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2015/10/20 03:27:51
Subject: Is the tau fire warrior price hike a sign of things to come?
Basically should we expect all troops now to rise to the same cost with each new release. I mean had it been marines I would have chalked it up to marines been more costly but fire warriors aren't exactly special or worth of the hike compared to other troop choices in different armies. Basically should people start buying up troops for their armies before their next update lands and their costs jump up.
space marines tend to be £2 more than ever other set so should we expect the next marine update to have troops costing £32
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2015/10/20 03:31:21
Subject: Is the tau fire warrior price hike a sign of things to come?
I have not been around long but my opinion if they sell well then yes why would they not. I hope they don't sell well to show GW they are going to far with plastic toys but I think tau players are still going to buy them.
2015/10/20 03:51:00
Subject: Is the tau fire warrior price hike a sign of things to come?
blaktoof wrote: its now a dual kit, hence the large price hike.
Pathfinders were reboxed and I believe they cost the same or went up 5 dollars.
Yes it's a "dual kit" (basically just different guns), but it went from $35 to $50 and has 2 less models (10 instead of 12). That's $3 per model to $5 per model, a 67% increase in price
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2015/10/20 04:42:18
Subject: Is the tau fire warrior price hike a sign of things to come?
No. GW is incredibly inconsistent with it's pricing structure. Eldar Dire Avengers got a massive price hike but BA tacticals didn't. Guardsmen are $30 for 10 but MT are double that.
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2015/10/20 04:55:54
Subject: Is the tau fire warrior price hike a sign of things to come?
blaktoof wrote: its now a dual kit, hence the large price hike.
Pathfinders were reboxed and I believe they cost the same or went up 5 dollars.
Yes it's a "dual kit" (basically just different guns), but it went from $35 to $50 and has 2 less models (10 instead of 12). That's $3 per model to $5 per model, a 67% increase in price
Don't they include a new stationary turret? So we get the new dual kit, and one less model in theory, but a price hike.
I'm not sure if I like this, but I can see the reasoning behind it.
Los pollos hermanos wrote: Basically should we expect all troops now to rise to the same cost with each new release. I mean had it been marines I would have chalked it up to marines been more costly but fire warriors aren't exactly special or worth of the hike compared to other troop choices in different armies. Basically should people start buying up troops for their armies before their next update lands and their costs jump up.
space marines tend to be £2 more than ever other set so should we expect the next marine update to have troops costing £32
It's not a sign, it's just another example of the continuing paradigm. Look at Dire Avengers that were $40/45 for 10 and are now $35 for 5, or Guardsmen which are now $30 for 10 when they were $35 for 20. The old metal Kasrkin stormtroopers were $45/50 for 10 guys, now the plastic Scion replacements are $35 for 5.
The Fire Warriors are nothing new unfortunately.
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2015/10/20 07:24:42
Subject: Is the tau fire warrior price hike a sign of things to come?
blaktoof wrote: its now a dual kit, hence the large price hike.
Pathfinders were reboxed and I believe they cost the same or went up 5 dollars.
Yes it's a "dual kit" (basically just different guns), but it went from $35 to $50 and has 2 less models (10 instead of 12). That's $3 per model to $5 per model, a 67% increase in price
Don't they include a new stationary turret? So we get the new dual kit, and one less model in theory, but a price hike.
I'm not sure if I like this, but I can see the reasoning behind it.
Comparing old kit bit list to new kit bitlist, on the left is the old.
Overall, new has much more plastic involved, even though 2 less warriors. mainly due to option overload.
(feth me if I know why you need 2 shoulder pad and helmet styles though)
So overall, if you know you want lots of strikers, you might as well try to Ebay some old style. not same quality kit, but its cheaper.
If you want the higher quality molds, more poses, conversion bits and possibly breachers-the new kit will serve you better.
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2015/10/20 07:27:28
Subject: Is the tau fire warrior price hike a sign of things to come?
Los pollos hermanos wrote: Basically should we expect all troops now to rise to the same cost with each new release. I mean had it been marines I would have chalked it up to marines been more costly but fire warriors aren't exactly special or worth of the hike compared to other troop choices in different armies. Basically should people start buying up troops for their armies before their next update lands and their costs jump up.
space marines tend to be £2 more than ever other set so should we expect the next marine update to have troops costing £32
It's not a sign, it's just another example of the continuing paradigm. Look at Dire Avengers that were $40/45 for 10 and are now $35 for 5, or Guardsmen which are now $30 for 10 when they were $35 for 20. The old metal Kasrkin stormtroopers were $45/50 for 10 guys, now the plastic Scion replacements are $35 for 5.
The Fire Warriors are nothing new unfortunately.
And it will keep going... and going... and going. Because this is the best solution GW found to mask its declining sales. Sell less models for more money, and (sometimes) lower those models point costs so the players will need more of them. The Dual kit bs is just their latest way of lying their way out of a price hike - when all is said and done you're still paying more for less models, in a hobby that was already outpricing many of its previous "player"base.
And then they wonder why they sell less and less...
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2015/10/20 07:39:41
Subject: Is the tau fire warrior price hike a sign of things to come?
Los pollos hermanos wrote: Basically should we expect all troops now to rise to the same cost with each new release. I mean had it been marines I would have chalked it up to marines been more costly but fire warriors aren't exactly special or worth of the hike compared to other troop choices in different armies. Basically should people start buying up troops for their armies before their next update lands and their costs jump up.
space marines tend to be £2 more than ever other set so should we expect the next marine update to have troops costing £32
It's not a sign, it's just another example of the continuing paradigm. Look at Dire Avengers that were $40/45 for 10 and are now $35 for 5, or Guardsmen which are now $30 for 10 when they were $35 for 20. The old metal Kasrkin stormtroopers were $45/50 for 10 guys, now the plastic Scion replacements are $35 for 5.
The Fire Warriors are nothing new unfortunately.
And it will keep going... and going... and going. Because this is the best solution GW found to mask its declining sales. Sell less models for more money, and (sometimes) lower those models point costs so the players will need more of them. The Dual kit bs is just their latest way of lying their way out of a price hike - when all is said and done you're still paying more for less models, in a hobby that was already outpricing many of its previous "player"base.
And then they wonder why they sell less and less...
Intresting point, I do wonder if they count a dual kit twice as two sold units to mask the decline...
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2015/10/20 08:38:49
Subject: Is the tau fire warrior price hike a sign of things to come?
blaktoof wrote: its now a dual kit, hence the large price hike.
Pathfinders were reboxed and I believe they cost the same or went up 5 dollars.
Yes it's a "dual kit" (basically just different guns), but it went from $35 to $50 and has 2 less models (10 instead of 12). That's $3 per model to $5 per model, a 67% increase in price
Don't they include a new stationary turret? So we get the new dual kit, and one less model in theory, but a price hike.
I'm not sure if I like this, but I can see the reasoning behind it.
Comparing old kit bit list to new kit bitlist, on the left is the old.
Overall, new has much more plastic involved, even though 2 less warriors. mainly due to option overload.
(feth me if I know why you need 2 shoulder pad and helmet styles though)
So overall, if you know you want lots of strikers, you might as well try to Ebay some old style. not same quality kit, but its cheaper.
If you want the higher quality molds, more poses, conversion bits and possibly breachers-the new kit will serve you better.
This is actually something that bothers me, as I wish they'd just make it two different kits at this point, because almost half of the kit goes to "waste" product right now. I get that we have more options in the kit as a whole, but we can only make do with so much before we just start wasting things, and I'd rather pay extra for bits than pay for things I don't need initially.
Actually, I said this in a different thread, but I think instead of selling two drones for 12$, they should have just made Sprue bits that included all the different drone weapons (including Sniper and the new Guardian), thrown in a Plasma Rifles for Crisis Suits while making the Missile Pod for drones work as Crisis Suit one, and just charged 5$ for each sprue. Yes it's only 10$ per two drones as opposed to 12$, but it's something people would buy with all those extra drones they get in kits, and something they'd buy to finish their Crisis Suits, as opposed to selling drones no one needs, and hiking up the cost of FW kits by including all that stuff in them.
I mean wouldn't you like that Sprue so much more than what we have now?
blaktoof wrote: its now a dual kit, hence the large price hike.
Pathfinders were reboxed and I believe they cost the same or went up 5 dollars.
Yes it's a "dual kit" (basically just different guns), but it went from $35 to $50 and has 2 less models (10 instead of 12). That's $3 per model to $5 per model, a 67% increase in price
Don't they include a new stationary turret? So we get the new dual kit, and one less model in theory, but a price hike.
I'm not sure if I like this, but I can see the reasoning behind it.
Comparing old kit bit list to new kit bitlist, on the left is the old.
Overall, new has much more plastic involved, even though 2 less warriors. mainly due to option overload.
(feth me if I know why you need 2 shoulder pad and helmet styles though)
So overall, if you know you want lots of strikers, you might as well try to Ebay some old style. not same quality kit, but its cheaper.
If you want the higher quality molds, more poses, conversion bits and possibly breachers-the new kit will serve you better.
This is actually something that bothers me, as I wish they'd just make it two different kits at this point, because almost half of the kit goes to "waste" product right now. I get that we have more options in the kit as a whole, but we can only make do with so much before we just start wasting things, and I'd rather pay extra for bits than pay for things I don't need initially.
Actually, I said this in a different thread, but I think instead of selling two drones for 12$, they should have just made Sprue bits that included all the different drone weapons (including Sniper and the new Guardian), thrown in a Plasma Rifles for Crisis Suits while making the Missile Pod for drones work as Crisis Suit one, and just charged 5$ for each sprue. Yes it's only 10$ per two drones as opposed to 12$, but it's something people would buy with all those extra drones they get in kits, and something they'd buy to finish their Crisis Suits, as opposed to selling drones no one needs, and hiking up the cost of FW kits by including all that stuff in them.
I mean wouldn't you like that Sprue so much more than what we have now?
The first thing I thought when I saw the first dual kits was "damn now that's one way to deal with magnetization". If you could have interchangeable bits, then all you would need is a magnet and you're saving money... and that's not what GW wants, now is it?
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2015/10/20 09:18:00
Subject: Is the tau fire warrior price hike a sign of things to come?
blaktoof wrote: its now a dual kit, hence the large price hike.
Pathfinders were reboxed and I believe they cost the same or went up 5 dollars.
Yes it's a "dual kit" (basically just different guns), but it went from $35 to $50 and has 2 less models (10 instead of 12). That's $3 per model to $5 per model, a 67% increase in price
Don't they include a new stationary turret? So we get the new dual kit, and one less model in theory, but a price hike.
I'm not sure if I like this, but I can see the reasoning behind it.
Comparing old kit bit list to new kit bitlist, on the left is the old.
Overall, new has much more plastic involved, even though 2 less warriors. mainly due to option overload.
(feth me if I know why you need 2 shoulder pad and helmet styles though)
So overall, if you know you want lots of strikers, you might as well try to Ebay some old style. not same quality kit, but its cheaper.
If you want the higher quality molds, more poses, conversion bits and possibly breachers-the new kit will serve you better.
This is actually something that bothers me, as I wish they'd just make it two different kits at this point, because almost half of the kit goes to "waste" product right now. I get that we have more options in the kit as a whole, but we can only make do with so much before we just start wasting things, and I'd rather pay extra for bits than pay for things I don't need initially.
Actually, I said this in a different thread, but I think instead of selling two drones for 12$, they should have just made Sprue bits that included all the different drone weapons (including Sniper and the new Guardian), thrown in a Plasma Rifles for Crisis Suits while making the Missile Pod for drones work as Crisis Suit one, and just charged 5$ for each sprue. Yes it's only 10$ per two drones as opposed to 12$, but it's something people would buy with all those extra drones they get in kits, and something they'd buy to finish their Crisis Suits, as opposed to selling drones no one needs, and hiking up the cost of FW kits by including all that stuff in them.
I mean wouldn't you like that Sprue so much more than what we have now?
The first thing I thought when I saw the first dual kits was "damn now that's one way to deal with magnetization". If you could have interchangeable bits, then all you would need is a magnet and you're saving money... and that's not what GW wants, now is it?
While that's a fair argument, most people really don't want to magnetize their basic troop choices. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would buy two kits of Fire Warriors for 60$ total (30$ per), as opposed to one kit for 40$ even, because it's not that much of a difference.
Now when it comes to Crisis Suits and above, well yes, I've magnetized those, but each kit only comes with half the weapons I need. So I sprue I could buy cheap from the site would be awesome.
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The point still remains, however and most unfortunately.
In true GW fashion they just want to minimize the customer's chances of not having to spend more money.
Add to that the fact that dual kits can be easily manipulated into making one sale look like two sales and to justify the increased pricing because "it's more plastic, look!" and you have a love story for GW.
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2015/10/20 09:34:19
Subject: Is the tau fire warrior price hike a sign of things to come?
I'm actually of the opposite opinion, and think the dual kit makes it look like twice as much waste, not twice as much content.
Granted, I'm also kind of a heretic in my views and during my time as a buyer for a company I broke two sales records and had to write the headquarters about why my profit margin was so stupidly high compared to expectations (though part of that was aggressive free fill negotiations from vendors, yea, I'll give you a purchase order for a free fill, and replace the person before you who did the same who didn't sell well, that's a 50% discount on the first order for vendor prices [this is not sustainable for a long period of time]), so what do I know x_x.
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If GW wanted to offer the best deal for customers they would have made two separate kits, a standard SW box and a Breachers box, but this would be extra work and cost for them so they prefer to include both options in one box for the higher price.
It's good news to have new sculpts, the original FW figures are nearly 15 years old now and were a very posable kit for the time. It's good news to have all the options in one kit, but rather wasteful of plastic.
It's bad news that the price is so much higher. Presumably this is 10+ years of inflation catching up with the FW set in one go. I remember when a set of FW cost £12.
I wonder if it would be possible to buy spare Breacher bitz from eBay and retro fit them to old style FW.
Tinkrr wrote: I'm actually of the opposite opinion, and think the dual kit makes it look like twice as much waste, not twice as much content.
I agree fully with you, but unfortunately, that's the reason GW found to justify their plastic unit price hikes. In the end it's a stupid waste of plastic, and another big mistake from GW.
I had the same feeling when the Shadow Warrior/Sisters of Avelorn kit came out. It was horrifying to look at, and I still cringe at all the bits that are left over.
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2015/10/20 11:52:20
Subject: Is the tau fire warrior price hike a sign of things to come?
I'm not one to toot the prices of warmachine (the models tend to be more expensive) but when the old Iron Fangs got redone to include the Iron Fangs and the Black Dragons, there was a five pound price reduction.
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2015/10/20 12:34:20
Subject: Is the tau fire warrior price hike a sign of things to come?
The second-hand market will always be there. I am currently hoarding all the FWs people sell (I like the old design a lot) and will have a pretty cool mass dsplay once I paint them all I expect the breacher teams to appear as well after a few months.
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I expect the breacher teams to appear as well after a few months.