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2015/10/23 03:11:45
Subject: Ebooooooooooolllllllllllaaaaaaa: Nurse under quarantine in 2014 sues Chris Christie
The New Jersey nurse quarantined for several days last year because she worked with Ebola patients is suing Gov. Chris Christie and health department officials, claiming the mandatory quarantine was unconstitutional.
Kaci Hickox spent a month in Sierra Leone working at the Doctors Without Borders’ Ebola Treatment Unit in 2014, working with patients infected with Ebola as the virus spread through West Africa.
When she landed at Newark Liberty International Airport, Christie recently issued a policy that kept the 34-year-old nurse detained there for hours, then quarantined over the weekend in an unheated tent at University Hospital.
Yet the nurse had exhibited no signs of being infected with the Ebola virus, and according to the suit, was kept under quarantine despite testing negative for the virus.
“His decision (Christie) was driven by fear and politics, not science and fact,” Udi Ofer, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union in New Jersey told BuzzFeed News. “Kaci Hickox was the first person to fall prey to his policy.”
The ACLU has joined as co-counsel in the suit, which was filed Thursday in federal court.
As part of the suit, Hickox is asking for $250,000, as well as a repeal of New Jersey’s Ebola virus quarantine which is still in effect.
“Ebola is a public health issue and it should be driven by science and fact,” Ofer said.
Instead, Ofer said, the policy was adopted out of fear and politics.
The suit also states that Hickox, who now lives in Oregon, had never shown signs of a fever or other symptoms of being infected, despite comments made by Christie and other state officials that she was feverish at the airport.
While she was in quarantine at the hospital, the suit states, she continued to show a normal temperature when officials used an oral thermometer, while a temporal scanning thermometer being used there showed higher readings.
A spokesman for Christie told BuzzFeed News the governor’s office would not comment on the lawsuit because its an ongoing legal matter.
But Christie, who is now a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, had an indication since last year that Hickox’s quarantine could eventually lead him to court.
During a campaign stop in Rhode Island in Oct. 2014, Christie told a reporter who asked about a possible suit: “Well, whatever. Get in line. I’ve been sued lots of times before. Get in line. I’m happy to take it on.”
In public comments at the time, Christie defended his decision stating that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had issued “confusing” protocols during the Ebola virus outbreak.
In my opinion, the enforced quarantine of an asymptomatic patient was ridiculous and it was 100% political posturing.
That being said, I don't think her suit should succeed because I think the state should have wide latitude to respond to public health concerns. That they might show poor leadership and judgement in enacting one is,in my opinion, a political matter best decided by the voters.
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2015/10/23 03:22:09
Subject: Ebooooooooooolllllllllllaaaaaaa: Nurse under quarantine in 2014 sues Chris Christie
It's an interesting case. The government does have an existing legal right to restrict individual liberties when it comes to public health, but it also has a responsibility to do so in the least restrictive way and to base these restrictions on sound medical science.
2015/10/23 04:05:55
Subject: Ebooooooooooolllllllllllaaaaaaa: Nurse under quarantine in 2014 sues Chris Christie
Given the infections that happened recently, it seems prudent to me to test her as standard safety precaution, but I would think the best time to do that test is in Africa... You know. Before she boarded a plane to another continent? Most certainly should not have continued to hold her after she tested negative. That's bonkers.
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I think your all nuts, I am sorry, but if you were possibly exposed to one of the most dangerous virus's in the world and you have to be inconvenienced for a couple of days.....ohh fething well.
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2015/10/23 04:41:10
Subject: Ebooooooooooolllllllllllaaaaaaa: Nurse under quarantine in 2014 sues Chris Christie
Agreed, its just that kind of logic that make horror/disaster movies longer than 5 minutes.
Nuke it from orbit- roll credits.
Especially since there was a case recently of someone who recovered during the outbreak that was showing symptoms again just recently. "science" and "facts" change all the time.
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SlaveToDorkness wrote: Agreed, its just that kind of logic that make horror/disaster movies longer than 5 minutes.
Nuke it from orbit- roll credits.
Especially since there was a case recently of someone who recovered during the outbreak that was showing symptoms again just recently. "science" and "facts" change all the time.
lmao thats an exalt right there.
I don't see anything wrong with a national wide policy of a 2-3 day quarantine for anyone coming back from a country with an active ebola outbreak.
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2015/10/23 04:46:00
Subject: Ebooooooooooolllllllllllaaaaaaa: Nurse under quarantine in 2014 sues Chris Christie
I work with a woman who went out to help with the ebola epidemic. She was not put into lockdown on returning to the UK as far as I can remember from speaking to her, though I think there were a few questions at the airport.
Ebola is so dangerous because of the poor access to healthcare and blatant disregard for measures designed to stop its spread by the local population... such as an infected household aelling the food they were provided with during lockdown to others in the village... infecting more households...
Ebola getting loose in the UK or US would not be good, but would not be devestating.
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SlaveToDorkness wrote: Agreed, its just that kind of logic that make horror/disaster movies longer than 5 minutes.
Nuke it from orbit- roll credits.
Especially since there was a case recently of someone who recovered during the outbreak that was showing symptoms again just recently. "science" and "facts" change all the time.
If you are talking about the nurse from the UK, that was due to a completely different infectious disease that took advantage of lowered immune system.
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I admit I was fairly concerned much more at first than I am now. I just stood back a minute, though and realized that Africa would be a depopulated Continent if Ebola were as deadly as we feared.
2015/10/23 04:55:39
Subject: Ebooooooooooolllllllllllaaaaaaa: Nurse under quarantine in 2014 sues Chris Christie
Got a citation for that, Silver? All I see is that they're saying it's not a new infection.
Ebola is a horrible disease, but I agree it's mainly so dangerous due to Africa's conditions of poverty, superstition, and ignorance compounded by sub-par medical practices.
My point is, assuming we know what the disease is capable of is our first mistake. better safe than sorry, better this idiot is inconvenienced a bit than get someone infected.
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Keep in mind that US soldiers/Marines who were sent to help with the relief were quarantined for 21 days after coming home. And this woman is complaining about 2 days in a tent? seriously? Feth her.
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2015/10/23 04:59:04
Subject: Ebooooooooooolllllllllllaaaaaaa: Nurse under quarantine in 2014 sues Chris Christie
Ebola is not one of the most dangerous viruses in the world. It spreads through the bodily fluids of people that are in advanced stages of the disease, making it relatively easy to avoid if proper measures are taken. It also has fairly obvious symptoms, making it hard to be Typhoid Mary and infect others without your knowledge.
She had displayed no symptoms while she was in Africa and was monitored before she went back to the United States. She repeatedly tested negative for Ebola after she was quarantined. The conditions of her quarantine were also pretty bad, being stuck in an unheated tent for days with a portable toilet and no shower.
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2015/10/23 05:02:16
Subject: Ebooooooooooolllllllllllaaaaaaa: Nurse under quarantine in 2014 sues Chris Christie
the Signless wrote: Ebola is not one of the most dangerous viruses in the world. It spreads through the bodily fluids of people that are in advanced stages of the disease, making it relatively easy to avoid if proper measures are taken. It also has fairly obvious symptoms, making it hard to be Typhoid Mary and infect others without your knowledge.
She had displayed no symptoms while she was in Africa and was monitored before she went back to the United States. She repeatedly tested negative for Ebola after she was quarantined. The conditions of her quarantine were also pretty bad, being stuck in an unheated tent for days with a portable toilet and no shower.
Aids is not a dangerous disease because it is transmitted by bodily fluids blah blah blah....seriously dude? I would rate how dangerous a virus/disease is by the survival rate not by how easy it is to transmit.
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2015/10/23 05:09:43
Subject: Ebooooooooooolllllllllllaaaaaaa: Nurse under quarantine in 2014 sues Chris Christie
Ghazkuul wrote: I would rate how dangerous a virus/disease is by the survival rate not by how easy it is to transmit.
That's not a great way to measure it. I think it's some of both.
I would not consider AIDS to be dangerous at all, truthfully. I'd prefer to not have it, ideally, but it's a fairly difficult disease to actually contract.
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2015/10/23 05:11:55
Subject: Ebooooooooooolllllllllllaaaaaaa: Nurse under quarantine in 2014 sues Chris Christie
Aids is not a dangerous disease because it is transmitted by bodily fluids blah blah blah....seriously dude? I would rate how dangerous a virus/disease is by the survival rate not by how easy it is to transmit.
Unlike AIDS, ebola has a short incubation period and very obvious active period making it much easier to spot. Also, with good foor, water and rest, most people recover on their own.
Aids is not a dangerous disease because it is transmitted by bodily fluids blah blah blah....seriously dude? I would rate how dangerous a virus/disease is by the survival rate not by how easy it is to transmit.
I can see that you aren't an Epidemiologist. Ease of transmission is one of the major factors that make diseases dangerous, why do you think people get so excited about avian influenzas?
LordofHats wrote: Most certainly should not have continued to hold her after she tested negative. That's bonkers.
Its not. No test is 100% reliable, although the diagnostics used in the recent outbreak are close. There was a case of Ebola transmission to a healthcare worker from a falsely negative infant and its highly likely that more such incidents occurred.
Ebola has a short incubation period though and has obvious early symptoms (most obviously a raised temperature), so this quarantine does sound more like political posturing than anything else.
Ebola is, realistically, a relatively difficult disease to contract and its spread very easy to control once identified.
However, given its potential lethality, I don't think a short quarantine/restriction period is unreasonable if there is a reasonable belief that someone may have been exposed.
That said, I don't have a problem with challenges to governmental authority on such issues to help keep them honest and careful about when they use such powers.
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2015/10/23 07:19:24
Subject: Ebooooooooooolllllllllllaaaaaaa: Nurse under quarantine in 2014 sues Chris Christie
the Signless wrote: Ebola is not one of the most dangerous viruses in the world. It spreads through the bodily fluids of people that are in advanced stages of the disease, making it relatively easy to avoid if proper measures are taken. It also has fairly obvious symptoms, making it hard to be Typhoid Mary and infect others without your knowledge.
She had displayed no symptoms while she was in Africa and was monitored before she went back to the United States. She repeatedly tested negative for Ebola after she was quarantined. The conditions of her quarantine were also pretty bad, being stuck in an unheated tent for days with a portable toilet and no shower.
Aids is not a dangerous disease because it is transmitted by bodily fluids blah blah blah....seriously dude? I would rate how dangerous a virus/disease is by the survival rate not by how easy it is to transmit.
Easy transmission of a usually non-lethal virus (think influenza) can cause many more deaths than a hardly-transmissible, highly lethal one.
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2015/10/23 11:04:20
Subject: Ebooooooooooolllllllllllaaaaaaa: Nurse under quarantine in 2014 sues Chris Christie
Ghazkuul wrote: I think your all nuts, I am sorry, but if you were possibly exposed to one of the most dangerous virus's in the world and you have to be inconvenienced for a couple of days.....ohh fething well.
I'd have to agree. The state of New Jersey should turn around and bill here for all costs associated. Then it should send Vinnie and Mickie Walnuts to motivate her in prompt payment.
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2015/10/23 11:15:25
Subject: Ebooooooooooolllllllllllaaaaaaa: Nurse under quarantine in 2014 sues Chris Christie
Relapse wrote:I admit I was fairly concerned much more at first than I am now. I just stood back a minute, though and realized that Africa would be a depopulated Continent if Ebola were as deadly as we feared.
Who is this "we" you're talking about? Irrational, misinformed people? But thank you for admitting that your overblown 'fear' of ebolavirus was shenanigans.
Ouze wrote:Imagine if this had broken out in a hub for human trafficking like Dallas.
Ghazkuul wrote: I would rate how dangerous a virus/disease is by the survival rate not by how easy it is to transmit.
Well I guess it's a good thing we leave this kind of stuff up to scientist and doctors who know what they are talking about. But then again, what the feth do they know? You're a guy on the internet, you have an opinion!
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2015/10/23 11:40:50
Subject: Re:Ebooooooooooolllllllllllaaaaaaa: Nurse under quarantine in 2014 sues Chris Christie
Relapse wrote:I admit I was fairly concerned much more at first than I am now. I just stood back a minute, though and realized that Africa would be a depopulated Continent if Ebola were as deadly as we feared.
Who is this "we" you're talking about? Irrational, misinformed people? But thank you for admitting that your overblown 'fear' of ebolavirus was shenanigans.
Ouze wrote:Imagine if this had broken out in a hub for human trafficking like Dallas.
Ghazkuul wrote: I would rate how dangerous a virus/disease is by the survival rate not by how easy it is to transmit.
Well I guess it's a good thing we leave this kind of stuff up to scientist and doctors who know what they are talking about. But then again, what the feth do they know? You're a guy on the internet, you have an opinion!
scooty can you go a single fething day without insulting every single person you disagree with on the internet?
And as for the plethora of others who decided to comment on my comment I apologize that I didn't specify that I was trying to point out how ridiculous it is to call ebola "not that dangerous"
Yes im well aware of the incubation period and how short term the disease is. I watched all the same news stories as the rest of you. Also thank you to whoever pointed out that I am not a epidemiologist, im sure you spent 5 minutes googling the right way to insult me so thanks for that.
The fact that any of you can honestly say that having a woman quarantined over the weekend because she was exposed to ebola a short time ago is ridiculous. From your posts in this and the USA Political topic I find it rather amusing that most who think it was wrong for a republican governor to quarantine the woman are also staunch supporters of Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton.
Maybe keep your own political posturing out of common sense?
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2015/10/23 11:50:21
Subject: Ebooooooooooolllllllllllaaaaaaa: Nurse under quarantine in 2014 sues Chris Christie
Evidently some of the survivors are dropping dead a few months after. There is some concern about it. I imagine if you're dead you're less concerned.
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2015/10/23 11:50:51
Subject: Re:Ebooooooooooolllllllllllaaaaaaa: Nurse under quarantine in 2014 sues Chris Christie
Ghazkuul wrote: scooty can you go a single fething day without insulting every single person you disagree with on the internet?
Is pointing out that you're not a medical expert an insult? Thin skin much?
And as for the plethora of others who decided to comment on my comment I apologize that I didn't specify that I was trying to point out how ridiculous it is to call ebola "not that dangerous"
Yes im well aware of the incubation period and how short term the disease is. I watched all the same news stories as the rest of you. Also thank you to whoever pointed out that I am not a epidemiologist, im sure you spent 5 minutes googling the right way to insult me so thanks for that.
No, myself and others spent weeks explaining to people just like you that you don't know what you're talking about. Go dig up the last ebola thread and give it a read. Also, don't base your opinion of the disease because you watched a bunch of terrible news stories about the 'epidemic.' That's part of your problem. Instead, go read some scientific papers on it instead of listening to a bunch of blowhard talking heads.
The fact that any of you can honestly say that having a woman quarantined over the weekend because she was exposed to ebola a short time ago is ridiculous. From your posts in this and the USA Political topic I find it rather amusing that most who think it was wrong for a republican governor to quarantine the woman are also staunch supporters of Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton.
That's odd, because I've never supported Clintion or Sanders. Feel free to go find where that is not true, I'll wait.
The political affiliation of the Chris Christie has nothing to do with how stupid he responded to the nurse without ebola. Stupidity regarding the disease was and is not limited to certain political parties.
Maybe keep your own political posturing out of common sense?
Political posturing? I'm not sure you know what that means by the way you're using it. Also, common sense has nothing to with how America handled ebola, as evidence by your contribution to this thread.
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2015/10/23 11:51:41
Subject: Ebooooooooooolllllllllllaaaaaaa: Nurse under quarantine in 2014 sues Chris Christie
Frazzled wrote: Evidently some of the survivors are dropping dead a few months after. There is some concern about it. I imagine if you're dead you're less concerned.
thats racist against zombies. #zombielivesmatter
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2015/10/23 11:53:43
Subject: Ebooooooooooolllllllllllaaaaaaa: Nurse under quarantine in 2014 sues Chris Christie
the Signless wrote: Ebola is not one of the most dangerous viruses in the world. It spreads through the bodily fluids of people that are in advanced stages of the disease, making it relatively easy to avoid if proper measures are taken. It also has fairly obvious symptoms, making it hard to be Typhoid Mary and infect others without your knowledge.
She had displayed no symptoms while she was in Africa and was monitored before she went back to the United States. She repeatedly tested negative for Ebola after she was quarantined. The conditions of her quarantine were also pretty bad, being stuck in an unheated tent for days with a portable toilet and no shower.
Aids is not a dangerous disease because it is transmitted by bodily fluids blah blah blah....seriously dude? I would rate how dangerous a virus/disease is by the survival rate not by how easy it is to transmit.
So far the survival rate for Ebola on a western country is what? 80-90%?
There is a big old thread explaining why the quarantine is stupid. Leave the public health issues to public health officials, not politicians.
2015/10/23 11:54:40
Subject: Ebooooooooooolllllllllllaaaaaaa: Nurse under quarantine in 2014 sues Chris Christie
Ghazkuul wrote: scooty can you go a single fething day without insulting every single person you disagree with on the internet?
He says, before going on to dismiss people's concerns in this thread as political posturing.
And as for the plethora of others who decided to comment on my comment I apologize that I didn't specify that I was trying to point out how ridiculous it is to call ebola "not that dangerous"
Apology accepted.
Yes im well aware of the incubation period and how short term the disease is. I watched all the same news stories as the rest of you. Also thank you to whoever pointed out that I am not a epidemiologist, im sure you spent 5 minutes googling the right way to insult me so thanks for that.
If it takes you 5 to google the word Epidemiologist then you either need to get a better internet connection, or learn to type the words "person who studies diseases" It's not that hard. And what's so unfeasible about people knowing the word in the first place? Just because it's a big word doesn't mean that people don't know it.
The fact that any of you can honestly say that having a woman quarantined over the weekend because she was exposed to ebola a short time ago is ridiculous. From your posts in this and the USA Political topic I find it rather amusing that most who think it was wrong for a republican governor to quarantine the woman are also staunch supporters of Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton.
Because of course, the only people who would protest to being kept in quarantine after testing negative for Ebola would be them Durn Libruls! And she was "exposed" in so much as she was near people who were ill with it whilst using safety measures designed to prevent its spread. She wasn't exactly licking the blood off of their faces.
Maybe keep your own political posturing out of common sense?
Of course! Only conservatives are able to use common sense; I tried to use common sense once, but all I ended up doing was chanting "FeelTheBern" over and over again for half an hour; I'm not quite sure what happened, but this explains it!
On topic (or more on topic), I'm not sure about whether that much money is justified, but using this case as a means of forcing the state to actually adopt sensible practices can only be a good thing in my view.
the Signless wrote: Ebola is not one of the most dangerous viruses in the world. It spreads through the bodily fluids of people that are in advanced stages of the disease, making it relatively easy to avoid if proper measures are taken. It also has fairly obvious symptoms, making it hard to be Typhoid Mary and infect others without your knowledge.
She had displayed no symptoms while she was in Africa and was monitored before she went back to the United States. She repeatedly tested negative for Ebola after she was quarantined. The conditions of her quarantine were also pretty bad, being stuck in an unheated tent for days with a portable toilet and no shower.
Aids is not a dangerous disease because it is transmitted by bodily fluids blah blah blah....seriously dude? I would rate how dangerous a virus/disease is by the survival rate not by how easy it is to transmit.
So far the survival rate for Ebola on a western country is what? 80-90%?
There is a big old thread explaining why the quarantine is stupid. Leave the public health issues to public health officials, not politicians.
was there a political gain to have the military coming back from Africa quarantined for 3 weeks? i missed where that had any kind of political motivation.
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