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Have a wee look at the high-res wallpapers of the next black library book...

http://www.blacklibrary.com/horus-heresy/cybernetica-le.html

It's been mirrored for some reason, but i see an onager with the eradication beamer, another with the icarus array, i see (gnashes teeth) ironstriders, skitarii rangers, an arc rifle, an arc maul, a phosphor blast pistol and i think i see a radium carbine too! (far in the background just to the right of the antennae on the skitarii alpha with the arc maul and phosphor blast pistol) edit: on further inspection i now think it is a radium pistol

Uh yeah. The Skitarri have been around that long, as the Admech.

Jeez, who would have thought that a Black Library book would be released to capitalize on a recent model release? Of course they'd make a HH book based on the Tech Guard.

Well done to you both for missing the point.

What i'm actually saying is - FW started out saying explicitly that the skitarii are under the direct control of the fabricator general and therefore will not make an appearance and they will not be doing models for them and that we should use the rules for tech-thralls if we really want to represent them.
Up until now FW's position on the look of 40k skitarii has been that 30k skitarii will look VERY different to the 40k skitarii (barbarian look/feel was conveyed in books released so far) and this new picture is a bit of a turnaround.
There are inconsistencies waiting for a direct port of the skitarii codex to 30k; Ironstriders for example are stated in the skitarii codex as only being perfected well after the HH, yet, there they are and apparently with a volkite weapon if there's any continuity in the BL artwork..

There hasn't been any clarification accidental or otherwise on the existence of phosphor weapons before the HH but there's one is in the pic..

And all made more confusing by the fact they kept away from featuring the neutron laser on one of the onagers (that was discovered just before the HH).

Do you see what i'm saying now?

Wasn't there skitarii on Calth defending the giant tower of war winning importantness?

 SirDonlad wrote:


Do you see what i'm saying now?

That you're overanalyzing a picture? Given the reversal of technological progress almost everything that exists in 40K existed in 30K.

The skits in Know No Fear are described as having cloaks and energy weaponry...that's it. Completely consistent with the picture.

Wasn't there a HH book entirely about the scrap code on Mars getting out?

Crazyterran wrote:Wasn't there skitarii on Calth defending the giant tower of war winning importantness?

Sounds cool! i haven't read that one, might have to borrow it from a mate.

heshman wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:


Do you see what i'm saying now?

That you're overanalyzing a picture? Given the reversal of technological progress almost everything that exists in 40K existed in 30K.

The skits in Know No Fear are described as having cloaks and energy weaponry...that's it. Completely consistent with the picture.

Not just me, many 30k players are very exited by this.
http://battlebunnies.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/skitarii-30k-compatible.html
The image of skitarii has changed from book to book, over at battlebunnies there has been a lot of discussion of what they looked like then and now - 'Know no fear' and 'Titanicus' both provide info on what they looked like. KnoF states they wear a "threat-posture type armour" and (as you say) the weapons are energy weapons - stark contrast to the skitarii codex fluff on the galvanic rifle which expressly fires "servitor-bullets" (slow clap to GW) and the "skitarii war-plate" which is basicly a moisture gathering device with a thin external layer of ceramite-alloy; it uses that moisture to lubricate the inside of the suit. so it can be worn for years at a time.

Here is the original discussion from battlebunnies when we all were trying to work out what was fluffy and what wasn't:
http://battlebunnies.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/codex-skitarii-search-for-30k.html

In regards to the 'discovery' of tech within the imperium - yes, it's all technically been designed thousands of years before the great crusade, but many pieces of tech are 'discovered' after the HH: the TL lascannon predator is a good example.

n0t_u wrote:Wasn't there a HH book entirely about the scrap code on Mars getting out?

Spoiler:

Kinda, the books most interesting feature is 'Dalia' - hard spoiler incoming!
IIRC The issuance of scrap-code first happens at the start of a large titan-engagement - i can't remember too much more as it's been a while since i went through it. but the sperical thing feths-up stuff real good!

Scrapcode is released when

 Verviedi wrote:
Scrapcode is released when

Spoiler:

Kelbor-Hal first opens the Vaults and Olympus Mons is completely corrupted. I didn't notice any Titan engagements occuring at that time.

Ah! forgot about that!

It must be knight titans then

Cheers for the clarification anyway, I'm going to have another look at 'mechanicum' - i don't like being incorrect.

 SirDonlad wrote:
the weapons are energy weapons - stark contrast to the skitarii codex fluff on the galvanic rifle which expressly fires "servitor-bullets" (slow clap to GW)

Just want to clarify this line.

It's not the first instance of 'servitor' weaponry nor is it as silly as you might seem to think. The Hunter-Killer Missiles that the Guard and Marines use are guided by a servitor brain. Imperial emplacements use a rudimentary servitor brain as well.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:
the weapons are energy weapons - stark contrast to the skitarii codex fluff on the galvanic rifle which expressly fires "servitor-bullets" (slow clap to GW)

Just want to clarify this line.

It's not the first instance of 'servitor' weaponry nor is it as silly as you might seem to think. The Hunter-Killer Missiles that the Guard and Marines use are guided by a servitor brain. Imperial emplacements use a rudimentary servitor brain as well.

Cool.

My mind made an image of a brain and a bullet side by side and immediately started flagging up 'physics error'

edit: i had a peek at your gallery - that is a proper ammount of skitarii!

 SirDonlad wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:
the weapons are energy weapons - stark contrast to the skitarii codex fluff on the galvanic rifle which expressly fires "servitor-bullets" (slow clap to GW)

Just want to clarify this line.

It's not the first instance of 'servitor' weaponry nor is it as silly as you might seem to think. The Hunter-Killer Missiles that the Guard and Marines use are guided by a servitor brain. Imperial emplacements use a rudimentary servitor brain as well.

Cool.

My mind made an image of a brain and a bullet side by side and immediately started flagging up 'physics error'

Think of it more like the "smart" explosive bullets that are in testing now for the .50 caliber rifles. They have very little in the way of intelligence beyond "bullet hit target--bullet goes pew!", with the "pew!" in this case being the target getting slammed with an absurd amount of an electrical discharge instead of a focused explosion.

edit: i had a peek at your gallery - that is a proper amount of skitarii!

Thanks man. I've got another 3 units of Skitarii, another Ironstrider Ballistarii, two more Onagers(Icarus Arraaaaaaaaaaays!), and two more units of Ruststalkers to build for my Skitarii...I might have gone slightly overboard with what started as an Allied detachment for my Imperial Guard.

My Cult Mechanicus stuff is a bit less impressive with two units of Kastelans, two Tech-Priest Dominus, and two units of Kataphron Destroyers. Of that collection--I have half built.

GW flavor of the months appearing in new BL books is always disheartening and shows the current state well.

Not that Skitarii (albeit non-codex identical) in the HH books are a new thing.

I'm more annoyed about the fact it's another bloody limited edition book.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I'm more annoyed about the fact it's another bloody limited edition book.

yeah me too. ESPECIALLY given that the last HH LE still has copies for sale. you'd think BL'd clue in that no one in their right mind is gonna pay 80 bucks for a god damned novel

Remember Black Library happily put a picture of Sons of Horus on the book with Luna Wolves in, then put the picture of Luna Wolves on the subsequent book with Sons of Horus in.

Just because it has modern Skitarii on the cover, doesn't mean it'll have them in it.

Cover artists are the least reliable source for book contents, second only to blurb writers, and slightly ahead of online reviewers.

Gashrog wrote:Remember Black Library happily put a picture of Sons of Horus on the book with Luna Wolves in, then put the picture of Luna Wolves on the subsequent book with Sons of Horus in.

Just because it has modern Skitarii on the cover, doesn't mean it'll have them in it.

Furyou Miko wrote:Cover artists are the least reliable source for book contents, second only to blurb writers, and slightly ahead of online reviewers.

Absolutely, the wish is the father of the thought, but i would like to point out that in the (massive!) error Gashrog pointed out, they didn't change the look or colour of the chapter in question, they 'just' got the wrong chapter.

Have they portrayed a dark angel on any HH novella cover art yet? If they appear in black armour it will seal the deal. (for me at least)

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Cover artists are the least reliable source for book contents, second only to blurb writers, and slightly ahead of online reviewers.

Black Library might be somewhat more reliable than mainstream publishers, due to their nature, but generally if the cover artist and designer have read anything more than the title of the book before doing their work, that's exceptional.


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 SirDonlad wrote:
Well done to you both for missing the point.

What i'm actually saying is - FW started out saying explicitly that the skitarii are under the direct control of the fabricator general and therefore will not make an appearance and they will not be doing models for them and that we should use the rules for tech-thralls if we really want to represent them.
Up until now FW's position on the look of 40k skitarii has been that 30k skitarii will look VERY different to the 40k skitarii (barbarian look/feel was conveyed in books released so far) and this new picture is a bit of a turnaround.

Forge World aren't in control of the Horus Heresy setting; They're doing pretty well following what Black Library have done, but to an extent, they're both approaching it independently. Plus, why would each fabricator make his or her Skitarii like everybody else?