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Maybe you should complain to them and not to us. Not trying to be harsh but if you haven't received anything yet, I'd be talking to Mantic.

 pretre wrote:
Maybe you should complain to them and not to us. Not trying to be harsh but if you haven't received anything yet, I'd be talking to Mantic.

I am. And there has been a lot of back and forth. And mostly the responses from Mantic have been good.

But seeing people post how they already received "missing bits", before I even got the box to check if bits might be missing, I had to vent some steam by leaving a comment. It shall not happen again.

As said, as of 2-3 weeks ago, (and a lot of emails), I managed to get my price from the Dakka-Mantic Naming Contest from late 2012.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/478756.page

It's not a Zzor, as they're gone, and the rulebook credits that were promised never happened, but I am happy to have a nice resin miniature now.

I also won a Resin mini during the Deadzone Kickstarter. Maybe they have a policy of shipping to contest-winners last?

fair enough, I

thought it was an outside chance but worth asking the question as it seems poor even for Mantic to have failed to get anything to you at all by now

Still no word on my missing bits, but I guess I'm further away than most

I like those civilians. Does the kid on the right look a tad out of proportion or is it just me? Definitely sold on the rest of them, just enough cheesecake to satisfy the background, not so much that I'd be embarrassed to paint and display them.

NTRabbit wrote:
Still no word on my missing bits, but I guess I'm further away than most

Reminds me I have to ask again for that acrylic board (normal and ultimate) they have yet to send me.

Jake Thornton's been doing a lot of Deadzone things on his blog, including the FAQs however, he's just released an article all about the Infinite Fight thing.

^Jake, isn't it? Thanks for reminding me to read that. Faq looks good too.

Sorry, yes, Jake...

I've been watching Kiefer Sutherland on TV...

Haha, my buddy is all excited about a new mini season of 24 or something, though I never could get into that.

I just read the article and replied, I think models with knockback melee weapons have an enhanced opportunity to set up a chain by knocking their opponent back and moving from the newly unoccupied square to the newly occupied square their foe just got pushed into, continuing the fight. Can push just one guy a few square up to a buddy, then kill him (works great for the Mauler suit since it has an AP weapon it can switch to), then daisy chain into the next guy.

*added:

This is all if my reasoning holds up, I freely admit that I haven't gotten to play since beta.

Try a plague teraton sometime... command action, teleport, teleport, kill, teleport somewhere with 2 models in the cube, kill, free fight, kill, teleport... Overwatch can't be used vs. teleport and good luck trying to use positioning to stay away from a 2 cube teleport move.

And all of that doesn't even factor in use of a move card (which can be used to repair a broken chain or move 3 cubes to a new combat), or, more crucially, mutations.

Crazy, I didn't realize you could use any move action for the 2 space teleport, that's pretty slick. The wings always seemed scary on one of the big plague nasties.

Speaking of Plague Teratons, any suggestions for a replacement head?

I needed an arm and a codpiece for mine. Got my replacement arm, and still no codpiece. Filled in my original, but have almost a near complete 2nd Teraton now. Putting it together via bits and piece seems like a good idea, but unsure of what sort of head would fit the body best.

Any suggestions?

 scarletsquig wrote:
Try a plague teraton sometime... command action, teleport, teleport, kill, teleport somewhere with 2 models in the cube, kill, free fight, kill, teleport... Overwatch can't be used vs. teleport and good luck trying to use positioning to stay away from a 2 cube teleport move.

Um, no... Don't know what gave you the idea that teleport is a Move action. It's a long action in its own right. Which means it's effectively slower than Sprint. It just gives you the ability to go through walls and change levels.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Um, no... Don't know what gave you the idea that teleport is a Move action. It's a long action in its own right. Which means it's effectively slower than Sprint. It just gives you the ability to go through walls and change levels.

Yeup, Teleport is surprisingly slow at the end of the day.

So the fastest theoretical move for a plague Teraton is:

1) Draw the Overactive Metabolism mutation. - About a 40% chance I think
2) Spend 48 points on both the Plague Teraton and Plague Stage 1 (to get a reliable bank of Command Actions)
3) Get a successful Command Action to 'Sprint' due to Agile. - 2 cubes
4) Plague a 'Move' card - 1 Cube
5) Teleport - 2 Cubes
6) Attack someone that isn't on a walkway, or has a Stage 2 in the same Cube. Kill them and double
7) Attack someone standing beside them in the next cube.


So that's 5 cubes and you're completely stuffed if you didn't get Agile on the model. And Plague Teratons can only sit there and shout at models on Walkways. Plus the rest of your team is 3 guys and a dog.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Don't know what gave you the idea that teleport is a Move action.

Posting at 3am, most likely.

Still, if you do get agile it's pretty sweet since teleport allows you to ignore overwatch and climb 2 levels as well as the horizontal movement.

You can probably do something similar with glide mutation, teleport up 2 cubes in the middle, then move card to glide off another 3 cubes to the ground.

Worth a shot for 100 point games, I think.

Sweet resin mini, Zweischneid. Thanks for posting it.

I'd be envious, but if I had it I'd end up modifying it for use in Deadzone, very likely ruining a very nice cast in the process.

So I'm glad you have it.



As for the rest of you, aren't you a bit too old to be playing with toys? Shouldn't you be cleaning up, or working, or minding the kids?

Shame on you.

Oh, that would include me, wouldn't it?

Scratch that. Your studied interest in miniatures is indicative of how well-adjusted, mature, and responsible you all are. I'm so very proud of you.

Carry on.

 Zweischneid wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Maybe you should complain to them and not to us. Not trying to be harsh but if you haven't received anything yet, I'd be talking to Mantic.

I am. And there has been a lot of back and forth. And mostly the responses from Mantic have been good.

But seeing people post how they already received "missing bits", before I even got the box to check if bits might be missing, I had to vent some steam by leaving a comment. It shall not happen again.

As said, as of 2-3 weeks ago, (and a lot of emails), I managed to get my price from the Dakka-Mantic Naming Contest from late 2012.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/478756.page

It's not a Zzor, as they're gone, and the rulebook credits that were promised never happened, but I am happy to have a nice resin miniature now.

I also won a Resin mini during the Deadzone Kickstarter. Maybe they have a policy of shipping to contest-winners last?

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Ah, yes... that helpful watermark from Wargames Vault that goes right over the top of the page numbers so you can't see them.

I always end up stripping the DRM off my copies and going through and deleting the watermark on each page. I've paid for my copy, don't want that gak on it getting in the way!

Might end up adding bookmarks if I do start using the .pdfs more regularly (need a decent-sized cheap e-reader that doesn't weigh more than the book itself before I'll consider it).

Got my replacements yesterday, woo. Now I have enough to play Enforcers vs Enforcers aor Marauders vs Marauders

 scarletsquig wrote:
Ah, yes... that helpful watermark from Wargames Vault that goes right over the top of the page numbers so you can't see them.

I always end up stripping the DRM off my copies and going through and deleting the watermark on each page. I've paid for my copy, don't want that gak on it getting in the way!

Might end up adding bookmarks if I do start using the .pdfs more regularly (need a decent-sized cheap e-reader that doesn't weigh more than the book itself before I'll consider it).

I dunno- I quite like having the watermark there.. kinda says "this is mine b**ches"

Interesting snippets from the latest issue of Ironwatch:

- Warpath 3.0 currently being developed, nothing more for Warpath 2.0 in terms of rules development will happen.

- There will not be a Deadzone Kickstarter this year. (yes, I know the previous talk on this topic was that there would be a mini-KS for it this year, that is likely to have been cancelled for the time being).

So, this leaves us with something like:

Q3 - DKH 4 Kickstarter (Jake is teasing at it already).
Q4 - Possibly Kings of War Kickstarter. Possibly Warpath Kickstarter. Possibly "new IP" Kickstarter. Possibly no Kickstarter.

If anyone is going to the Open Day, make sure to get an answer on this one.

Does that mean 3.0 will not be an update to 2.0 but an entirely different system? That's a shame if it is, as I think 2.0 is a great ruleset, and much, much better than 1.0

 scarletsquig wrote:
There will not be a Deadzone Kickstarter this year. (yes, I know the previous talk on this topic was that there would be a mini-KS for it this year, that is likely to have been cancelled for the time being).

They'll want to get that info confirmed before they close their Dreadball Xtreme pledge manager - I for one would consider putting more into DBX if I don't have to save up for another Deadzone KS.

I won't be disappointed if there isn't a second Deadzone KS this year. Great game, but I've already invested a fair amount in it, and I have my work cut out for me getting it all cleaned and painted. And I haven't even gotten my boosters, Asterians, Forge Fathers, etc. from the second survey yet!

I doubt they'd launch Warpath before doing another Deadzone KS, either. I think it would be too useful for them to get some more hard plastic sprues and restic specialists out of a Deadzone 2.0 KS before launching the big campaign. DBX could be it for Mantic sci-fi this year.

Which would be great. A nice breather for my wallet and workbench.

Thanks SS, I hope that this information is true. I feel that Mantic really needs to take a breather from Kickstarters and take a look at their business model. It's time to decide whether they want to be known as a cheap supplier of minatures or if they want to go back to their quality roots.

 Paradigm wrote:
Does that mean 3.0 will not be an update to 2.0 but an entirely different system? That's a shame if it is, as I think 2.0 is a great ruleset, and much, much better than 1.0

I don't actually know for certain, but to me it wouldn't be a new system at all, just an increment on the current system that is so large it gets its own version number, like patching a video game - tiny patches are 2.0 build 451, small patches are 2.1, big patches are 3.0. I think it just means there's not going to be any more tweaks to 2.0 publicised anymore, it's all going into 3.0 for release whenever that happens.

Also, got my missing parts today, and they sent me an MVP I didn't already have, score

They're re-writing the army lists, so it looks like major changes are taking place.

2.0 is okay, but needs:

- A better activation system (current system involves a ton of dice rolling and units spending turns staring into space and is more complex than Deadzone's system).
- A better method of handling shooting (Currently 7+ to hit on d6 is pretty much average and nothing dies, saturation weapons rule the meta).
- A more interesting method of handling shooting (some sort of blaze away equivalent would be awesome).
- A better Nerve system that incorporates suppression.
- A better set of LoS rules.
- A way of taking the best parts of both unit-based and model-based games and combining the two.

With that last part, there's a few things I'd really like to see:

- Unit-based stats, model-based movement.
- Reduced counters. Instead, count removed models as wound counters for the purposes of Nerve tests (quicker, less table clutter).
- LoS simplified Deadzone-style and strict area terrain rules to allow for unit-based interaction on the tabletop.

"Can the unit leader see every model in the unit?" Yes/No Yes = +1 Clear Shot bonus.
"Are all the target models positioned in an area of terrain designated as hard cover?" Yes = -1 Cover negative.

I know they want to do their own thing, but damn, I'd like some rules that encompass my 40k collection properly. GW has lost the plot bigtime..

 scarletsquig wrote:
- A better method of handling shooting (Currently 7+ to hit on d6 is pretty much average and nothing dies, saturation weapons rule the meta).

I've been pondering whether a system similar to BFG would work here. Units have a firepower and a small selection of factors lead to a column shift to determine how many dice they actually use for that class of weapon.

Having units reduced to half strength or less would halve the dice, but otherwise you wouldn't calculate base dice on a model basis.

 scarletsquig wrote:
- Reduced counters. Instead, count removed models as wound counters for the purposes of Nerve tests (quicker, less table clutter).

I was also thinking about this earlier in the week. Whether once you've resolved the shooting process to end up with X damage, you then looked up X damage on a chart (was toying with it for 40k, hence the terms) which determined model removal and psychology effects eg
0-1: Pinning check
2-3: 1 model removed, Pinning check
4-6: D3 models removed, Morale check
7-9: 2D3 models removed, Morale check
10+: something really bad!

 Azazelx wrote:
I know they want to do their own thing, but damn, I'd like some rules that encompass my 40k collection properly. GW has lost the plot bigtime..

I suppose it depends on what your collection is - taking some of the new guys created for Deadzone into account, it's pretty easy to translate a colllection of Guard, Marines or Orks, most infantry units at least have analogues. On the other hand, Chaos Marines and Daemons have an aesthetic that doesn't math the Warpath universe, and nor really do Sisters of Battle. Once we've seen them Eldar or Tau might make a passable Asterian force. Some people will be hoping for a lot of Warpath vehicle entries.