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 frozenwastes wrote:
Above someone mentioned that the current pledge level is too close to retail price for them to pledge. Even with $50+ shipping to the UK, it's still 100 miniatures for $150. The cheapest bones sku is 1.99, with most being 2.49 and 2.99. So the current $100 pledge level is still around what most stores would pay on a wholesale account. And if you're in the US, it's even better as you don't have the big shipping charges.

EDIT: After I saw my friend's Cthulhu last KS, I really regretted not going in on a second one with his pledge. So I think I will get this new great old one if it becomes available (and I fully expect it to).

Sure, but the kind of economy of scale that this one gives right now requires you to actually want most of the models and the mindset of "probably going to buy most of those anyway" - from the cowboys to the bugbears to the dungeon furniture - and be happy to pay for them (plus shipping, plus VAT for Europeans) and pay upfront a year in advance. So it's not the no-brainer deal that KS1 was which allowed backers to pretty much ignore figures they're not interested in...

Add to that, this was an introduction to Reaper for a lot of people who might have bought what they wanted from the miniature line whilst waiting for KS1 to arrive.

 ruff wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm currently sitting on a wave 1 core pledge, but does anyone know if I'm obligated to actually get the core set or can I just spend that on upgrades instead? Or do I have to drop to a $1 pledge that will ship much later?

No.. You can use that 100 to subtract the core and then pick your addons..

Has this been discussed before? I thought the $1 add on level was for that- add ons. At the core level, you get Core+Add ons. You don't just drop the core to make it an add on level.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 ruff wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm currently sitting on a wave 1 core pledge, but does anyone know if I'm obligated to actually get the core set or can I just spend that on upgrades instead? Or do I have to drop to a $1 pledge that will ship much later?

No.. You can use that 100 to subtract the core and then pick your addons..

Has this been discussed before? I thought the $1 add on level was for that- add ons. At the core level, you get Core+Add ons. You don't just drop the core to make it an add on level.

Although not the intent, Reaper said it was allowed.

If you have a $100 slot, and decide you dont want core but $100 ormore dollars worth of options you dont need to switch to the $1 slot and loose your place in line.

Good to know - I might hand on to my wave one $100 slot and use it for add-ons only.

Thanks for the heads up on that!

I suppose if enough cool stuff keeps getting added to the expansions I may have to convert mine as well.(but I doubt it)

Sweet deal. Now hopefully Expansion 3 gets filled with modern/sci-fi stuff and I can just take two of those and combine them with Deadzone and Mars Attacks for a spiffy XCOM game.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
(I'll guess wave 'after everything else is done')

Which will most likely be January 2015, or thereabouts. The shipping times this time arong are among the longest I've ever seen.

Reaper has stated that the spread out delivery goals are intended to give people a realistic idea of how long it will take to ship out (currently) 13k+ backers, but that hopefully they won't need the full time.

Managing people's expectations like that seems to be a good thing, in my opinion. Much better than having 10 or 20 thousand backers clamoring for info because there's been a two week delay or something.

Honestly, I think it's a rather elegant way of managing a simply massive campaign, and wouldn't be surprised to see more campaigns use such a technique in the future.

I hope this starts picking up steam soon.

More translucent figures being added to expansion #2. This time in smoky purple!

So when was the last thing added to the Core that wasn't bases? Seriously it's going to be $550k between free upgrades to the core at this point...

 Hulksmash wrote:
So when was the last thing added to the Core that wasn't bases? Seriously it's going to be $550k between free upgrades to the core at this point...

Seriously. Someone said earlier that Reaper had stretched out the expansions to help make it seem like we were unlocking stretchgoals more quickly. I think it's had the opposite effect. Psychologically, it feels like everything is going into these expansions and they're moving far too slowly to be very exciting. Until it's fully unlocked, the entire thing just feels like one big tease. I don't think it would be quite such a problem if only they hadn't tried to unlock two expansion at the same time.

Right now I'm only interested in the chronoscope expansion, and only if they actually add some figures to it. I have a bunch of terrain already, the aliens are okay, but not enough to make it worth $50. If they don't fully unlock it (with good stuff) it just isn't worth getting in my opinion.

Pic of the shadow translucents:

Oooh, purty!

Haven't had the chance to do this myself yet, but apparently the translucents (fire from the last set) really pop with just a dry brush.

 Hulksmash wrote:
So when was the last thing added to the Core that wasn't bases? Seriously it's going to be $550k between free upgrades to the core at this point...

Around this dollar amount in Bones 1, I think it was about $200,000 between goals, and it went to $400,000 per right after that.

The options in between those free addons helps to pad the production costs and avoid those huge goals. Even so, 150 or so figures for $100 isnt too bad already.


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czakk wrote:
Haven't had the chance to do this myself yet, but apparently the translucents (fire from the last set) really pop with just a dry brush.

Transparent PVC inks work wonders. They adhere chemically, and tint it just enough. Highly flammable though while wet...and I hear they cause cancer in California. I used them on the ghosts from Bones one and liked it enough to order a full set of colors for doing the fire elementals as well.

The updates have really started bugging me. They keep saying that they have more core upgrades to add, but when was the last time they revealed a new one? I'm not counting those base upgrades, either. I wish they'd start revealing some new core items.

 Barzam wrote:
The updates have really started bugging me. They keep saying that they have more core upgrades to add, but when was the last time they revealed a new one? I'm not counting those base upgrades, either. I wish they'd start revealing some new core items.

I get that we all want more stuff for our pledge, but I really don't get this constant refrain.

It is obvious from this campaign that they learned from Bones I and know how much they need for each new set of minis. They broke things down into the Core set and the expansions to prevent them from 'taking a loss' (whether they do or not) on crazy amounts of minis in the core set. Sure, I would love more minis on my pledge, but I get what they are doing. They learned their lesson and are insulating themselves against wild success.

Keep in mind that those base stretches were "trick" cards that popped up in between long stretches.

It looks like we've got nothing but long stretches coming.

Barzam's right though- we haven't seen an actual core stretch since the Under the Sea stretch.

I'm sure Reaper is trying to pace things out and keep things under control. I know things will probably pick back up in the last couple of days, which we're almost at anyways. I hope we see the massive upswing that most campaigns have at the end. It will be interesting to see just how high it goes, because it certainly doesn't feel like much higher at the moment.

Both expansions still have 4 slots left to unlock too. I'm hoping they end up with some more interesting pieces, because neither one is jumping at me as much as the first (then again I've been wanting a dragon turtle and those nefsokar avatars anyways).

My problem is more the fact that they've been teasing that there's more to come, but they haven't shown anything. They've been saying this for a good while now. Pretty much since the undersea stuff was added they've been saying that they have more, but every update since then has shown only paid add-ons. I'd just like them to reveal what the next core upgrade is. I don't care that it's several hundred thousand dollars off.

So what you're saying Sean is that they have increased the amount between goals for free stuff from the first kickstarter by 50%-75%. (i.e. close to 670k between freebies).

I understand they are applying what they learned from the first kickstarter but that doesn't make the wait to see if it's worthwhile to stay any better

 Hulksmash wrote:
I understand they are applying what they learned from the first kickstarter but that doesn't make the wait to see if it's worthwhile to stay any better

Oh, I agree. I'm still waffling on whether I'm staying in. I have so many minis and our D&D group has really died for a while, so I don't know if I need more. I have a wave 2 that I'm still in, but trying to decide to dump it or not. I'll probably wait until the last day to decide.

Even with the increase in cost to ship to international backers in the Bones I KS, Reaper didn't actually lose money. With international backers paying the US postal subsidy and full international shipping on top, combined with the titanic gaps between stretch goals, I can see Reaper looking at a tidy profit when this KS ends...

It would also be nice to see more stretch goals at once, so there is more chance people will see something they actually want.

 CptJake wrote:
Right now I'm only interested in the chronoscope expansion, and only if they actually add some figures to it. I have a bunch of terrain already, the aliens are okay, but not enough to make it worth $50. If they don't fully unlock it (with good stuff) it just isn't worth getting in my opinion.

I agree. I was hoping the expansions would be more themed. I was excited when I saw the City Guard. I thought we were going to get a whole expansion of cavalry/army types. Then they added angels, and then tentacles...

The same thing with the Chronoscope expansion. I was hoping for more terrain and pulp/scifi humans. I'm not huge on the Xerg/Nid aliens.


Hopefully further unlocks will be closer to what I had originally hoped.

So it would seem KS1 had the intention of earning funds to make a product possible, KS2 is a pre order to make a profit possible?

Joyboozer wrote:
So it would seem KS1 had the intention of earning funds to make a product possible, KS2 is a pre order to make a profit possible?

Somewhere in all this someone mentioned they were trying to get more/bigger plastic injection machines in addition to many many more molds tooled for bones.

Joyboozer wrote:
So it would seem KS1 had the intention of earning funds to make a product possible, KS2 is a pre order to make a profit possible?

(Not my math, from another very reputable website)
Okay, let's break this down.

1. Pledge at least $1. You can order anything you like that's available. Just want a particular dragon? Pledge $15, chose the $1 option, and when pledge manage comes around say "I want this $15 dragon" and reaper will be all like "Cool, we'll take your pledge and give you the $15 dragon as a reward after we make it."

2. Pledge $100, Get the Core: Curretly sitting at 153 minis and 70-odd bases. Roughly 0.44 per piece, (or 0.65 per mini and the bases are all free, whatever)

3. Pick and chose your Additions: On the orange backgrounds you've got a buffet of choices ranging from $10 to $30. Pick which ones you like, increase your basic pledge by that amount (or TO that amount)

4. The Expansion Sets: Each one is $50.
>Currently, Set 1 is the only complete one (39 figures for $50, or $1.28 apiece for multiple large figures).
>Expansion set 2. is only up to 12 figures for $50 ($4.16 per figure, Fairly close to Bones retail on large figures)
>set 3 which is 10 figures for $50 ($5 per. Again, close to bones retail, and a damn good deal on that terrain.)

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Even if Reaper has decided to make a better profit this time, this is still quite the deal even in the expansions IMHO.

Joyboozer wrote:
So it would seem KS1 had the intention of earning funds to make a product possible, KS2 is a pre order to make a profit possible?

They have the same intention. Earn funds to make a product possible. The difference is that for KS1, they wholly underestimated the response and took a hit on it, there's all sorts of figures on ROW shipping, blah de blah, look it up. This time they are taking a more measured approach so that they can spend more of the money doing what they want to do which is making a product (and future products through new injection molding, etc) possible.

That's not quite accurate Pretre. Without the after survey/pledge manager they still profitted on the first KS. Was it a high profit? Nope. But it was a profit on top of tons of new machines and production.