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Strength D has proved its worth on Knights but...
You can get very easily bogged down in combat - on average a knight will kill 2 troops when it is charged in CC (because, a surprisingly balanced update from GW means that excess wounds don't carry over), meaning...
that if it was charged by a squad of 10 guardsmen it would get bogged down in combat for most of the game (as long as LD didn't fail).
If you can get close enough a in a game with variable game length CHARGE THE KNIGHT!

The only thing you may not have taken into account is stomp :(

And I have a feeling you can't bog a superheavy down in close combat.

Yes, you can tie up a superheavy or gargantuan!

While that's an interesting theory, Stomp will solve it.

Stomp has never worked that well for me. I have a phantom titan that ends up in a tarpit every time I field it, stomping frantically to try and get out till the game ends.

I've removed entire units with stomps and sometimes damaged/destroyed the transport they came out of too (toto); depending on how close it was to the combat.

Stomps are one of the most powerful things which are not str D.

The str 6 hits are great at taking out traditional mob tarpits.

The potential for a 6 to instantly remove a target make tarpitting it with smaller more durable elite units a less viable solution too.

Stomps can also be aimed to take out the targets you need (like that priest giving the blob fearless), as well as potentially becoming another range weapon to use against targets not in the cc.

All of this, not to mention it's 12 inch move and blast weapons, makes tarpitting a knight a difficult proposition.

 Big Blind Bill wrote:
Stomps are one of the most powerful things which are not str D.

The str 6 hits are great at taking out traditional mob tarpits.

The potential for a 6 to instantly remove a target make tarpitting it with smaller more durable elite units a less viable solution too.

Stomps can also be aimed to take out the targets you need (like that priest giving the blob fearless), as well as potentially becoming another range weapon to use against targets not in the cc.

All of this, not to mention it's 12 inch move and blast weapons, makes tarpitting a knight a difficult proposition.

And some knights are great at crowd control. My Knight Castigator with it's S10 sword loves to be surrounded, please do this, please.

Knights are small time though compared to GMCs. 6 HPs are actually shockingly easy to remove from an AV 13/12 model. Why bother trying to tarpit when you can just kill it?

 ScootaRM wrote:
The only thing you may not have taken into account is stomp :(

And I have a feeling you can't bog a superheavy down in close combat.

If you can catch the revenant in melee, it should stay there until it dies or until the game ends really.

Yah, super-heavy walkers can stomp and maybe in a turn or 2 get off the claws of those nasty guardsmen that are tarpiting your knight.

That is unless you play CSM and then you have a super expensive heavy walker with ram instead of stomp.

 Lord Yayula wrote:
Yah, super-heavy walkers can stomp and maybe in a turn or 2 get off the claws of those nasty guardsmen that are tarpiting your knight.

That is unless you play CSM and then you have a super expensive heavy walker with ram instead of stomp.

Yay, CSM aren't allowed to win!

Yeah....no. I played a knight against an infantry heavy guard list once and it was an utter rout. Stomp killed more than anything that game

It was my understanding that the D was never meant to be an end-all finishing move.

I thought you played knights by maximizing knight potential by fitting them up against the units they could kill the easiest, and attacking accordingly.

The only one who should be relying on D is Gallant, and he's made for Monstrous Creatures and AV targets.

 ScootaRM wrote:
The only thing you may not have taken into account is stomp :(

And I have a feeling you can't bog a superheavy down in close combat.

Yeah stomps are way scarier than the sword IMO

 agnosto wrote:

And some knights are great at crowd control. My Knight Castigator with it's S10 sword loves to be surrounded, please do this, please.

And it's even better if you're able to use the Deflagrate rule with the Tempest attack (emails to FW have said you can, ITC says you can't, so depends on where/who you play).

I love it when my GKT get stomped three times, no 6's get rolled, and I make all my 2+ saves. It just makes me laugh.

SJ

What's this about Wounds not carrying over?

 CrashGordon94 wrote:
What's this about Wounds not carrying over?

The extra wounds don't carry over from the sword swing.

Your knight charges a tactical squad. He gets three hits.

You roll a 1, 4, and 6.

For the wounds on the 4, you roll a 2. One wound is taken, one marine dies.

On the six, you roll another 6. Wow! However, the hit is on a single, one wound tactical marine, and thus only he dies.

The other 8 tactical marines watch as brother red shirtius dies horribly.

Where does it say this? I don't remember this being mentioned in the Destroyer rule, was there an FAQ?

The Destroyer rule inflicts a Wound that instead does D6+6 wounds (for example).

How many models can you allocate a single Wound to?

Nope, the wounds (sadly) carry over. Its the same as when a Vindicaire uses a Turbo Penetrator on a unit of regular bods. He wounds, rolls a 3 and 3 bods die despite only one having been wounded. It is devastating but then that is GW for you.


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 Unit1126PLL wrote:
The Destroyer rule inflicts a Wound that instead does D6+6 wounds (for example).

How many models can you allocate a single Wound to?

As many as are in the unit that was hit. In the case of my friends cultists last Monday, 20. And that was from only 4 being hit.

 master of ordinance wrote:
Nope, the wounds (sadly) carry over. Its the same as when a Vindicaire uses a Turbo Penetrator on a unit of regular bods. He wounds, rolls a 3 and 3 bods die despite only one having been wounded. It is devastating but then that is GW for you.

Citation?

D wounds do not carry over.

A single model is hit, and takes multiple wounds.

 master of ordinance wrote:
Nope, the wounds (sadly) carry over. Its the same as when a Vindicaire uses a Turbo Penetrator on a unit of regular bods. He wounds, rolls a 3 and 3 bods die despite only one having been wounded. It is devastating but then that is GW for you.


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 Unit1126PLL wrote:
The Destroyer rule inflicts a Wound that instead does D6+6 wounds (for example).

How many models can you allocate a single Wound to?

As many as are in the unit that was hit. In the case of my friends cultists last Monday, 20. And that was from only 4 being hit.

That is incorrect.

Read the strength D rule carefully. You'll see that it says "when a model is hit with S, roll on the D table instead of rolling normally to wound" a "D wound" is a special kind of wound that causes a target to lose multiple wounds instead of one.

However, if you take a D wound and only have 1 wound, and die, the wound doesn't carry over. It's clearer on Vehicles-you take a single penetrating it that causes you to lose multiple HP. So you roll once on the pen table, and even if you say rolled a six vs a squadron of russes, it was only one pen so only one tank is affected.

Additionally, if you do get a save you only take ONE to block the whole D roll. So if you make 1 cover save against a D 2-5 result, you block D3 wounds rather than 1. Very relevant vs WKs.

 master of ordinance wrote:
Nope, the wounds (sadly) carry over. Its the same as when a Vindicaire uses a Turbo Penetrator on a unit of regular bods. He wounds, rolls a 3 and 3 bods die despite only one having been wounded. It is devastating but then that is GW for you.


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 Unit1126PLL wrote:
The Destroyer rule inflicts a Wound that instead does D6+6 wounds (for example).

How many models can you allocate a single Wound to?

As many as are in the unit that was hit. In the case of my friends cultists last Monday, 20. And that was from only 4 being hit.

How does one Wound get allocated to 20 models?

There are no rules for 1/20th of a wound

Can you imagine playing with those rules?

A wraithknight could kill a whole marine squad in a single shot.

And D templates........sweet jesus. If you hit 6 models with a D template you'd be looking at 17-18 models removed lol.

It would make sense with some D weapons, tbf. The Volcano cannon is seriously unimpressive.

Yeah D weapons cause *models* to suffer wounds rather than inflicting wounds on a unit.

D weapon Wounds do not carry across the whole unit. If they did it would make Wraithknights good against hordes AND elites.