and move throughout the game.

JJJ, can you show me the most brutal Gladius list you faced?

I see no point in the Gallant's at all.

Str 10 ap2 attacks are almost as good and it has no ranged capability compared to the others


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 Filch wrote:
JJJ, can you show me the most brutal Gladius list you faced?

It depends what I was playing with. I faced them all. Cent star with librarian conclave. On that was just minned out with as many smaller formations added, which was tough for my necron. I've ran a few myself. They aren't fun to play. Too much movement. Game is not short.

For you I'd be more afraid of a lion's blade with grav bikers (support formation making tem BS5) and devastators podding in and blowing up two to three knights on the first turn if things go badly. Also it makes them overwatch at full ballistic skill. Could be tough for you


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This looks really fun to me actually. Lots of assault and getting to throw vehicles is fun!

Can icarus ac shoot down pods as they arrive turn 1? It has intercepter and sky fire rules. Do they count as flying before they touch ground? Its only S7 so are dpods av13 or av12?

Drop Pods aren't flyers at all.

 Filch wrote:
Can icarus ac shoot down pods as they arrive turn 1? It has intercepter and sky fire rules. Do they count as flying before they touch ground? Its only S7 so are dpods av13 or av12?

Firstly Pods aren't flyers but even if they were why would you want to do this? The pod has literally no weapons to hurt your Knights, it is tge guys inside you need to intercept not the pod...

I thought that if I can intercept and shoot the drop pod the turn it came in, then all the guys inside would fall to their deaths.

Lol...no...

I only play csm and the 2 armies o fight with drop pods take no flyers do i never bring intercepter skyfire guns.

IMHO, you shouldn't be worried about your opponents flyers. like at all. Reason being, you're running all Imperial Knights. You have got your energy shield that you can deploy in the direction of your choice for the 3+? invul save. Your AV13 in the front, AV 12 on the sides, 6 wounds? and cant be blown up and even if your opponent has a flyer/flyers that "can" hurt you, just maneuver in a way to hinder there full effectiveness. Plus once you make your assault (which that sounds like what your gearing you army towards) what is a flyer really going to do? Tank shock? if only

Your list seems solid IMO and I wouldn't change anything. Test it a couple times against players of your skill and tell them what your bringing so they can plan accordingly.

Well then. I cant wait till i get the sprues in the mail.

At first I was going to paint and model them Like Pacific Rim Mechs because the Thunder Strike Gauntlets allow me to hurl tanks and MC. Definitely looking forward to play a game where I my Jeagers brawl some tyrants. Even if i lose, the meltdown blast will kill stuff.

I have different plans now. I want to paint 1 titan like the skinless Titan like Attack on Titan. The 2nd knight like he is made of Stained Glass. The next titan will be painted like a safari jungle with tiger eyes peeping out from the shadows of big leafs. The fourth Knight will be obnoxious as possible with chrome and gold paint and crystals making it look like a trophy. I am not sure about my 5th knight. I want an easy but unconventional paint scheme without needing an air brush.

I have seen Awaken Realms IK and am blown away. I will never be that good a painter even if i have an air brush.

I am confident in my ability to paint the knight like Mephiston. If not I can painstakingly green stuff the muscle fibers on.

The stained glass pattern is simple and improvational.

The Jungle Knight I can free hand decently well.

The Bling Knight, I plan on using masking tape and Chrome spray cans. Then I can glue some gemstones on. It is going to look so cheesy and funny like the Affliction Shirts with rine stones.

What is a good theme for blue? The Bramstoker Vampire Knight/ Attack On Titan will be red. The stained glass knight will have many light colors but primarily purple and pink. The Jungle Knight will be mostly green. If you play chaos I hope you see a pattern. I got a Red Khorne, Pink Slaanesh, Green Nurgle but I need a Blue Tzeentch.

Personally I honestly believe you shouldn't buy the list at all unless it is for tournies or a hard competitive scene. Many people won't play casual vs this, and if they do, they won't for long. I've never seen anyone enjoy playing against it even if they beat it. You basically have to have a tailored list to stand a chance. If you bring a TAC casual army, or even semi-competitive, most people will lose or just not play since they stand no chance.

You already told me its boring. and You have provided zero constructive criticism. Please do not waste anymore effort bashing my list.

I don't agree that no TAC or semi competitive army can win. Take orks for example, a pretty standard army now a days has a big warbike unit with claws, and some tankbustas. Both of which do exceptionally well against knights, especially ones that can't shoot very well. Necrons have gauss, SM have melta, etc. Of course it would be common courtesy to say what your bringing (especially because you said you'll weapon swap if you're not facing flyers), which most people do anyways, atleast where I play.

On to the list, it looks good. Personally I don't really think you need so much skyfire but then again you said you could swap them if your not facing flyers. I think a couple of the knights with battlecannons would do you well just so you don't get tarpitted, stomp only goes so far against things like khorne flesh hounds. Looks pretty solid though. I'd be interested to see how you do against things like flyrants, daemons, and the battle company though. I personally just dont think you have enough turns to run through a whole MSU battle company and control the objectives, but I'd be interested to find out. Anyways just my $0.02, have a good one!

I've literally never seen any ork army beat the knights. Many people eschew melta for grav and necrons run the dechyron or whatever it is which doesn't have a whole lot of shooting. I'm barely bashing your list that took less than 5 minutes to write. There's hardly any constructive criticism to offer to a 5 model army that you already said you'll tailor based on your opponent, I mean seriously. I'm just saying that people won't enjoy facing it, so don't expect many games.

I would like to see several list of op cheesy armies that can kill IK and still be TAC.

WK kills IK in cc and has wraith cannons.

Crons have gause n Heavy destroyers snd canoptek wraiths.

Orks have grot cannons n a way to make thrm Str D.

Gladius has melta devs and many razor backs with lascannons.

Ok, so the last time I saw someone run *ahem* grot cannons and get SD was...never, gauss still needs 6 after to hit rolls and you get your save. It's better against transports, not durable monstrosities, and the gladius I see don't even run lascannons on their razors, but there are meltas. All I'm saying is that unless someone is running a tailored list, it will be damn near impossible for them to BEAT you like that. You're eating units every turn, and ok maybe they kill a couple knights the whole game, but no way more than that.

 ImRightBehindYou wrote:
Personally I honestly believe you shouldn't buy the list at all unless it is for tournies or a hard competitive scene. Many people won't play casual vs this, and if they do, they won't for long. I've never seen anyone enjoy playing against it even if they beat it. You basically have to have a tailored list to stand a chance. If you bring a TAC casual army, or even semi-competitive, most people will lose or just not play since they stand no chance.

A mid tier eldar (non tourney and fluffy) list has a great chance to wreck this list, 5 fragons = dead knight, if your going to be super negative at least be correct about it. FFS bringing a crimson death formation alone will put the ridculous hurt on this thing. And thats just one faction. Perhaps the OP wants to model some really impressive knights: he said he runs CSM so he likely is at least a moderate hobbyist.

But really why be so negative

OP: same thing but from a different tact: if you want to be competitive whats your plan for flyers and alpha/beta strikes. Whats your plan for MSU? If you play ITC format you could really suffer for maelstroms and in doing so end up losing primary as well with so few models?

Eldar wrecks everything, but if he doesn't do it in 1-2 turns, he gets whipped. Besides, you've pointed out ONE army as a counter, when the point being made is that almost every army TAC or casual loses vs this. Even in my post you quoted I said "If you bring a TAC, casual army, or even-semi competitive, MOST (<----) people will lose..." I didn't say everyone.. If you're going to counter me, at least be correct about it.

read the whole thread now... OP thats some amazing modelling plans... walking affliction shirt is so good

heres a post of a TAC list that will eat this list Imrightbehindyou: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/656797.page



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ummm okay Centstar, flyrant



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pretty much any high tier list. Demons will terrorize it

necrons glance on a 6, so any sort of massed fire necron list is nasty

Not really. How many turns is it going to take them firing to get enough hits, subsequent 6s, and then failed shield/cover saves to take even one down? All the while the knights are moving 12", shooting really powerful guns, and then charging on likely the second turn.

oh, after doing some more research i see where i screwed up...

I could have had this list:

4 Cerastus Knight Castigators and 1 Gallant Knight with a melta gun for 1850pts.

Oh well...Can anyone show me how to convert a IK into a Cerastus Knight? Is Forge world accepted at tournaments near you? My groul is lax and has so many forged world cheese.

Or is this better?

2 Paladins One is warlord. Both Hang back.
2 Wardens Both help shoot flyers unreliably.
1 Gallant with Meltagun and Sanctuary. This one will trh its best to kamikaze into the most most units.

Exalted Court Makes them all Barons.1 is High King and another Baron becomes Knight Comander.

Cerastus knight castigators are awesome, they are the only IK I've used and they have performed really well for me. Unfortunately they have a rule that states the cerastus knights cannot outnumber the standard knights in a knight detachment. So you can really only get 1 or 2 in.

oh ok. But what if its 4 Castigators and no gallant?