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Everything.

My collection is everything.

Latest newsletter has what looks to be production sculpts of the plague zombies and enforcers:

I think I like the zombies, but I wish I could see the front of them. They are all definitley at very wonky angles. Correct me if I'm wrong, but their waists are ball socket, so you can fix that, correct?

Yeah, they're all ball/socket and have been glued on at very wonky angles there.

The default pose should be like the one second from the right, lurching forwards.

Good, I plan on getting some on my DBX survey. Are they supposed to hit retail any time soon? I know we've all talked about them before, but I can't seem to remember when they are due to hit retail.

Zombies expansion is currently planned for a December retail release.

Is it me or do these enforcers look a bit more "stocky" than their resnic counterparts?

Not that that's a bad thing.

I love the new terrain.. but have they said when the ruined buildings will be ready? I know you can get a couple of sprues if you preorder a lot, but I just want to get a bunch of ruined stuff

They've definitely beefed them up, especially the legs!

So how many boxes of zombies you buying Squig 1, 6, or 40?

They don't look too bad from the back and if I recall correctly their meant to be fully compatible with the KoW zombies, so tons of variety.

(come to think of it, I haven't posted in any Mantics threads in ages, considering how much I like their stuff)

Zombie Dance Party!

Loving the look of the zombies. Can't wait to get my mits on them.

But The Enforcers... I'm not sure about yet. Their legs and general poses look better than the current, but the shoulders look, I don't know, slumped and weak. I'm not a fan of WoW style over the top shoulder pads, but that pic makes them look a little like single peice bendy plastic minis. I think I need to see more before I decide how excited I am.

 scarletsquig wrote:
They've definitely beefed them up, especially the legs!

Sure hope they still fit in with the restic specialists.

I had to give in and go for the four pack of zombie sets, too good of a deal. They'll be joining my corporation zombie marines and some strain models in a mega mixed SF zombie horde.

 Azazelx wrote:
I know they want to do their own thing, but damn, I'd like some rules that encompass my 40k collection properly. GW has lost the plot bigtime..

How so? I'm asking in a way that I cna compare 40k to WP rather than inviting a GW-slanging match BTW, I've been out of 40k too long to have a point of reference anymore.

 squall018 wrote:
Good, I plan on getting some on my DBX survey. Are they supposed to hit retail any time soon? I know we've all talked about them before, but I can't seem to remember when they are due to hit retail.

Aren't the zombies shown in that pic fan-made conversions? I'm sure I remember seeing them before, but from a different angle.

Mantic then had a 'Corporation Zombie' sale (I think over Halloween?) where you could buy a combined set of Corporation Marines and Zombies together.
I forget the details of it unfortunately, my memory is terrible!

 .Mikes. wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
I know they want to do their own thing, but damn, I'd like some rules that encompass my 40k collection properly. GW has lost the plot bigtime..

How so? I'm asking in a way that I cna compare 40k to WP rather than inviting a GW-slanging match BTW, I've been out of 40k too long to have a point of reference anymore.

An overly-agressive release schedule, out of control ally options, codices and minidexes and datafaxes and dataslates and options and units stripped out of the core codices to be returned via DLC - and the sort of thing that used to be a Chapter Approved article or part of a combined Codex (Eye of Terror, et al) becomes a full-price standalone, possibly-limited edition book. And on and on. I still (generally) love GW's models, but the game has become a massively contrived and confused mess, even if you have the resources and contacts to get each release for free - so the cost is partly a factor, but just keeping track of all the releases and gak these days would require an index that is updated weekly.

Edit: ^^ Or, i guess there's comparing the rules themselves

 .Mikes. wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
I know they want to do their own thing, but damn, I'd like some rules that encompass my 40k collection properly. GW has lost the plot bigtime..

How so? I'm asking in a way that I cna compare 40k to WP rather than inviting a GW-slanging match BTW, I've been out of 40k too long to have a point of reference anymore.

He's talking about being able to use his 40k minis as a Warpath army in a believable way.

Imperial Guard, particularly Cadians but also Steel Legion, Catachans, and dozens of other not-Guardsmen from other companies, and Corporation are virtually interchangeable. Guardsmen, Lascannon and Bolter Heavy Weapon Teams, Sentinels and Snipers all have immediate analogues in Marines, Laser Cannon and Burst Laser Heavy Weapon Teams, Striders and Rangers. It's also pretty reasonable to sub in IG tanks, planes and artillery, as there are rules for them but no existing models to make you think "these guys don't look like they're supposed to".

Orks also work pretty similarly as well, as between the older Warpath stuff and the new units that came with Deadzone, there are workable analogues for almost everything in the Ork codex, albeit with some stylistic differences. Boyz = Grunts, Gretchin = Stunts, Lootas = Fraggers, Kommandos = Commandos, Burna boyz = Pyros, Meganob = Ripper suits, Storm Boyz = Jumpers, Wartrak = Raptor, Deff Dred or Killa Kan = Stuntbot, Big Guns = Artillery and AT guns, Trukk = Marauder Bull, War buggy = Raptor Quad, running out of ideas, etc

After that though it gets shaky - Enforcers and Enforcer Peacekeepers are obvious Marine and Terminator analogues and have gun and cc versions, but they're currently in the Corporation army list and are only a maybe to be their own army, which means a lot of Marine stuff like Dreads, Preds, Cents, et al don't have a use. You could try playing Marines as tall Forge Fathers, but that's about it.

If your collection is Eldar, Deldar, Tau? You're gak our of luck until the Asterian army is out, and we find out if any of them can translate.

The Tyranid analogue in fluff terms is Veer'myn, but they're really not that similar at all.

CSM and Daemons? Keep on walking, though the Daemons at least might work as Abyssals in Kings of War.

Your post is also correct - I guessed that what Mikes was asking was about rules, but you're basically right on the other stuff.

I mean, I'm only likely to be playing thematic, casual games of 40k with friends rather than aggressive PUG games in a store or tourney, so essentially I'm playing like the studio guys do, in the "correct" way, but the rules have become such a clusterfeth at this stage and a nightmare to keep track of, that while I can do it, I'm not entirely sure I can be bothered trying to do so. If Warpath can be a friendly and workable-enough game to proxy my 40k stuff for, then I might well play a lot of it using my 40k stuff - in the same way that Kings of War with it's easy accessibility (my 75 year old mum managed to play a game recently) and speed has gotten me interested in Fantasy again after giving it away due to bad rules and Herohammer.

That's what I want for my 40k figures.

Of course, I might just say "feth it" and run Rogue Trader or 40k 3rd edition in my household instead.

 Azazelx wrote:
Your post is also correct - I guessed that what Mikes was asking was about rules, but you're basically right on the other stuff.

Thanks guys. That's why I was wondering, but it's god to get different sides of an opinion.

I've heard similar opinions to yours before, Azazel. I could imagine how daunting it would be for a newbie to approach 40k for the first time. Which is a shame, as it's a great IP, but also a good opportunity for Mantic and the like.

Anyway, thanks for answering.

I think the Ip is whats keeping them going far beyond the rules. If they came on the scene today with their current rules but without their current IP I dont think anyone would purchase them. The fact there is already a large installed playerbase and that they have a hugley popular IP is whats keeping people playing not the rules.

And then 7th edition happened! Warpath still won't be in position to do any serious threatening though, not until after a successful kickstarter and then the ensuing retail launch.

Deadzone is nicely timed though, with the next major release wave hitting retail very soon.

Mantic's plan is to build up interest and slowly work on the model range via Deadzone first, then launch Warpath when they're ready.

I think we might possibly see that Warpath Kickstarter sooner than a second KoW KS the way things are going, the DZ 2.0 rumours seem to have completely evaporated and there is more talk of WP 3.0 currently in active development. Probably won't know for sure until the open day in just over a week, but I'm getting the feeling they're going for it.

I'm hoping for a Q4 KS and Q2 2015 delivery. I do not want it to be 2016 and still no Warpath.

Not sure that KoW really needs another KS right now, as a gaming system it is totally playable with only minimal need to buy proxies (which are really easy to find). I've got so much stuff I want to do with that game already that I'd be okay with minimal releases for it for another 2 years. There's the Minion Miniatures KS to keep me busy with fantasy this year anyway,and the mountain of Basileans still sitting there unassembled after nearly a year... I do want to get them assembled and painted, it's just that there's always something I'd rather do than that tedious first step of 20 minutes per mini removing mould lines and hot water bending from restic.. I got burnt out on the material just with deadzone and it'll be a while before I want to deal with it again. Haven't even touched the restic enforcers, entire faction can wait for the sprues. Current projects are a couple of small dreadball teams and digging up my old UW Syntha to proxy as DZ Asterians (the beta list rocks - so much better than my Rebs!)

The demo games I helped to run at the weekend went well, Loka is insanely popular with the general public, at times there were people politely hovering and waiting for a game to finish so they could pounce and ask to play. I was maybe expecting about 3-4 2 player games or so, ended up doing something more like 4 4-player games and 3 2/3 player games in the space of 6 hours. I had to eat lunch while teaching the rules to three people, there was zero downtime!

I'm hoping DKH will have a similar appeal as a clear-cut board game.. Mars Attacks might stand a better chance with the board gamer crowd too.

Since I'm not likely to pick up 7th right away, it would be nice if Mantic's game system allowed for the use of more lines from GW as Az commented. I know Mantic is trying to grow their own IP more and differentiate themselves, but it'd be an easier transition if they could build up a stronger playerbase by letting their collections move more easily.

On a somewhat unrelated note, at what point should I be concerned about my missing items? Figuring I'm at the tail-end since I had a bunch of stuff that I discovered at varying points, should I ping Mantic if it doesn't show after this week or next? Of course, asking that question usually ensures it shows up the next day, so...

They should have all shipped by the end of last month, but might take 2 weeks to cross the pond. I'd give it another week and a bit.

Were the Deadzone 2.0 rumors ever really a thing other than idle speculation on most of our parts?

Squig, have you heard one way or another what's next on their plate? I would imagine it's going to be either DKH or KoW, and I'm personally hoping more for the board games (as they tend to get more table time in my home).

I would imagine they might divulge something next weekend...

They came direct from Ronnie, so I'd imagine its more of a case of plans changing or the scope expanding from a DZ 2 ks to a full warpath ks. They consider the two to be the same thing as far as production goes, since every model is cross-compatible. I wouldn't rule out a pre-ks WP 3.0 release with enforcers and plague headlining as factions #5 and #6 for the game, more stuff has been tooled for DZ than was ever tooled for WP.

There's that new external IP thing they might do first as well, hopefully not though, as fun as Mars attacks was, I'd have much preferred it to be warpath.

Looking forward to warpath. Need to get some nice hard SF tanks to play with battling over my antique tank parking lot. Seriously considering turning my 7-8 rhinos into scenery. Heck, could almost fill out a dead zone map with those and some walkways

 scarletsquig wrote:

Not sure that KoW really needs another KS right now, as a gaming system it is totally playable with only minimal need to buy proxies.

Plus with recent releases Mantic have shown they don't need a KS to fill the gaps.

I agree that if Mantic run a KS like DZ for WP (doesn't need to be PDQ or even ASAP, ETC), it could really take off big time. I'd like to see that happen, I found the V1 WP rules to be really fun, and have plenty of character for how thin on the ground they were at the time.

 Azazelx wrote:
I mean, I'm only likely to be playing thematic, casual games of 40k with friends rather than aggressive PUG games in a store or tourney, so essentially I'm playing like the studio guys do, in the "correct" way, but the rules have become such a clusterfeth at this stage and a nightmare to keep track of, that while I can do it, I'm not entirely sure I can be bothered trying to do so. If Warpath can be a friendly and workable-enough game to proxy my 40k stuff for, then I might well play a lot of it using my 40k stuff - in the same way that Kings of War with it's easy accessibility (my 75 year old mum managed to play a game recently) and speed has gotten me interested in Fantasy again after giving it away due to bad rules and Herohammer.

That is awesome!

I hope that she had a good time with the game - I played a game against my girlfriend and her mum a few weeks ago, and had a blast losing. (I had 1,500 points against their combined total of 2,000 - and they did a very good job of cooperating. )

Agreed on wishing that it was easier using Space Marines (Dark Angels, in my case) with Warpath.

I... finally started selling off my Dark Angels, this year. After skipping so many editions... it just is not worth the space.

But if I could use them in Warpath? I would enjoy regretting selling off my Deathwing.

(The bulk of my army is 5th Company - Engineering ('Badger Wing'). I started the army under Rogue Trader, and decided that I wanted an engineering and vehicle recovery corps.)

The Auld Grump