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Wow...what's the deal with Russia? Are they totally trying to go back to the pre Gorbachov times? Do Russians really believe this ?


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/poland-co-responsible-for-wwii-says-russian-ambassador/ar-AAeOuQL?li=BBgzzfc


Any student of history knows that Hitler used a false premise for the German invasion of Poland. and that Hitler and Stalin had preplanned to carve up Poland between them selves. Not to mention the ,massive death toll that the red army bestowed on the Poles near the end of WWII.


GG

in modern Russia, Victim attacks YOU!

I wonder how come obama hasn't told Putin that the 80's called and want their foreign policy back? He seemed so sure of it a couple years ago when he said it to Romney.

Relapse wrote:
I wonder how come obama hasn't told Putin that the 80's called and want their foreign policy back?

Its no wonder. Obama is a pussy, Putin is not.

Sounds to me like a good old case of victim blaming

 Orlanth wrote:

Relapse wrote:
I wonder how come obama hasn't told Putin that the 80's called and want their foreign policy back?

Its no wonder. Obama is a pussy, Putin is not.

I like that side by side meme with Putin riding a bear through a river and Obama is riding a my little pony through rainbows.

This might be a new record for fastest "Thing That Has Nothing To Do With Obama Becoming About Obama."

Hats off, Dakka!

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
This might be a new record for fastest "Thing That Has Nothing To Do With Obama Becoming About Obama."

Hats off, Dakka!

Not really, Obama was assuring us just a couple years ago Russia was no threat to much laughter at Romney's expense. He just being shown for the fool he was and is about Russia.

Russian historians consider the war to have started in 1938 and the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact to be a direct reaction to those events.

I should imagine the Chinese see things differently as well.

I don't remember Russia behaving so badly back when W. was in office.

It is kind of relevant, and I wonder if this is a calculated move to continue the backwards moving rhetoric of the Putin administration.

GG

Relapse wrote:
I wonder how come obama hasn't told Putin that the 80's called and want their foreign policy back? He seemed so sure of it a couple years ago when he said it to Romney.

Because Russia acting weird doesn't make them the primary Geopolitical threat the US faces?

 generalgrog wrote:
I don't remember Russia behaving so badly back when W. was in office.

They had their fair share of issues, but really, most of this kind of thing is playing to internal Russian audiences anyway.

It wan't newsworthy back then. You could argue that it still isn't.

 generalgrog wrote:
I don't remember Russia behaving so badly back when W. was in office.

It is kind of relevant, and I wonder if this is a calculated move to continue the backwards moving rhetoric of the Putin administration.

GG

I do.

Putin has been regressing Russia from the get-go. I don't really think that the US presidents (Clinton, Bush, or Obama) have had much to do with it, personally.

On Topic, though: that s--t is just baffling. Why even say that? What goal does it achieve? Like Holocaust Denial, it's so in the face of established history that you couldn't even hope to sway public perception at this point.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
This might be a new record for fastest "Thing That Has Nothing To Do With Obama Becoming About Obama."

Hats off, Dakka!

Actually an appeaser in the White House has rather a lot to do with Russian adventurism.

Poor Poland. They're just a punching bag getting punted back and forth between Asia and Europe.

 Orlanth wrote:

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
This might be a new record for fastest "Thing That Has Nothing To Do With Obama Becoming About Obama."

Hats off, Dakka!

Actually an appeaser in the White House has rather a lot to do with Russian adventurism.

Actually it hasn't considering Putin has been fething things up in the region since forever. That also doesn't change the fact that an ambassador saying something we all know is stupid doesn't have feth all to do with Obama.

But please, carry on with your Putin mancrush!

Relapse wrote:
I wonder how come obama hasn't told Putin that the 80's called and want their foreign policy back? He seemed so sure of it a couple years ago when he said it to Romney.

literally third post in, and it's Obama's fault



What the hell are you guys going to do when he's out of office? Whose fault will it be when you get a flat fire, or the milk goes sour, or a bird gaks on you?

 Ouze wrote:

Relapse wrote:
I wonder how come obama hasn't told Putin that the 80's called and want their foreign policy back? He seemed so sure of it a couple years ago when he said it to Romney.

literally third post in, and it's Obama's fault



What the hell are you guys going to do when he's out of office? Whose fault will it be when you get a flat fire, or the milk goes sour, or a bird gaks on you?

Certainly our entertainment levels will drop. I suppose that is what Netflix is for. /sigh

 Orlanth wrote:

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
This might be a new record for fastest "Thing That Has Nothing To Do With Obama Becoming About Obama."

Hats off, Dakka!

Actually an appeaser in the White House has rather a lot to do with Russian adventurism.

Obama has been a lot less "appeasing" to the Russians than Bush was.

There's a lot of stuff you can rightfully heap on Obama, but this isn't really it.

 Ouze wrote:

Relapse wrote:
I wonder how come obama hasn't told Putin that the 80's called and want their foreign policy back? He seemed so sure of it a couple years ago when he said it to Romney.

literally third post in, and it's Obama's fault



What the hell are you guys going to do when he's out of office? Whose fault will it be when you get a flat fire, or the milk goes sour, or a bird gaks on you?

The OT will be boring, and it will be Obama's fault for refusing to become a dictator and get that third and permanent term in office.

 Vaktathi wrote:

Relapse wrote:
I wonder how come obama hasn't told Putin that the 80's called and want their foreign policy back? He seemed so sure of it a couple years ago when he said it to Romney.

Because Russia acting weird doesn't make them the primary Geopolitical threat the US faces?

Put even more bluntly, loud and annoying doesn't make you a threat.


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 Ouze wrote:

Relapse wrote:
I wonder how come obama hasn't told Putin that the 80's called and want their foreign policy back? He seemed so sure of it a couple years ago when he said it to Romney.

literally third post in, and it's Obama's fault


What the hell are you guys going to do when he's out of office? Whose fault will it be when you get a flat fire, or the milk goes sour, or a bird gaks on you?

Blame the next Democratic president, because the GOP won't be sniffing the White House for a long, long time barring complete incompetence on the part of the Dems. Their party is in disarray at the national level, and all the demographics are trending sharply away from them.

Can't blame them for sounding desperate and bitter, honestly.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Poor Poland. They're just a punching bag getting punted back and forth between Asia and Europe.

My family's first foreign exchange student was from Poland! Sadly, she moved back there. Just hope it's not permanent. Dark haired beauty with two serious...blessings. Got to have dinner with her a year back when she visited NYC briefly.

Has nothing to do with the article. And I don't care.

Sergei Andreev accused Poland -- which lost the highest proportion of its population in the conflict -- of "blocking the creation of an anti-Nazi coalition" which made it "co-responsible for World War II".

Two things:
Fistly, The Soviet Union did actually try to form a coalition with Poland against Nazi-Germany, but Poland withdrew from negotiations after strong pressure from Germany and Finland. So while there would have been a chance to avoid or greatly change the course of ww2, I don't think you can blame Poland for WW2. Poland was merely trying to avoid conflict, they failed, and in hindsight their policies may have actually helped the German decision to invade (and they certainly caused the Soviet invasion), but at the time, they could not have known.

Secondly, Poland is not the country which lost the highest proportion of its population. That was Belarus. Every fourth Belarusian died in WW2.


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 Grey Templar wrote:
Poor Poland. They're just a punching bag getting punted back and forth between Asia and Europe.

Asia?
Poland is right in the middle of Europe (which is a horrible position to be in), what has Asia to do with it?

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Fistly, The Soviet Union did actually try to form a coalition with Poland against Nazi-Germany, but Poland withdrew from negotiations after strong pressure from Germany and Finland. So while there would have been a chance to avoid or greatly change the course of ww2, I don't think you can blame Poland for WW2. Poland was merely trying to avoid conflict, they failed, and in hindsight their policies may have actually helped the German decision to invade (and they certainly caused the Soviet invasion), but at the time, they could not have known.

Firstly Russia wanted free reign to send and station troops wherever it wanted in Poland (something I am sure you can appreciate Poland would not be happy with). Secondly, it was not Poland that negotiated to split Europe between Germany and Russia in the event of a war, securing Hitler's Eastern flank...

Putin thinks he's King of Slavs.

Like....a Caesar if you will.....a Russified Caesar....

Damn, there should be a word for that or something.

Mr Andreyev also said that the Soviet invasion of eastern Poland later that month was not an aggression but "to ensure the safety of the USSR"

Seems like some things never change. This is pretty much how their actions in Ukraine are justified.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34369487

 SilverMK2 wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Fistly, The Soviet Union did actually try to form a coalition with Poland against Nazi-Germany, but Poland withdrew from negotiations after strong pressure from Germany and Finland. So while there would have been a chance to avoid or greatly change the course of ww2, I don't think you can blame Poland for WW2. Poland was merely trying to avoid conflict, they failed, and in hindsight their policies may have actually helped the German decision to invade (and they certainly caused the Soviet invasion), but at the time, they could not have known.

Firstly Russia wanted free reign to send and station troops wherever it wanted in Poland (something I am sure you can appreciate Poland would not be happy with). Secondly, it was not Poland that negotiated to split Europe between Germany and Russia in the event of a war, securing Hitler's Eastern flank...

From the Soviet point of view, the only thing important was creation of a buffer zone between itself and Germany. After failure of creating buffer zone through coalition with Poland, Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was the only way to ensure the buffer zone.
I can imagine Poland would not have been happy in allying with the Soviet Union (having fought themselves free from centuries of Russian rule just 20 years earlier), but in hindsight, it might have been better if they had swallowed their pride and suspicions. But that does not mean you can blame Poland. Ambassador Andreyev is nuts if he thinks that. He clearly not the right choice for being ambassador to Poland.


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 Peter Wiggin wrote:
Putin thinks he's King of Slavs.

Like....a Caesar if you will.....a Russified Caesar....

Damn, there should be a word for that or something.

Tsar!
It is literally a russification of the Latin word ceasar.

But Putin is no tsar, he has no legitimate claim to the throne, and also not the ambition. Panslavism is long dead also.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
From the Soviet point of view, the only thing important was creation of a buffer zone between itself and Germany. After failure of creating buffer zone through coalition with Poland, Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was the only way to ensure the buffer zone.

Which is entirely different to what you originally said where the implication was blame was almost entirely laid at the feet of Poland for not bowing down to Russia... while ignoring entirely how Russia then went an made a deal which effectively enabled Hitler to feel secure enough in the East that he could kick off "operation blonde hair and shiny jackboots"...

Is this related to the Poles saying they were going to wall in Kaliningrad and IIRC the Russians making a sidways comment about invading Poland a few months ago? I'm sure Russia's bullying its other neighbors just as much as Poland though, and certainly not just as a front against the ramping up of EU/ US support to the region.

Frankly given the state of the bull that the Russian government shoveling out we can expect to see this topped sooner rather than latter.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Dark haired beauty with two serious...blessings.

My favorite type of Polish girl.