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dogma wrote:Well, one other issue is that if carrying a firearm is considered a civil right, and therefore subject to civil rights protections, one must subsequently ask what other 'creeds' are subject to such protection.

I'm going to shorten and simplify all of these:

1.) Freedom of Speech, Press, Petition and Assembly.*
2.) The Right to Bear Arms. *
3.) Soldiers cannot be forcefully quartered into someone's home during peace time, with congressional support can be put into affect in war times.
4.) Makes Search and Seizures without a warrant illegal.*
5.) Indictments, Due Process, Self-Incrimination, and double Jeopardy, and rules for Eminent Domain
6.) Right to a fair and speedy public trial, to notice of accusations, to confront the accuser, to subpoenas, and to counsel.
7.) Right to Trial by Jury in Civil Cases.
8.) No excessive bail or fines, or cruel and unusual punishment.
9.) Unenumerated Rights
10.) Limits Power of Federal government to only those specifically granted to it by the constitution.
11.) Immunity of states from out-of-state citizens and foreigners not living within the state borders. Began Sovereign Immunity.
12.) Revised presidential election procedures.
13.) Abolishes slavery and involuntary servitude except in the case as punishment for a crime. The second part has since been erradicated by the 8th amendment.
14.) Defines citizenship and solves some civil war issues that had come up afterwards.
15.) Prohibits denial of suffrage because of race and color.
16.) Brings in income tax
17.) direct election of senators
18.) no more beer
19.) Women's suffrage
20.) Sets time for when congress and president become active
21.) repeals 18th amendment
22.) limits president to 2 terms maximum with 10 years at the most.
23.) Washington D.C. recognized in electoral college.
24.) No more poll taxes.
25.) Presidential Succession
26.) voting age set to 18
27.) No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened.

Well there is our constitution. The ones constantly infringed upon by either laws, rules, idiocy or intentionally over looked have a star beside them.

Nothing you have listed deals in civil rights.

Additionally, exempting the abolition of slavery, none of the rights enumerated by the Constitution apply to any non-governmental actor.

This is nothing more than a case of my knowing the explicit text of the Constitution, and you not knowing it.

Just putting an orkmoticon on a gratuitous nationalist insult does not make it "all right", Fateweaver.

Isn't the OP of this thread somewhat of an insult, Killkrazy?

If you think it is then please click the yellow triangle to complain.

Monster Rain wrote:Isn't the OP of this thread somewhat of an insult, Killkrazy?

Question vs. Statement

Truth vs. Fallacy

Americans in general like guns. That is not insulting.

British people do not have bad oral hygeine. That is insulting.

sA

smiling Assassin wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Isn't the OP of this thread somewhat of an insult, Killkrazy?

Question vs. Statement

Truth vs. Fallacy

Americans in general like guns. That is not insulting.

British people do not have bad oral hygeine. That is insulting.

sA

It wasn't insulting but I'm not so sure the original assumption of this thread is true, namely, that Americans in general like guns. Depending on what you mean by like, I don't see a majority when averaged out throughout the country.

Fair play.

"In general" probably takes it too far, but America's probably the most gun-obsessed (as far as that goes, as you say probably not too far) western nation. No?

sA

I think its fair to state that Americans 'in general' appear to enjoy firearms. At least given the statistics relating to their ownership.

smiling Assassin wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Isn't the OP of this thread somewhat of an insult, Killkrazy?

Question vs. Statement

Truth vs. Fallacy

Americans in general like guns. That is not insulting.

British people do not have bad oral hygeine. That is insulting.

sA

Austin Powers wasn't a documentary? Okay...

Henners91 wrote:Hey all,

For starters, I'm not that against guns... I mean, I can see both sides, I can appreciate guns as machines though I don't know too much about them and I wouldn't say no to owning one.

But ack, Americans actually scare me with their knowledge about guns: Go on YouTube and you see them arguing for days about little bits, and of course, some people actually seem to be sexually aroused by their weaponry (the same kinds of people who'd wear sunglasses indoors and drive a Hummer/SUV: Over-compensators), do less-freakish Americans feel the same way?

I'm not trying to be inciteful but I have to say I notice a difference between the UK and the US when it comes to weapons, I almost get the feeling that Americans kind of devalue life itself when they get in long-arse arguments about killing power and such: Why is this something to feel prideful over?

Fair enough you have your Second Amendment rights to buy the armoury of a small nation, but does that privilege naturally lead to such attitudes? I even heard that Texas was offering a bounty for DEAD burglars rather than living ones, though that may just be an urban legend... I guess the best way to describe how I perceive trigger-happy Yanks would be to ask Americans to watch The Eagle has Landed and keep a close eye on the American Colonel

Hippy rant over.

The wording there in the OP could reasonably be construed as insulting. I'm not saying he shouldn't be allowed to post it but to crack down on someone for saying something equally(subjective, I know) upsetting is hypocritical, no?

Anyway, not to derail the thread anymore I'll let it go at that.

dogma wrote:I think its fair to state that Americans 'in general' appear to enjoy firearms. At least given the statistics relating to their ownership.

Or course it is. Had the OP read something like "Americans in general seem to enjoy owning firearms. Why is this?" I don't think there would be an issue.

smiling Assassin wrote:Fair play.

"In general" probably takes it too far, but America's probably the most gun-obsessed (as far as that goes, as you say probably not too far) western nation. No?

sA

Wait- how is that less inflammatory than 'in general Americans like guns'? Either way it is definitely true, but this just seems more apt to provoke controversy.

On the other hand, it does appear that British dental hygiene is not bad. Due to the weird collection dates of statistics for the DFMT index, I wasn't able to find comparative data for 2 recent years for the US and the UK with my google-fu.

You can't spell Americans without guns. Otherwise you get British. We used guns to throw off the yoke of the tyrant King George, and we will continue to have guns until such time as we are convinced that no one else poses a threat to us. We've tried sitting back and staying out of it- and Japan decided to launch a sneak attack! We learned our lesson. Be nasty enough that no one wants to fight you, or shoot first. These are the American paths to peace.

We invented 'scorched Earth' and used it on our own people. Sherman's march to the sea was totally barbaric and American. Were it to happen today, we would hear 'Ride of the Valkyries' as his men ravished town after town in a smoky montage.

We drove the buffalo, and the Indians, from our plains at gun point. Other countries are known for their touching dramas and insightful social commentaries- we brought you the Western, and the buddy-cop movie. Both are dedicated to glorifying gun violence.

When we bury our honored dead, we have a 21 gun salute. We don't build monuments to them, or give them riches and servants. Americans go into the afterlife with covering fire!

Americans don't just love guns- on some deep level, we are one with guns.

Gitzbitah wrote:

smiling Assassin wrote:Fair play.

"In general" probably takes it too far, but America's probably the most gun-obsessed (as far as that goes, as you say probably not too far) western nation. No?

sA

Wait- how is that less inflammatory than 'in general Americans like guns'? Either way it is definitely true, but this just seems more apt to provoke controversy.

Nahh, it's just less incorrect factually.

sA

Ah, very good. Carry on then.

dogma wrote:I think its fair to state that Americans 'in general' appear to enjoy firearms. At least given the statistics relating to their ownership.

Keep in mind that gun owners tend to have many guns, which would increase the per capita amount. I have seven firearms, one of which is a piece of crap I was given, and I don't consider myself a hardcore firearms enthusiast.

Americans 'invented' scorched earth? Ill have to google it when i get home.. Im sure my history teacher told me it was someone else... :-)

It was the Ancient Greeks, iirc.

sA

Let's see what those ancients Greeks say when they see our guns.

Mm. They had flamethrowers.

sA

Well, it seems this thread has pretty much ran its course now, not to worry, I'm sure there'll be another, nigh on identical one any moment now