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2015/09/18 23:26:48
Subject: Tourists block Sea Turtles from nesting on Costa Rican beach.
Tourist mob disturbs sea turtles nesting in Costa Rica
A flood of tourists, taking selfies and using camera flashes, crowded a beach in Costa Rica and prevented sea turtles from laying their eggs along the Pacific Coast last weekend, according to local authorities.
Hundreds of sea turtles make their way to the Ostional Wildlife Refuge in Guanacaste, Costa Rica, to lay their eggs every year, according to the Tico Times.
Authorities said that tourists stood in the way of turtles and caused several to turn back into the ocean without completing their nesting ritual, Leonel Delgado, Secretary of Sitraminae, told La Nación. Tourists touched the turtles, stood on their nests and physically blocked their way, according to Delgado.
The flood of tourists was caused in part by drought plaguing the northern region, the Times reported. Typically, rivers overflow during the rainy season and the refuge is inaccessible to large groups of people.
The Secretary of Environment is investigating the incident and why authorities were unable to "control the tourism that hampered and limited the natural process of spawning of turtles," according to a post on the Environment Ministry's Workers Union (SITRAMINAE) Facebook page.
Apparently some people were sitting their kids on the pregnant turtles. How dumb do you have to be to think that's a good idea? Would you go and plonk your kid on a pregnant woman lying on the beach?
Goddamn tourists.
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2015/09/18 23:41:39
Subject: Tourists block Sea Turtles from nesting on Costa Rican beach.
It's the job of the government to secure it's wildlife areas and protect whatever natural resources they deem worth protecting. It's not the job of a tourist to be informed about turtles and interrupt their vacation to stop and consider "Hey what are those weird turtles doing?" when they're unfamiliar with such things. Certainly it'd be nice and there'd be only benefits to more people being conscious and educated about these things, but it's ultimately not a situation I can fault them for. The authorities are the ones who dropped the ball on this imo, a temporary fence or some police tape, maybe some officers or something. If an area is off limits, make it off limits.
Would you go and plonk your kid on a pregnant woman lying on the beach?
If I was a giant turtle person on break from regular life, that only had minor education if any on the lifecycle of humans and they weren't something I'd ever had contact with outside of a cartoon I watched as a kid "Middle-Aged Pirate Mutant Humans".. I might. I might only be barely aware the human was pregnant, and even then I might think their body hair protects from all harm or I'm just so happy to see my hatchlings shutting up and enjoying them self for one moment It pushes everything else out of my brain.
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2015/09/19 00:05:24
Subject: Tourists block Sea Turtles from nesting on Costa Rican beach.
Chongara wrote: It's the job of the government to secure it's wildlife areas and protect whatever natural resources they deem worth protecting. It's not the job of a tourist to be informed about turtles and interrupt their vacation to stop and consider "Hey what are those weird turtles doing?" when they're unfamiliar with such things. Certainly it'd be nice and there'd be only benefits to more people being conscious and educated about these things, but it's ultimately not a situation I can fault them for. The authorities are the ones who dropped the ball on this imo, a temporary fence or some police tape, maybe some officers or something. If an area is off limits, make it off limits.
Would you go and plonk your kid on a pregnant woman lying on the beach?
If I was a giant turtle person on break from regular life, that only had minor education if any on the lifecycle of humans and they weren't something I'd ever had contact with outside of a cartoon I watched as a kid "Middle-Aged Pirate Mutant Humans".. I might. I might only be barely aware the human was pregnant, and even then I might think their body hair protects from all harm or I'm just so happy to see my hatchlings shutting up and enjoying them self for one moment It pushes everything else out of my brain.
I'm with you up until the putting the child on the turtle. The proper thing to do is to teach children to respect wildlife. Riding undomesticated animals, especially those that are unable to resist properly, is bad form regardless of your level of education in turtle biology.
Chongara wrote: It's the job of the government to secure it's wildlife areas and protect whatever natural resources they deem worth protecting. It's not the job of a tourist to be informed about turtles and interrupt their vacation to stop and consider "Hey what are those weird turtles doing?" when they're unfamiliar with such things. Certainly it'd be nice and there'd be only benefits to more people being conscious and educated about these things, but it's ultimately not a situation I can fault them for. The authorities are the ones who dropped the ball on this imo, a temporary fence or some police tape, maybe some officers or something. If an area is off limits, make it off limits.
Would you go and plonk your kid on a pregnant woman lying on the beach?
If I was a giant turtle person on break from regular life, that only had minor education if any on the lifecycle of humans and they weren't something I'd ever had contact with outside of a cartoon I watched as a kid "Middle-Aged Pirate Mutant Humans".. I might. I might only be barely aware the human was pregnant, and even then I might think their body hair protects from all harm or I'm just so happy to see my hatchlings shutting up and enjoying them self for one moment It pushes everything else out of my brain.
I'm with you up until the putting the child on the turtle. The proper thing to do is to teach children to respect wildlife. Riding undomesticated animals, especially those that are unable to resist properly, is bad form regardless of your level of education in turtle biology.
I'm not saying it's the right thing to do, that they should have done it, or that I wouldn't take issue if I saw someone doing it front of me. What I'm saying is that I can reasonably see how it would happen without the person in question being unintelligent or malicious.I can see how it'd happen and I can understand the general mindset of someone who would do that and yeah it's disappointing but it doesn't fill me with rage.
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2015/09/19 02:44:55
Subject: Re:Tourists block Sea Turtles from nesting on Costa Rican beach.
Chongara wrote: It's the job of the government to secure it's wildlife areas and protect whatever natural resources they deem worth protecting. It's not the job of a tourist to be informed about turtles and interrupt their vacation to stop and consider "Hey what are those weird turtles doing?" when they're unfamiliar with such things. Certainly it'd be nice and there'd be only benefits to more people being conscious and educated about these things, but it's ultimately not a situation I can fault them for. The authorities are the ones who dropped the ball on this imo, a temporary fence or some police tape, maybe some officers or something. If an area is off limits, make it off limits.
I dunno man. I feel like it's fairly common sense to not let your children sit on wild animals and just in general to leave them alone. Yeah, the authorities obviously failed but I feel like the people involved should eat at least a few bites of the responsibility sandwich.
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2015/09/19 03:02:28
Subject: Tourists block Sea Turtles from nesting on Costa Rican beach.
These are the kind of ignorant bastards that act all surprised horrified when that buffalo with a calf gets sick of them pawing it and starts trampling bodies.
As I recall, shortly after a Lion killed a lady in a car, another group in cars had a Lion kill an Impala in their midst and rolled down windows and were leaning out to get pictures with the critter not 20 feet away.
Some people, around animals are too stupid to live.
2015/09/19 03:59:11
Subject: Tourists block Sea Turtles from nesting on Costa Rican beach.
Relapse wrote: These are the kind of ignorant bastards that act all surprised horrified when that buffalo with a calf gets sick of them pawing it and starts trampling bodies.
As I recall, shortly after a Lion killed a lady in a car, another group in cars had a Lion kill an Impala in their midst and rolled down windows and were leaning out to get pictures with the critter not 20 feet away.
Some people, around animals are too stupid to live.
Exactly. Stupid, narcissistic people make up 90% of the population.
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2015/09/19 04:01:07
Subject: Tourists block Sea Turtles from nesting on Costa Rican beach.
Relapse wrote: These are the kind of ignorant bastards that act all surprised horrified when that buffalo with a calf gets sick of them pawing it and starts trampling bodies.
As I recall, shortly after a Lion killed a lady in a car, another group in cars had a Lion kill an Impala in their midst and rolled down windows and were leaning out to get pictures with the critter not 20 feet away.
Some people, around animals are too stupid to live.
Exactly. Stupid, narcissistic people make up 90% of the population.
I was certain the figure was 100%
2015/09/19 04:02:37
Subject: Tourists block Sea Turtles from nesting on Costa Rican beach.
Relapse wrote: These are the kind of ignorant bastards that act all surprised horrified when that buffalo with a calf gets sick of them pawing it and starts trampling bodies.
As I recall, shortly after a Lion killed a lady in a car, another group in cars had a Lion kill an Impala in their midst and rolled down windows and were leaning out to get pictures with the critter not 20 feet away.
Some people, around animals are too stupid to live.
Exactly. Stupid, narcissistic people make up 90% of the population.
I was certain the figure was 100%
Nah. The other ten percent is made up of stupid narcissistic people who constantly point at the other 90% and decry how stupid and narcissistic they are *puts on hipster glass and flips scarf over shoulder*
Relapse wrote: These are the kind of ignorant bastards that act all surprised horrified when that buffalo with a calf gets sick of them pawing it and starts trampling bodies. As I recall, shortly after a Lion killed a lady in a car, another group in cars had a Lion kill an Impala in their midst and rolled down windows and were leaning out to get pictures with the critter not 20 feet away. Some people, around animals are too stupid to live.
Exactly. Stupid, narcissistic people make up 90% of the population.
I was certain the figure was 100%
Nah. The other ten percent is made up of stupid narcissistic people who constantly point at the other 90% and decry how stupid and narcissistic they are *puts on hipster glass and flips scarf over shoulder*
I see, well it sucks being in the 90%
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2015/09/19 05:38:49
Subject: Tourists block Sea Turtles from nesting on Costa Rican beach.
A Town Called Malus wrote: Apparently some people were sitting their kids on the pregnant turtles. How dumb do you have to be to think that's a good idea? Would you go and plonk your kid on a pregnant woman lying on the beach?
Goddamn tourists.
Only one man has managed to express the necessary outrage at the totality of human stupidity.
2015/09/19 08:01:59
Subject: Tourists block Sea Turtles from nesting on Costa Rican beach.
My father was a military lawyer for the SBA in Cyprus. So he dealt with a lot of legal stuff with the Greek Cypriot government.
Part of this was ecological. There are forbidden beaches in Cyprus which the Cypriot government made no go areas except for the turtles, ecologists some officials and some guests.
My father and by extension myself was one of those guests. It wasn't an "exclusive" beach as such, anyone shown to be responsible enough could get an invitation there but it wasn't well known about, and even now I will not say where it is.
I could swim there, zero tourists, but only under supervision and direct invitation, and only at certain times. It was strictly off limits to just about everyone, including most of the ecologists during the beachings. However very shortly afterwards the ecologists would move in and form a permanent camp. The lonely beach would become a camp lasting six months from before the first turtles beached to when the last turtles were released.
A lot of ecologists have a non interventionist doctrine, thankfully these did not, they intervened, heavily, as the turtles hatched there has at least back in the 1980s only three beaches left in the whole world in which they were known to spawn.. Egg beds were marked by flags, and no foot traffic of any kind was subsequently allowed around them. When the eggs hatched the infant turtles about an inch long but otherwise resembling the adults were picked up while trying to reach the sea and placed in seawater buckets. They would remain in those buckets until they were about six inches long, the most critical time of their development before they were released into the sea. I would see rows or buckets and a "lot" of infant turtles of various sizes in them, yet I was reminded that the rows of buckets represented a sizable percentage of an entire animal species. And this species had a habitat range covering most of the waters of the world. Many tagged turtles from the site were logged as far away as the Pacific basin but would always swim back to the Med to that particular beach in Cyprus to spawn, or one of the two others if they came from there..
Back in the 80s is particular species of turtles were on the critically endangered list, due to the diligence of this one team of about twenty Cypriots the population bloomed and the species was reclassified into a lower risk bracket.
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2015/09/19 14:10:28
Subject: Re:Tourists block Sea Turtles from nesting on Costa Rican beach.
Chongara wrote: It's the job of the government to secure it's wildlife areas and protect whatever natural resources they deem worth protecting. It's not the job of a tourist to be informed about turtles and interrupt their vacation to stop and consider "Hey what are those weird turtles doing?" when they're unfamiliar with such things. Certainly it'd be nice and there'd be only benefits to more people being conscious and educated about these things, but it's ultimately not a situation I can fault them for. The authorities are the ones who dropped the ball on this imo, a temporary fence or some police tape, maybe some officers or something. If an area is off limits, make it off limits.
I dunno man. I feel like it's fairly common sense to not let your children sit on wild animals and just in general to leave them alone. Yeah, the authorities obviously failed but I feel like the people involved should eat at least a few bites of the responsibility sandwich.
The flood of tourists was caused in part by drought plaguing the northern region, the Times reported. Typically, rivers overflow during the rainy season and the refuge is inaccessible to large groups of people.
You know comments like that are reserved for explanations as to how locust swarms mass, or the conditions for a plague.
Surreal really. "Due to crap weather to the north of the effected regions scientists are predicting the following beaches may suffer depredation caused by large swarms of humans."
Can we crop dust against that?
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2015/09/19 16:51:13
Subject: Re:Tourists block Sea Turtles from nesting on Costa Rican beach.
A lot of ecologists have a non interventionist doctrine, thankfully these did not, they intervened, heavily, as the turtles hatched there has at least back in the 1980s only three beaches left in the whole world in which they were known to spawn.. Egg beds were marked by flags, and no foot traffic of any kind was subsequently allowed around them. When the eggs hatched the infant turtles about an inch long but otherwise resembling the adults were picked up while trying to reach the sea and placed in seawater buckets. They would remain in those buckets until they were about six inches long, the most critical time of their development before they were released into the sea. I would see rows or buckets and a "lot" of infant turtles of various sizes in them, yet I was reminded that the rows of buckets represented a sizable percentage of an entire animal species. And this species had a habitat range covering most of the waters of the world. Many tagged turtles from the site were logged as far away as the Pacific basin but would always swim back to the Med to that particular beach in Cyprus to spawn, or one of the two others if they came from there..
Back in the 80s is particular species of turtles were on the critically endangered list, due to the diligence of this one team of about twenty Cypriots the population bloomed and the species was reclassified into a lower risk bracket.
I remember seein a Cousteau documentary on Sea Turtles where they were present at a hatching. The sky was alive with Gulls that were gobbling the hatchlings by the case load. Cousteau and his crew took a hand in the situation and did just as you describe, saving thousands of Turtles.
It's interesting to think there are probably out there Turtles that you saw in those buckets now weighing in at hundreds of pounds.
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