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2015/08/27 23:40:17
Subject: Former Baltimore Ravens cheerleader charged with sexually assaulting a minor, sentenced
Mods, feel free to lock. I just thought it was interesting.
Info here
GEORGETOWN, Del. —Former Baltimore Ravens cheerleader Molly Shattuck was sentenced Friday to 48 weekends in jail after pleading guilty earlier this summer to a child sex abuse charge.
Shattuck, 47, pleaded guilty to fourth-degree rape in June, admitting that she performed a sex act on a 15-year-old boy at a beach house in Delaware last Labor Day.
In a Delaware courtroom on Friday, Shattuck tearfully expressed remorse and apologized to the boy and his family.
"Mrs. Shattuck is extremely sorry for any pain and all pain she may have caused. She is determined to demonstrate, at this point, to all involved her sorrow, her remorse and full acceptance of responsibility for any poor decisions she made," defense attorney Michelle Lipkowitz said.
Shattuck pleaded for forgiveness, telling the judge: "I take full responsibility for what I did. I never intended to hurt anybody. I will spend the rest of my life making this right."
Shattuck addressed the allegation that she met the boy last year through text messages sent by her own son, saying, "I never should have responded and had conversations with someone else's son."
Shattuck's lawyer blamed her involvement with the boy, in part, on being emotionally distraught by the breakup of her marriage.
"Her husband left her without a whole lot of notice for a younger woman. It was abrupt," the attorney said in court.
Shattuck's Baltimore lawyer called Friday afternoon to say Shattuck wanted to clarify what her other lawyer said in court about her marital breakup, saying: "It is categorically untrue that my ex-husband or anyone else is to blame. No one else is to blame. I take full responsibility for my actions."
Prosecutors had asked for 22 months of jail for Shattuck, while defense attorneys sought no jail time in the case. The victim's parents asked the judge for incarceration, saying the impact on their son has been "devastating" and calling Shattuck a rapist.
"Ms. Shattuck is a criminal. She stole his innocence. He is changed," the boy's mother said in court.
Shattuck's full sentence was the maximum of 15 years in prison with all suspended but 48 weekends in jail. But that time hangs over her head and would come into play if she violates probation.
Shattuck must also pay the boy's family $10,000 and register as a sex offender for the next 20 years.
"He is punishing her, but the 48 weekends, he called it the (Violation of Probation) Center, it's basically jail, while at the same time, not punishing (Shattuck's) children and giving them the opportunity to be with her most of the time," defense attorney Eugene Maurer said.
Shattuck will serve her sentence over two years. She cried throughout the sentencing hearing, which was attended by her family. Before the hearing, Shattuck could be seen praying.
The Amazing Atheist's video on this (not necessary viewing if you have stuff to do or just don't like the guy, but interesting none the less)
So, what does Dakka think of this?
Is the sentence cheap, considering the recent Jared Fogle (Subway guy) case that ended with 12 to 15 years and child visits limited to prison under their mother's discretion was due to interacting with prostitutes of minor age and possessing pornographic material of minors? (I'm not defending him, I'm just bringing up the comparison)
Is female on male violence an invisible societal ill, or is it, as some claim, just not worth considering?
Knowing this is a tetchy topic, please try and keep it civil.
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2015/08/27 23:58:49
Subject: Re:Former Baltimore Ravens cheerleader sentenced in child abuse case
My take when I usually hear people talk about this:
Spoiler:
Jared's case was going to be a bigger deal from the very beginning due to the number of victims, the fact that electronic communication was involved, and the fact that the communication and sexual encounters crossed state lines. Even without the "male-on-female/female-on-male" difference, that alone makes the cases and judgements very different.
2015/08/28 00:00:57
Subject: Former Baltimore Ravens cheerleader sentenced in child abuse case
Is the sentence cheap, considering the recent Jared Fogle (Subway guy) case that ended with 12 to 15 years and child visits limited to prison under their mother's discretion was simply due to interacting with prostitutes of legal age and possessing pornographic material of minors? (I'm not defending him, I'm just bringing up the comparison)
Personally, the sentencing is utter BS. I think that there are so many ridiculous levels of "standards" in these situations when, IMHO, there should be ONE.
Jared got off lightly (but then again, he may see "justice" if he's in general population), just as this lady got off lightly.... I personally know a guy who, to this day, I still maintain he's "taking the fall" for something that a) never occured and b) if it did occur, it didn't occur the way that the accuser claimed. and yet, because he's not famous, he got around the same time as Jared simply for the fact that he cut a deal with the courts.
Obviously, each case has slightly different variations to it, but I think that punishments should be severe, whether the person is famous, male, female, black, white or martian.
2015/08/28 00:09:41
Subject: Re:Former Baltimore Ravens cheerleader sentenced in child abuse case
d-usa wrote: My take when I usually hear people talk about this:
Spoiler:
Jared's case was going to be a bigger deal from the very beginning due to the number of victims, the fact that electronic communication was involved, and the fact that the communication and sexual encounters crossed state lines. Even without the "male-on-female/female-on-male" difference, that alone makes the cases and judgements very different.
I'll edit that part out on thinking on it, thanks for noting it.
I thought that was common knowledge since the Clinton administration.
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2015/08/28 00:19:34
Subject: Former Baltimore Ravens cheerleader sentenced in child abuse case
Without looking up the actual charges I think it was two episodes of sex with a prostitute who was under 18 (two girls or the same girl twice, not sure).
2015/08/28 00:33:13
Subject: Former Baltimore Ravens cheerleader sentenced in child abuse case
Sinful Hero wrote: I think the parents reaction is overblown. Stolen his "innocence"? It sounds like an appeal to emotion.
It's a bad phrasing, but it certainly has affected him.
Think about it. What do you think this adolescent boy, feeling violated and vulnerable, will feel during one of the most socially active periods of his life? How will people look at him? How will he look at his friends, and woman as a whole?
It's a clichéd way of saying it, but there is a notable effect.
Without looking up the actual charges I think it was two episodes of sex with a prostitute who was under 18 (two girls or the same girl twice, not sure).
Sorry, thanks for reminding me. Will update.
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2015/08/28 00:45:05
Subject: Former Baltimore Ravens cheerleader sentenced in child abuse case
The sentence is bs. Every other weekend for a couple of years? If served consecutively it adds up to a few months. If a man in his forties did similar with a 15 year old girl after plying them with drink he'd want a long prison term to avoid a lunch mob.
The double standards are plain, of course you can't take a *mother* from her children, so the sentence is short and at her convenience. The claim that she was having a hard time because her husband left her for a younger woman is disgusting, in what way does that reason going for a child in response? I see she says it's not an excuse and takes 'full responsibility', but still used in defense. Cheap move by her lawyer.
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Sinful Hero wrote: I think the parents reaction is overblown. Stolen his "innocence"? It sounds like an appeal to emotion.
Would you be as quick to dismiss such terminology if it was a 15 year old girl filled with drink before being made to give a blow job?
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2015/08/28 01:06:35
Subject: Former Baltimore Ravens cheerleader sentenced in child abuse case
Howard A Treesong wrote: The claim that she was having a hard time because her husband left her for a younger woman is disgusting
Somewhere, somehow, there is a man to blame amirite? I bet the lawyer felt this could float and if not it could look great if she came back saying, oh no it's only my fault. And that does look great, assuming it's sincere.
The way this woman was sentenced is just incredible. I agree with the people who say that a man in a similar situation would have likely faced a much more severe sentence.
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2015/08/28 02:42:21
Subject: Former Baltimore Ravens cheerleader sentenced in child abuse case
Sinful Hero wrote: I think the parents reaction is overblown. Stolen his "innocence"? It sounds like an appeal to emotion.
The boy was the one that reported it because he felt violated IIRC.
Ah, changes my opinion then about the situation, but that kind of rhetoric still grinds my gears.
Howard A Treesong wrote:The sentence is bs. Every other weekend for a couple of years? If served consecutively it adds up to a few months. If a man in his forties did similar with a 15 year old girl after plying them with drink he'd want a long prison term to avoid a lunch mob.
The double standards are plain, of course you can't take a *mother* from her children, so the sentence is short and at her convenience. The claim that she was having a hard time because her husband left her for a younger woman is disgusting, in what way does that reason going for a child in response? I see she says it's not an excuse and takes 'full responsibility', but still used in defense. Cheap move by her lawyer.
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Sinful Hero wrote: I think the parents reaction is overblown. Stolen his "innocence"? It sounds like an appeal to emotion.
Would you be as quick to dismiss such terminology if it was a 15 year old girl filled with drink before being made to give a blow job?
Minors cannot legally give consent so, yes, if you are not yourself a minor, any sexual act with a minor is non-consensual, thus rape.
Jared also proposed that the under-age prostitutes find even-younger girls for him.
I think that the girls were legal age of consent wherever they actually committed the act. I also wonder if you could make a prostitution charge stick of the girl couldn't consent. That's why they probably went with transporting a minor for sex across state lines and prostitution instead of rape.
2015/08/28 03:50:02
Subject: Former Baltimore Ravens cheerleader sentenced in child abuse case
This isn't the first and probably not the last case of this sort. Even when our laws are set to protect children regardless of gender it's usually less of a crime to get a boy into a sexual situation than a girl. Because, I don't know, boys are horny and can be mislead whereas girls are innocent and always taken advantage of?
edit: though not if it's a bad man misleading the boy -then it's gay and should be given the maximum sentence. If it's a female teacher doing it to one of her students she's just misguided and should be re-educated.
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2015/08/28 08:44:00
Subject: Former Baltimore Ravens cheerleader sentenced in child abuse case
Sinful Hero wrote: I think the parents reaction is overblown. Stolen his "innocence"? It sounds like an appeal to emotion.
The victim's statement is an appeal to emotion.
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2015/08/28 11:41:44
Subject: Former Baltimore Ravens cheerleader sentenced in child abuse case
timetowaste85 wrote: Oral sex isn't intercourse. It technically falls under the category of sodomy. Which is illegal in a bunch of states.
That makes even less sense.
You want to hear something dumber? In NY state, a 30 year old could sleep with a 17 year old legally. No big deal. But if the 30 year old had a nude pic of the 17 year old and was caught, there would be issues of pedophelia. Never said the BJ thing made sense. It doesn't. But there are a host of sexually based laws that are illogical over here.
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2015/08/28 11:50:22
Subject: Former Baltimore Ravens cheerleader sentenced in child abuse case
Is the sentence cheap, considering the recent Jared Fogle (Subway guy) case that ended with 12 to 15 years and child visits limited to prison under their mother's discretion was due to interacting with prostitutes of minor age and possessing pornographic material of minors? (I'm not defending him, I'm just bringing up the comparison)
Is female on male violence an invisible societal ill, or is it, as some claim, just not worth considering?
Knowing this is a tetchy topic, please try and keep it civil.
I am not a lawyer, but it all depends on the strength of the evidence, the attorneys, the judge you get, and the jury you get, along with what state/county/whatever you're in. Comparing 2 trials is never an easy thing.
I know of a case where a male police officer was convicted of having sex with a 15-16 year old female and only got 2 years suspended sentence (minimum charge). Who you get on that Jury is super important.
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