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Hey all,

For starters, I'm not that against guns... I mean, I can see both sides, I can appreciate guns as machines though I don't know too much about them and I wouldn't say no to owning one.

But ack, Americans actually scare me with their knowledge about guns: Go on YouTube and you see them arguing for days about little bits, and of course, some people actually seem to be sexually aroused by their weaponry (the same kinds of people who'd wear sunglasses indoors and drive a Hummer/SUV: Over-compensators), do less-freakish Americans feel the same way?

I'm not trying to be inciteful but I have to say I notice a difference between the UK and the US when it comes to weapons, I almost get the feeling that Americans kind of devalue life itself when they get in long-arse arguments about killing power and such: Why is this something to feel prideful over?

Fair enough you have your Second Amendment rights to buy the armoury of a small nation, but does that privilege naturally lead to such attitudes? I even heard that Texas was offering a bounty for DEAD burglars rather than living ones, though that may just be an urban legend... I guess the best way to describe how I perceive trigger-happy Yanks would be to ask Americans to watch The Eagle has Landed and keep a close eye on the American Colonel

Hippy rant over.

I'm sensing this will not go well.

Henners91 wrote:Hey all,

For starters, I'm not that against guns... I mean, I can see both sides, I can appreciate guns as machines though I don't know too much about them and I wouldn't say no to owning one.

But ack, Americans actually scare me with their knowledge about guns: Go on YouTube and you see them arguing for days about little bits, and of course, some people actually seem to be sexually aroused by their weaponry (the same kinds of people who'd wear sunglasses indoors and drive a Hummer/SUV: Over-compensators), do less-freakish Americans feel the same way?

I'm not trying to be inciteful but I have to say I notice a difference between the UK and the US when it comes to weapons, I almost get the feeling that Americans kind of devalue life itself when they get in long-arse arguments about killing power and such: Why is this something to feel prideful over?

Fair enough you have your Second Amendment rights to buy the armoury of a small nation, but does that privilege naturally lead to such attitudes? I even heard that Texas was offering a bounty for DEAD burglars rather than living ones, though that may just be an urban legend... I guess the best way to describe how I perceive trigger-happy Yanks would be to ask Americans to watch The Eagle has Landed and keep a close eye on the American Colonel

Hippy rant over.

I can only speak for myself, and not generalize about other people. I actually use my weapons for hunting, and I enjoy target practice. Like you mentioned before you even asked the question, I like taking apart and putting firearms back together. I like reading about different cartridges and projects people with more money, time, focus than I have done.

I've never heard any sort of thing like a bounty for dead burglars, and I have never heard of anyone being sexually aroused by a weapon of any sort. I do not have the right in the United States to purchase the armory of a small nation, assuming I can afford that, and arguments about stopping power and terminal ballistics are interesting academically and have applications to hunting, law enforcement, and emergency medicine. One of the reasons that people buy in to such wacky conspiracy theories about the Kennedy Assassination, to give an example, is because they have no idea how firearms and projectiles actually work.

You've broached this question in a manner that is neutral, but you've pretty much used weasel words throughout. Do you really want to know what you're asking or have you already made up your mind?

Hopefully people will view the topic as being a genuinely curious question from someone who finds it difficult to comprehend the attitude of others... Though I may have not done too good a job of disguising my views on the subject...


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Grignard wrote:I can only speak for myself, and not generalize about other people. I actually use my weapons for hunting, and I enjoy target practice. Like you mentioned before you even asked the question, I like taking apart and putting firearms back together. I like reading about different cartridges and projects people with more money, time, focus than I have done.

I've never heard any sort of thing like a bounty for dead burglars, and I have never heard of anyone being sexually aroused by a weapon of any sort. I do not have the right in the United States to purchase the armory of a small nation, assuming I can afford that, and arguments about stopping power and terminal ballistics are interesting academically and have applications to hunting, law enforcement, and emergency medicine. One of the reasons that people buy in to such wacky conspiracy theories about the Kennedy Assassination, to give an example, is because they have no idea how firearms and projectiles actually work.

You've broached this question in a manner that is neutral, but you've pretty much used weasel words throughout. Do you really want to know what you're asking or have you already made up your mind?

That's an interesting way to look at it... I guess what I've put across is that I can only feel blind bemusement toward the types of gun-owners who I'd describe as "aroused", though do understand I meant that to be people who really are far *too* into it... For example, I posted a video of some guy visiting Blackwatch to view the AA-12, when he starts talking about it being a miniature grenade launcher with ranges shotguns could never before reach, he *really* does come across as a little too obsessive to be a healthy, balanced man. I was hoping to see if there were gun owners out there who also feel that way about certain enthusiasts.

As for what you've described... whilst I'm not exactly in favour of hunting I'd never turn down a chance to use a weapon on a firing range or learn to take it apart... It is interesting, but as I said, I hear things.

Henners91 wrote:Hopefully people will view the topic as being a genuinely curious question from someone who finds it difficult to comprehend the attitude of others... Though I may have not done too good a job of disguising my views on the subject...

Then I don't know, not all Americans are the same. I don't "love" my guns. In fact, I haven't been shooting in six months now, as I've found I'd rather spend money on my miniatures hobby these days.

To me its fun hobby, and I haven't thought often about the reasons I enjoy it. If I had to generalize, I'd say that people who enjoy it probably were introduced to the shooting sports growing up or via friends. Those who don't, didn't.

For my shot guns and rifles they are for hunting, which i enjoy just like any other hobby (plus venison is the gak!)

Skeet shooting and competitive shooting with pistols is fun. Just like any other hobby i dont think it should be shunned, just cause guns are "dangerous".

I also have a pistol in my nightstand for protection.

As a Texan i have never heard of this bounty for dead criminals. But if someone breaks into your house and they are on your property uninvited, you have every right to put a bullet in them. I think you have to be able to prove they had malicious intent tho.

For me, it really is the history behind a gun that is the best thing. I live in a tourist town and hunting is not allowed except for the more western part of my state which is almost two or three hours away.

I personally own a mosin-nagant that was issued during the second world war, fixed back up by the russian government and put into surplus for WW3. My dad owns a thompson machine gun(semi-auto as we can't afford the automatic license) and an M1 Garand that belonged to my grandfather. Although we also have a couple of lower caliber weapons for target shooting at the local gun range and handguns for the same reason. We keep them locked up in a gun safe except for the nagant which doesn't fit. We did take the bolt and bayonet from the nagant and put them in the safe though.

I would have to be the opposite of shivanangel though, our shotgun is for protection. Mainly because it can deter and kill a burgler, while an alarm may temporarily scare a crook, the well known sound of a shotgun being cocked will send him running.

Like it or not, most history has revolved around guns and other weaponry. So even a person who enjoys collecting swords may also be in the same boat as a gun collector.

As to the new guns coming out, they are really cool. America was forged by war; Revolutionary, 1812, Spanish-American, Texas War of Independence, and the Civil War to name a few. I would reckon that may predispose most americans to liking guns.

@OP, you're a liberal kid. We get it.

JohnHwangDD wrote:@OP, you're a liberal kid. We get it.

Not all political liberals are against gun ownership.

Op lacks perspective if his closest view of the issue is youtube videos.

Shuma, his flag shows that he's most likely in the UK, they have no second ammendment there. And by his op, he's obviously looking for perspective and insight from those that do.

bah double post
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Grignard wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:@OP, you're a liberal kid. We get it.

Not all political liberals are against gun ownership.

They're pretty big on telling other people what to do, with a huge fukken "holier than thou" attitude while they do so...

ShivanAngel wrote:

halonachos wrote:

I personally own a mosin-nagant that was issued during the second world war, fixed back up by the russian government and put into surplus for WW3. My dad owns a thompson machine gun(semi-auto as we can't afford the automatic license) and an M1 Garand that belonged to my grandfather.

You dont have to have a license to own an automatic weapon IIRC, thats just an urban legend. You do however have to pay i think 200 dollars for an extensive background check from some organization as well as get a written request signed by the chief of police for your county. All in all it takes about 2-3 months.

It varies by state. Some states it is illegal, period. If it is legal, you have to sign some forms with the ATF, and pay your money, and there is another set of forms to fill out if you want to transfer it.

There is also something to do with date of manufacture, I'm not sure what all that involves.

There is also a curios and collectibles license that is very restrictive on date of manufacture.

I believe its a class 3 license and that extra 200 for an automatic really isn't worth it. I know that there's a license you can get to act as a dealer for weapons which will reduce the price of the weapons themselves by around $300.

My mosin-nagant required a curio/collectible license because of its age so I had to have a gun store order it for me. I think that's on any weapon over 50 years old.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Grignard wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:@OP, you're a liberal kid. We get it.

Not all political liberals are against gun ownership.

They're pretty fukken big on telling other people what to do, with a huge fukken "holier than thou" attitude while they do so...

Yes and I'm sure being called nazi socialists all the time makes them reeeaaaallly receptive to the critisism of dudes with painted shirt asians for avatars. I don't think the persecution complex or the rhetoric is really helping the thread DD.

Grignard wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:@OP, you're a liberal kid. We get it.

Not all political liberals are against gun ownership.

Name 2.

Frazzled wrote:

Grignard wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:@OP, you're a liberal kid. We get it.

Not all political liberals are against gun ownership.

Name 2.

Two?

Name one!

http://www.liberalswithguns.com/

Here's a whole website frazzled.

ShivanAngel wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Grignard wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:@OP, you're a liberal kid. We get it.

Not all political liberals are against gun ownership.

Name 2.

Two?

Name one!

Well, it depends on your definition of politically liberal. I support universal healthcare and more environmental regulation. Does that make me a liberal? I don't think so, but some would disagree. I don't think labels really can define most people's political beliefs, if they have a mind of their own, at least.

You still didn't name one.

Frazzled wrote:You still didn't name one.

Samuel L Jackson.

ShivanAngel wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Grignard wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:@OP, you're a liberal kid. We get it.

Not all political liberals are against gun ownership.

Name 2.

Two?

Name one!

Me!

Frazzled wrote:You still didn't name one.

Hunter S. Thompson

Pics or it didn't happen.

The website I was sent talks about Teddy Roosevelt as one of the great persons. Hey Teddy was a Republican President...

ShumaGorath wrote:

Frazzled wrote:You still didn't name one.

Bruce Willis.

LIES!!!!!!

Frazzled wrote:Pics or it didn't happen.

The website I was sent talks about Teddy Roosevelt as one of the great persons. Hey Teddy was a Republican President...

And we all know how much republicans love the new deal!

YOU EDITED IT!!!! MORE LIES!!!!!

Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Frazzled wrote:You still didn't name one.

Bruce Willis.

LIES!!!!!!

Yeah, that was, I edited it to sam jackson (which isn't a lie). Willis is kind of a nutty anti tax "republican" that rather dislikes the republican right but hates that 50% of his money gets taken out in taxes. A lot. Dude despises that stuff.

TheBladeRoden wrote:

ShivanAngel wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Grignard wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:@OP, you're a liberal kid. We get it.

Not all political liberals are against gun ownership.

Name 2.

Two?

Name one!

Me!

Are you a member of the NRA?
Are you a member of any 2nd Amendment advocacy program?