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Soon.

Wait, this isn't a Reaper thread...

~iPaint

Maybe replace "not today" with "not any time soon"

All fair points, lads, but I do think one thing is important to note here:

This is the Raging Heroes discussion thread, so, people who disagree with the prevailing general opinion (which is one of a bit of angst ) should also be welcome to post... granted, as I said, the above points are fair and if someone isn't really following the discussion, that can cause issues.

But the discussion is pretty long at this point, so some of that should be forgiven . Time to agree to disagree and move on, I think?

I only post this because I have noted a few other posters who were more positive no longer participate in the thread, and hearing an opposing view can be helpful at times to have a healthy discussion. Not everyone is going to appreciate the memes and jokes, even if most people (myself included) think they're funny, and they can engage in here too in a more serious way if they wish. Not that anyone said they couldn't, but just saying . There's room for everybody on the Raging Heroes trainwreck!

RiTides rides to the (Kickstarter) rescue - again!

I knew it, the mods are shills working as a part of the whole KS scam!

Loud'n Raging 5 minutes ago

Regarding missing renders in the Pledge Manager on some Heroines and Support:

The backers' feedback we received has been heavily weighed towards closing the Pledge Manager (PM) pretty much as announced and without delays, even if some renders are missing, so that we can begin shipping the First Wave immediately after that.
As of today, over 1700 backers have already completed their Pledge Manager.

We do understand that some backers may feel more comfortable making their selection with more renders: please be assured that we are doing absolutely everything we can to add more before the close of the Pledge Manager.

With that in mind, we are pushing out the last day of the Pledge Manager to June 17.
This has the added benefit of having the last 2 days of the Pledge Manager on Monday and Tuesday with a fully-staffed Live Chat.

Actual communication, in public rather than live chat.

They extended it by two whole days, wow.

Also, still a little more than a thousand peeps out there that still need to do their picking, that's quite a lot.

Wow indeed.

So useless. Extra two days.

AND

"Oh snap! We shouldn't end the PM time on a weekend! No one could've thought about this before setting a deadline. I mean... seriously! No one could've known that!"

With such a stretch on the final date, I wonder if they'll be able to keep their promise and ship straight away. Any of us that went for first wave models?

I'll end up with some wave 1 stuff, but having to wait on the second set of home dropship documents before I can manage my pledge.

Will be interesting to see how long it will to start pledge fulfilment for wave one pledgers.

Maybe we'll also get a more definite list of the heroines that will be in wave 2 and wave 3. Or were the bazillion remaining heroines all to be crammed into wave 2 as well?

An exchange on FB about the missing sculpts that literally made me laugh out loud:

Asharah Raging - Well, again, it's a Kickstarter. A project. Something that is subject to changes. Many of them. There is a point where some things that we very much wanted to have happen are simply not possible as we thought they would be. At the same time, we have also exceeded our commitments in other areas, such as offering spin-cast resin Heroines, which was not even hinted at during the kickstarter. I know it may be difficult to live with change, but that's what a Kickstarter project is about. For certainties, it is better to wait for products to actually be in the retail shop. There, there are few surprises, either good or bad. Then again, some products would never see the light of day if it weren't for our backers, which is why we are forever bending over backwards trying to accommodate everyone. But that's not always possible.

Paul Ellis - Except the pledge manager is fully under your control? I guess I don't understand what's requiring you to close it before all the models are done.

Asharah Raging - I hear you loud and clear Paul, and I understand where you're coming from. But there are indeed reasons for it. Otherwise, we'd do it in a jiffy.

Paul Ellis - Special secret reasons! Why not just say "Hey, if you close by the 17th, we'll ship wave one models to you. If you want to wait for sculpts, you can, but you'll miss wave 1 shipping." As best I can tell, that would make everyone happy?

Asharah Raging - No, we can't do that.
And now, I must go.

skarsol wrote:
An exchange on FB about the missing sculpts that literally made me laugh out loud:

...

Asharah Raging - No, we can't do that.
And now, I must go.

Surely I am not alone in imagining a cape swirl accompanying that?

 Buzzsaw wrote:

skarsol wrote:
An exchange on FB about the missing sculpts that literally made me laugh out loud:

...

Asharah Raging - No, we can't do that.
And now, I must go.

Surely I am not alone in imagining a cape swirl accompanying that?

You are not.

 Buzzsaw wrote:

...

Asharah Raging - No, we can't do that.
And now, I must go.

Surely I am not alone in imagining a cape swirl accompanying that?

I was imagining Poochie from that one Simpsons episode.

Because every company reveals its workings on facebook whenever anyone asks...

I went in for Wave 1 stuff, such as it is. The freebies, a box of lulus (yes, co-pledge up to his shenanigans again) and 3 heroines.

I'll let you guys know once I have a shipping notification in my inbox.

 Cyporiean wrote:

 Buzzsaw wrote:

skarsol wrote:
An exchange on FB about the missing sculpts that literally made me laugh out loud:

...

Asharah Raging - No, we can't do that.
And now, I must go.

Surely I am not alone in imagining a cape swirl accompanying that?

You are not.

EXALTED!

If only it was also animated, like that most excellent wall smashing one...

I still cannot believe that they're closing the Pledge Manager before showing at least renders for everything.

Unless that's not the case?

I haven't decided if I'm gonna pay for wave shipping yet. >.>;

 Cyporiean wrote:

 Buzzsaw wrote:

skarsol wrote:
An exchange on FB about the missing sculpts that literally made me laugh out loud:

...

Asharah Raging - No, we can't do that.
And now, I must go.

Surely I am not alone in imagining a cape swirl accompanying that?

You are not.

Spoiler:

I was picturing more this:



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On a serious note, it is really strange they are not at least getting renders before the pledge manager closes. Even work in progress renders. It is one thing to just have concept art to show during the campaign, but by the time you make people finalize what they want there really should be something that at least could be made into a physical model for them to decide upon. Or at least just admit that they just don't have them done for some reason and apologize.

Aye, after a year of hard work, they should at the very least have renders for everything..

The only issue I can see with wip renders is their penchant for scrapping stuff and starting again. So, whilst it would be nice (and I'm going to keep asking for them) it's more something to do whilst I wait to be able to manage my pledges. Lack of relevant renders just reduces the likelihood I'll spend even more money.

As for the tight deadline on the PM, maybe they're almost out of cash and need actual numbers for the production runs.

True, the sooner they ship out wave one, the sooner they can start selling those as well.

 Redbeard wrote:
My basis for this is watching how gamers behave over the last thirty years. As a group, we're willing to take an enormous amount of abuse from the companies that produce the things that we love, and forgive (if not forget) as soon as they make the next cool thing. Watch Dakka and all the posts about GWs behaviour. I see the same posters (and even myself) who dislike the direction that they take, who dislike the never-ending price increases, the blatant money-grabs, and lackluster approach to game design, yet when a new edition is released, we all buy it, and as soon as the next cool miniature comes out, we're all buying them. For all the complaints about how GW's current direction seems to be about forcing people to buy the big riptides and wraithknights, we're sure happy to buy those riptides and wraithknights because damn it, they're cool..

I didn't agree with some of the other sentiments you posted in this thread, but oh man is this ever the truth. This community as a whole deserves every imagined slight it complains about because, as a whole, we never financially punish the companies responsible for doing the things we claim upset us so much.

Also, I knew what image Cyporiean was going to post, and it still killed me laughing.

 Ouze wrote:

 Redbeard wrote:
My basis for this is watching how gamers behave over the last thirty years. As a group, we're willing to take an enormous amount of abuse from the companies that produce the things that we love, and forgive (if not forget) as soon as they make the next cool thing. Watch Dakka and all the posts about GWs behaviour. I see the same posters (and even myself) who dislike the direction that they take, who dislike the never-ending price increases, the blatant money-grabs, and lackluster approach to game design, yet when a new edition is released, we all buy it, and as soon as the next cool miniature comes out, we're all buying them. For all the complaints about how GW's current direction seems to be about forcing people to buy the big riptides and wraithknights, we're sure happy to buy those riptides and wraithknights because damn it, they're cool..

I didn't agree with some of the other sentiments you posted in this thread, but oh man is this ever the truth. This community as a whole deserves every imagined slight it complains about because, as a whole, we never financially punish the things we claim upset us so much.

Also, I knew what image Cyporiean was going to post, and it still killed me laughing.

I've done a pretty good job holding up my end of the bargain with GW. They keep raising prices, and I'll keep on not buying their product. Instead, I've been shoveling money into other smaller companies where I know my continued business is appreciated.

I'll also not pledge a single dime for any future RH Kickstarters, no matter how delicious they are.

~iPaint

Yeah, that's why I said as a whole. I don't buy Forgeworld anymore despite loving their sculpts because their QA is just so repeatedly horrid. I won't buy the next Battlefield game because of how badly BF4 was handled.

The problem is that for each of those examples that you and I abstain from, there are like, a bajillion people who shrug and just keep buying. So really, I understand why GWS keeps jacking up prices, and why they released Finecast the way they did - why feed them steak when they'll eat gak?

It's also why Raging Heroes will do another KS, regardless of how this one will end, already there are people doing the good old "shut up and take my money" whenever the next KS is mentioned.

Some folks just don't care, which is fine, just don't tell us that we shouldn't either.

 Redbeard wrote:

Right, it's all a conspiracy. You'll note, I'm not a forum mod, I only have any impact at all in the article system, and it doesn't give me any preferential treatment in the forums. If you think I've violated forum rules, please, feel free to report me or my posts. I don't think I've violated any rules, so it probably won't go anywhere. There's no reason to spread falsehoods about the mod staff though, or imply that I'm only able to post because I'm a mod.

You're basically trolling at this point, and have been for awhile. I have indeed reported you recently (not today) for trolling but I also believe it's unlikely that any action will be taken against you/that you will be given preferential treatment/soft touch because you're a (tangental, apparently) member of staff and internet-friends with the other mods. It's human nature.

We know that mods can get away with stuff that DCMs can't. And DCMs and long-time posters have a bit more leeway than newer posters and the like. It's simply the way of the internet and forums for the most part, and while I enjoy posting on Dakka, it's not especially different in that sense to other well-run forums I am/have been a member of. I'm not talking about kiddie forums hosted by a clique and their mates, either.

This thread is actually pretty light-hearted for the most part, and only darkens when people like yourself ride in to white-knight Raging Heroes to throw ridiculous hyperbole and tell the rest of us that we're unreasonable/foolish/childish for having concerns and making jokes about RH. You also seem to want to continue making posts while acting aloof and too cool to read or process or remember what people say in direct reply to yourself and your questions. It's not a good look, quite frankly.

I see Wehrkind has written a nice response as well. Kudos.

prankster wrote:

Loud'n Raging 5 minutes ago

Regarding missing renders in the Pledge Manager on some Heroines and Support:

The backers' feedback we received has been heavily weighed towards closing the Pledge Manager (PM) pretty much as announced and without delays, even if some renders are missing, so that we can begin shipping the First Wave immediately after that.
As of today, over 1700 backers have already completed their Pledge Manager.

We do understand that some backers may feel more comfortable making their selection with more renders: please be assured that we are doing absolutely everything we can to add more before the close of the Pledge Manager.

With that in mind, we are pushing out the last day of the Pledge Manager to June 17.
This has the added benefit of having the last 2 days of the Pledge Manager on Monday and Tuesday with a fully-staffed Live Chat.

Actual communication, in public rather than live chat.

Just a shame that it's pretty much meaningless communication.

 Azazelx wrote:

You're basically trolling at this point, and have been for awhile. I have indeed reported you recently (not today) for trolling but I also believe it's unlikely that any action will be taken against you/that you will be given preferential treatment/soft touch because you're a (tangental, apparently) member of staff and internet-friends with the other mods. It's human nature.

I'm glad we have such diligent watchdogs as you to make sure all potential infractions get reported. I'm sure you were a good hall monitor. Of course it came to nothing, I've done nothing wrong, other than use a tool differently than you want me to.

Just because I use a tool differently than you use it doesn't mean I'm trolling, and just because I disagree with the more vocal posters in this thread who feel righteous indignation over how RH has treated them doesn't mean I'm not allowed to express my views on the matter.

I find the idea that a person has to address every "point" directed at them to be a bit ludicrous. Are we keeping score here? Is this a formal debate?

.... white-knight ...

And of course the derogatory terms for anyone who doesn't agree with you come out. Did you report yourself for this too?

. You also seem to want to continue making posts while acting aloof and too cool to read or process or remember what people say in direct reply to yourself and your questions. It's not a good look, quite frankly.

"A good look?" We have 220 pages of this thread. We have posters who disappear for hours (and days, if not weeks) at a time. I don't typically read much over the weekend. I didn't realize there was an obligation to go back over several days posts and make sure I had addressed every possible response that may have been directed at me. That's not how I use a forum. If that upsets you so much that you have to report me, I think the issue is yours, not mine. This isn't super-serious-land, and if I miss a post here or there, is that reason to tar and feather me? I respond to the ones I read, and that interest me. Maybe you're taking this all too seriously.

Even after going out of my way to re-read everything Buzzsaw referred to, I still think you're overreacting. It still seems the that basis for all this anger stems from a one-liner made in a comment - not an actual update, but a comment. And that's the exact sort of misstep you should expect from a Kickstarter. You're all acting like "they lied to me!", when I still don't see that. I see a quick response made once, in a comment, and never formalized in an update, which was the result of a guy without much PR experience getting flustered and bombarded with questions. That approach didn't work out, so they had to back away from it. And then to go after them for not explaining all their reasons for it on facebook? Really?

It doesn't take a lot of thinking to see why they'd want to finalize the pledge manager process. This is a company that has no experience dealing with the logistics and size of this project.

From facebook (I don't recognise this as something I've seen before)

It's piling up, getting close now! #theTGG #behindthescenes #comingsoon