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I have noticed a lot lately Space Marines charging the turn following their transport being wrecked or destroyed while embarked upon it.

What have you see a lot ?

-Challenges when one side's character(s) are not in range is one I see a ton.

-Gaining extra distance on vehicles via pivoting before moving still happens a lot.

-People assuming that land raiders don't follow the normal vehicle rules in regards to movement and number of weapons that can fire. Leland and Steve from mwg do this one a lot, moving the LR and then unloading everything at full BS.

Those are the only ones I can think of that really show up. The others are just little here and there happenings.

MWG is pretty bad when it comes to rules. I'm fairly certain they stomp against super heavies too.

 welshhoppo wrote:
MWG is pretty bad when it comes to rules. I'm fairly certain they stomp against super heavies too.

They also have a tendency to fire at full BS after jinking.

I will admit the rule about units not being able to charge after their transport is destroyed sounds stupid. Imagine Kharn and his Beserkers standing out in the open shooting pistols like morons.

Other mistakes are:

Joining the Dominus to the Kastellan without having at least 2 Maniples.

Not using Preferred Enemies when playing Grey Knights against Daemons.

bibotot wrote:
I will admit the rule about units not being able to charge after their transport is destroyed sounds stupid. Imagine Kharn and his Beserkers standing out in the open shooting pistols like morons.
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Try getting up and running after a car crash.

Alcibiades wrote:

bibotot wrote:
I will admit the rule about units not being able to charge after their transport is destroyed sounds stupid. Imagine Kharn and his Beserkers standing out in the open shooting pistols like morons.
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Try getting up and running after a car crash.

Try being a superhuman genetically enhanced raged induced Space Marine

Alcibiades wrote:

bibotot wrote:
I will admit the rule about units not being able to charge after their transport is destroyed sounds stupid. Imagine Kharn and his Beserkers standing out in the open shooting pistols like morons.
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Try getting up and running after a car crash.

But for some reason, if that car had an assault ramp on the front before it exploded, you're perfectly fine with charging.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
I have noticed a lot lately Space Marines charging the turn following their transport being wrecked or destroyed while embarked upon it.

Where about is this rule? I read it as no more actions on that turn so not game turn the only situation where they couldn't assault is when they wreck in their own player turn. Is that not right? or am I looking at the wrong place?

It's been that way at least since sixth edition.

a little higher up on the page you are looking at

 niv-mizzet wrote:

Alcibiades wrote:

bibotot wrote:
I will admit the rule about units not being able to charge after their transport is destroyed sounds stupid. Imagine Kharn and his Beserkers standing out in the open shooting pistols like morons.
.

Try getting up and running after a car crash.

But for some reason, if that car had an assault ramp on the front before it exploded, you're perfectly fine with charging.

Because they won't have their seat belts on. So they will get thrown to safety just like my Uncle Ted! He swurs fergettin' 'is sitbelt saved 'is llife!

 niv-mizzet wrote:


-Gaining extra distance on vehicles via pivoting before moving still happens a lot.

This is legal RAW.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
"Distances are measured from vehicles hull."

"Vehicles pivot around their center point."

RAW


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There are several in mine, the most embarrassing was Me playing Deffkoptas and charging after infiltrating. Oops.

col_impact wrote:
a little higher up on the page you are looking at

Spoiler:

Disembarkation Restrictions
After disembarking, models can manifest their psychic powers and either shoot or Run in
their subsequent Shooting phase, counting as having moved that turn, but they cannot
declare a charge in their subsequent Assault phase. If a unit disembarks from a destroyed
vehicle during the enemy turn, it cannot charge in the Assault phase of its own turn
unless the destroyed vehicle had the Assault Vehicle special rule.

Thanks, learn something new every day.

@Doktor_G
In 7ed they added a rule that says no part of the vehicle can go farther then the distance you are moving (its been talked about a bunch in YMDC)

Honestly every batrep video I've seen has multiple rules mistakes. I just don't bother watching them anymore as a result

@CrownAxe. thanks for the correction. Can you tell me the location in the BRB so I can review?

 CrownAxe wrote:
Honestly every batrep video I've seen has multiple rules mistakes. I just don't bother watching them anymore as a result

It's kinda ridiculous to apply that sentiment solely to bat reps though--it's not as if bat reps are somehow worse games of 40k, it's just that a thousand people watch it and can replay it over and over to determine which mistakes were made. It's crowdsourced armchair quarterbacking.

40k is complicated, and the vast majority of 40k games are a complete and utter mess, rules-wise. This is true at the very top-end of competitive play, so it's certainly going to be true of two guys recording a game for a bat rep who are probably just as concerned with getting everything on video as they are with playing a perfect game.

If you disagree, find a judge who's worth his salt (which are a rarity to begin with) and see if you can make it through a game without you or your opponent being corrected on something and/or the game lasting four and a half hours. Or even better, make some bat reps and upload them and see if they withstand the same scrutiny.

DJ3 wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:
Honestly every batrep video I've seen has multiple rules mistakes. I just don't bother watching them anymore as a result

It's kinda ridiculous to apply that sentiment solely to bat reps though--it's not as if bat reps are somehow worse games of 40k, it's just that a thousand people watch it and can replay it over and over to determine which mistakes were made. It's crowdsourced armchair quarterbacking.

40k is complicated, and the vast majority of 40k games are a complete and utter mess, rules-wise. This is true at the very top-end of competitive play, so it's certainly going to be true of two guys recording a game for a bat rep who are probably just as concerned with getting everything on video as they are with playing a perfect game.

If you disagree, find a judge who's worth his salt (which are a rarity to begin with) and see if you can make it through a game without you or your opponent being corrected on something and/or the game lasting four and a half hours. Or even better, make some bat reps and upload them and see if they withstand the same scrutiny.

I've had tons of games where no rules issues come up. Its not the majority sure but its common enough. Thats not what I expect though. You're right that a lot of games have one player correcting the other on at least some errors but thats fine because at least someone knew it and was able to correct it so that it was played properly. In all the bat reps I've watched the amount of mistakes that get through means that neither player knew how to play the game and thats how you play things wrong. These mistakes aren't even hard, it just takes basic reading comprehension. Why would I watch a game where neither player is good enough to bother learning the rules of the game right.

CrownAxe wrote:I've had tons of games where no rules issues come up.

According to...you and the guy you were playing against. I assure you, the people uploading bat reps don't think they're doing stuff wrong either.

As far as I'm concerned, there's probably never been a rules-perfect full game of 40k played anywhere. I've seen too many great players make basic mistakes over and over. It's a complicated, messy game. Mistakes happen.

Thinking you're beyond it and never make any mistakes is the sort of absurdity that only exists on Internet forums like this.

Batreps that have BA in them. The biggest mistake ever.

DJ3 wrote:

CrownAxe wrote:I've had tons of games where no rules issues come up.

According to...you and the guy you were playing against.

No, me the 15-20 people at the league i play with. Seriously its not hard to learn this game, its not even 200 pages (a fraction of popular novels like Game of Thrones or Harry Potter). You just have to actually try.

 CrownAxe wrote:
No, me the 15-20 people at the league i play with. Seriously its not hard to learn this game, its not even 200 pages (a fraction of popular novels like Game of Thrones or Harry Potter). You just have to actually try.

You and the 20 people in your league versus the hundreds of games I've personally overseen at the top tables of major GTs?

Again, the sort of absurdity that only exists on the internet. You get to sit there and nitpick other people's video battle reports (who are realistically only putting these things out there for the enjoyment of the community) while sitting there saying you never make any mistakes and are perfect at all times.

I'm not looking to be confrontational about it, it's just that the fact is, you can't provide any proof, you won't provide any proof, and there's no reason for you to attempt to provide any proof. Instead, you get to sit there saying you're better than everyone else with absolute impunity--which honestly is fine in a vacuum, it's what forums like these are built upon, just look at any "I wouldn't lose to X under Y circumstance" thread in the Tactics forum--except in this case, you're also taking a dump on people who are spending their own time and effort to create content for the community, and that crosses a line for me.

It's unnecessary and serves no purpose whatsoever except inflating your own ego at others' expense.

You say you're not looking to be confrontational but you are the one attacking me. I only said that I don't like watching bat reps because they tend to consist of several rules mistakes. I don't sit their in the comment nitpicking what they did wrong, I just don't watch their videos because I don't enjoy watching mediocre players be mediocre at playing 40k.

The fact that most players aren't as good at the game as I think I am or as good at 40k as i want to watch doesn't matter. I agree with you that it's true that most players don't know all the rules perfectly and that the excellent players that i expect to be watching are the top 10% or so of the game. But guess what? That's the case for every professional sport. The professionals are the best of the best and are a very small percent of all the people who play their sport. But more people are watching pro sports. You think there is a huge multi-million dollar business for watching televised high school baseball? No their isn't. And the biggest viewer turn out is for the world series or the super bowl, where the best of those professionals are playing.

So here is what you have incorrectly assumed about me. I don't expect all players to be great at the game. I expect the batreps I watch to be great at the game because i'm watching them for my entertainment, not for two mediocre players pushing plastic models around for their own amusements.

Now get off your high horse and stop assuming things about other people.

Honestly I'm not usually too bothered by mistakes in video batreps anymore. I used to get irritated by them, but then I realized that even after 3 years of playing 40k I make plenty of small errors all the time, so I learned to just roll with it. It also helps that I prefer watching MWG's Banter Batreps, where the focus is on just having fun and bantering with the opponent. That's just me though.

 War Kitten wrote:
Honestly I'm not usually too bothered by mistakes in video batreps anymore. I used to get irritated by them, but then I realized that even after 3 years of playing 40k I make plenty of small errors all the time, so I learned to just roll with it. It also helps that I prefer watching MWG's Banter Batreps, where the focus is on just having fun and bantering with the opponent. That's just me though.

/This

Biggest mistakes:

-proxies
-plastic
-gak terrain

It's a visual experience! So lighting as well.

I am hoping this thread can be a resource to the players that take the time and effort to develop video bat-reps.

Sure no one is perfect but big mistakes kind of ruin it for me especially when they affect the outcome. Things like charging the turn after spilling out of a wrecked transport can be huge and can come across as farcical.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
I am hoping this thread can be a resource to the players that take the time and effort to develop video bat-reps.

Sure no one is perfect but big mistakes kind of ruin it for me especially when they affect the outcome. Things like charging the turn after spilling out of a wrecked transport can be huge and can come across as farcical.

I get this and yeah it makes a difference.

This summer I went up to MWG and played with Leland (SM IP vs Admec and SM). I can tell you right now there were a ton of things we missed that may have changed the outcome of the game, but it really didnt matter because we both had fun... and I got to stack vindicators on top of each other

It does matter to the audience and that's really the point.

MWG always forge a fun narrative so it entertains me. I find the rules mistakes I notice slightly frustrating, but I have a very poor grasp on the rules in reality so I actually find the rules criticism comments useful in case they pick up on any mistake I make myself.

Can anyone recommend any more 'fun' battle reporters? I find many take themselves too seriously (and make plenty of mistakes despite that), which I suppose is the most common mistake.