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I am moving house soon and one of the fringe benefits is that I can free up some cash to treat myself to some more toys. Looking at building up some Fantasy armies - I already have Mantic's Undead, Dwarves, Not-Chaos Dwarves and Elves and by and large, am quite happy with them for the price.
Question is, I am looking to get the Orc army deal and the Goblin army deal. The Orcs I have seen look fine; I have seen some reviews from a while back saying that Mantic chose a new Chinese manufacturer to produce the plastic Goblins and they turned out pretty awful. Is this still the case? Is the army deal on the Mantic site comprised of these Chinese plastic Goblins or did they get them re-done by a different manufacturer? The pictures on the Mantic website look alright but I guess they would show them in the best possible light!
I was also looking at the ogres too but they look a bit knock-knee'd for my tastes and the range is a bit lacking at the moment.
filbert wrote: I am moving house soon and one of the fringe benefits is that I can free up some cash to treat myself to some more toys. Looking at building up some Fantasy armies - I already have Mantic's Undead, Dwarves, Not-Chaos Dwarves and Elves and by and large, am quite happy with them for the price.
Question is, I am looking to get the Orc army deal and the Goblin army deal. The Orcs I have seen look fine; I have seen some reviews from a while back saying that Mantic chose a new Chinese manufacturer to produce the plastic Goblins and they turned out pretty awful. Is this still the case? Is the army deal on the Mantic site comprised of these Chinese plastic Goblins or did they get them re-done by a different manufacturer? The pictures on the Mantic website look alright but I guess they would show them in the best possible light!
I was also looking at the ogres too but they look a bit knock-knee'd for my tastes and the range is a bit lacking at the moment.
The goblins are pretty crap sprues. Each sprue of 5 gives you 5 bowmen but only one quiver. The spear and sword goblins are the plastic bowguy sprues with extra metal arms, so that's annoying if you don't like metal/plastic kits. (so the extra quivers on the guys you use for spear/sword means you do have some more quivers for your bow guys)
That being said, they paint up REALLY easily especially if you're like me and put a handful of colors on your models and then dip them all (I painted all of my goblins in this army in about ten hours)
If you are looking for just a bunch of cheap dudes and don't care about individual model quality, go for it. If you want much nicer goblins, wait until Mantic redoes the sprues.
However... the fleabag riders are AWESOME models and I have bought like 80 of them and will eventually paint them up for my army as well.
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I know somebody that wants the Fleabags to be the core of his army - Fleabags and Mincers, with all the other units just being archers to provide ranged support.
The Auld Grump
Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
What would you use the Mincers and the Trumpet (warhorn?) teams as counts-as in a WHFB army? I am planning on playing both KoW and WHFB 6th Ed so I need an army that can dual-purpose.
No so worried about the metal/plastic arms per se and I am very much in the camp of 'cheap army' over individual quality but it would bother me if the plastic details are soft and hard to make out if that makes sense? The threads I read from a couple of years ago seemed to suggest the plastic casting was soft and unrecognisable but are you saying they aren't that bad?
filbert wrote: What would you use the Mincers and the Trumpet (warhorn?) teams as counts-as in a WHFB army? I am planning on playing both KoW and WHFB 6th Ed so I need an army that can dual-purpose.
No so worried about the metal/plastic arms per se and I am very much in the camp of 'cheap army' over individual quality but it would bother me if the plastic details are soft and hard to make out if that makes sense? The threads I read from a couple of years ago seemed to suggest the plastic casting was soft and unrecognisable but are you saying they aren't that bad?
The Mincer can count as a Pump Wagon.
The War Trombone... damned if I know - it is pretty much a humungous blunderbuss....
The Mincer is a blast to paint - somewhere there is a YouTube video of one.... (I used completely different method - but it is fun.)
The Auld Grump
Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
filbert wrote: What would you use the Mincers and the Trumpet (warhorn?) teams as counts-as in a WHFB army? I am planning on playing both KoW and WHFB 6th Ed so I need an army that can dual-purpose.
No so worried about the metal/plastic arms per se and I am very much in the camp of 'cheap army' over individual quality but it would bother me if the plastic details are soft and hard to make out if that makes sense? The threads I read from a couple of years ago seemed to suggest the plastic casting was soft and unrecognisable but are you saying they aren't that bad?
It was fine for assembly line block painting, like what I did (undercoat Army Painter brown spray, paint orange flesh, paint metal weapons/shields, paint bows/leather bags, then Army Painter Dark Tone painted on from the can)
But I can imagine being highly frustrated if you wanted to paint individual details as the castings are "mushy".
"...and special thanks to Judgedoug!" - Alessio Cavatore "Now you've gone too far Doug! ... Too far... " - Rick Priestley "I've decided that I'd rather not have you as a member of TMP." - Editor, The Miniatures Page "I'd rather put my testicles through a mangle than spend any time gaming with you." - Richard, TooFatLardies "We need a Doug Craig in every store." - Warlord Games "Thank you for being here, Judge Doug!" - Adam Troke
filbert wrote: What would you use the Mincers and the Trumpet (warhorn?) teams as counts-as in a WHFB army? I am planning on playing both KoW and WHFB 6th Ed so I need an army that can dual-purpose.
No so worried about the metal/plastic arms per se and I am very much in the camp of 'cheap army' over individual quality but it would bother me if the plastic details are soft and hard to make out if that makes sense? The threads I read from a couple of years ago seemed to suggest the plastic casting was soft and unrecognisable but are you saying they aren't that bad?
It was fine for assembly line block painting, like what I did (undercoat Army Painter brown spray, paint orange flesh, paint metal weapons/shields, paint bows/leather bags, then Army Painter Dark Tone painted on from the can)
But I can imagine being highly frustrated if you wanted to paint individual details as the castings are "mushy".
Might be OK for me then, I only ever do Army Painter/Spray colour undercoat with a wash or two. I would never get anything painted if I spent any longer, especially given the propensity for large Fantasy armies.
Will probably get some then - the price is good enough for me to ignore the casting quality I think.
Bought the goblin army box the metal to plastic was a nightmare had to pin them first.
The spitters are not great models if honest but not painted them up yet the spear guys look a bit better when you get them together. The fleabag riders and trolls are good if not great little models and mincer is not to bad looking
I was too lazy to pin, just super glued the metal arms on, assembly line style. spray the metal arms with accelerator, then dab of super glue on the plastic pegs, push arms together, instant bond. about 150 of those guys glued together that way, none broken so far!
"...and special thanks to Judgedoug!" - Alessio Cavatore "Now you've gone too far Doug! ... Too far... " - Rick Priestley "I've decided that I'd rather not have you as a member of TMP." - Editor, The Miniatures Page "I'd rather put my testicles through a mangle than spend any time gaming with you." - Richard, TooFatLardies "We need a Doug Craig in every store." - Warlord Games "Thank you for being here, Judge Doug!" - Adam Troke
I agree with judgedoug. I don't have as many painted, but my technique was the same-- green skin, various browns and metal, strong tone dip. You won't win a Crystal Daemon with them, but they look jut fine in blocks of twenty or more. The metal character models are much nicer sculpts and casts, and are worth taking a little extra time for layering/detailing.
" - Rick Priestley "I've decided that I'd rather not have you as a member of TMP." - Editor, The Miniatures Page "I'd rather put my testicles through a mangle than spend any time gaming with you." - Richard, TooFatLardies "We need a Doug Craig in every store." - Warlord Games "Thank you for being here, Judge Doug!" - Adam Troke 
