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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/29 19:08:26
Subject: Bought a mounted Krieg commissar on ebay, was I swindled?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Hi guys
I bought this fellow on ebay from someone saying he was selling off his old collection, but the strange resin base makes me wonder if it's a recast.
Does anyone here know?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/29 19:33:40
Subject: Bought a mounted Krieg commissar on ebay, was I swindled?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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The spruces say it all
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/29 19:38:00
Subject: Bought a mounted Krieg commissar on ebay, was I swindled?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Meaning, it's a recast?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/29 19:40:32
Subject: Bought a mounted Krieg commissar on ebay, was I swindled?
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Heroic Senior Officer
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I would say so, normally FW has these giant road blocks for sprues. This guy is missing it.
Is it smooth and "slimey" or is it sort of rough and porous?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/29 19:43:00
Subject: Bought a mounted Krieg commissar on ebay, was I swindled?
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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It does look like a recast - the vents and flash aren't consistent with most FW casts that I've seen, and the base from FW is the regular GW black plastic, not resin for this model.
You can either return it, or contact FW, let them know you ended up with a recast, and they may send you the genuine article.
It is possible the seller had it in his collection, with an unknown provenance, it is sometimes hard to say. If he has multiples, then its likely shady. Although I'd put money on this as recast.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/29 19:52:48
Subject: Bought a mounted Krieg commissar on ebay, was I swindled?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Yea it's a recast.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/29 19:55:48
Subject: Bought a mounted Krieg commissar on ebay, was I swindled?
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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The solid resin base probably tells it all alone.
Its a good chance its a recast.
Ether use it or contact forgeworld with a second opinion.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/29 19:56:40
Subject: Bought a mounted Krieg commissar on ebay, was I swindled?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Wonderful.. Well, thanks for the info, at least I learned something from this.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/29 20:07:18
Subject: Bought a mounted Krieg commissar on ebay, was I swindled?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Paypal can be contacted. Get a rep who knows 40k.
Paypal will not only pay for it but ask that you "destroy," the model.
You could... keep it as well... hushhush.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/29 20:24:03
Subject: Bought a mounted Krieg commissar on ebay, was I swindled?
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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The base is very telling, other than that it doesn't look like any caster I've seen. Automatically Appended Next Post: Also seconds on what stormwall said - next obvious recast warlord i see on ebay i am going to buy and then challenge with paypal
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/30 00:53:35
Subject: Bought a mounted Krieg commissar on ebay, was I swindled?
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Douglas Bader
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Cruentus wrote:You can either return it, or contact FW, let them know you ended up with a recast, and they may send you the genuine article.
They won't send a replacement. The DKoK mounted commissar was a limited-edition model that was sold at FW events and has been OOP for years.
As for the OP's question, is it a recast? Probably. Did you get ripped off? Depends on how much you paid for it and how much you care about having a "real" one. Recasts of OOP models like this are so common that "is it a recast" isn't even a very relevant question, the real thing that matters ( IMO) is whether it's a good recast. Automatically Appended Next Post: kb_lock wrote:Also seconds on what stormwall said - next obvious recast warlord i see on ebay i am going to buy and then challenge with paypal
So you admit to committing fraud? That's not a very smart thing to do.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/10/30 00:54:16
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/30 00:57:54
Subject: Bought a mounted Krieg commissar on ebay, was I swindled?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Nah, I took that as meaning that kb would buy it, challenge them and then they'd be up gak creek, as the item isn't returned, and Paypal took the buyer's side.
Keeps them from scamming someone else, and means they're out another point of revenue.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/30 00:59:52
Subject: Bought a mounted Krieg commissar on ebay, was I swindled?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Definitely a recast. Look at the copyright attribution - it's deliberately "damaged", which is something GW never allows to happen with genuine product.
If you're within dispute window, raise that flag and let us know how it goes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/30 01:04:00
Subject: Bought a mounted Krieg commissar on ebay, was I swindled?
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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@Peregrine, BC has the right of it - I'd buy it, knowing it was a recast, then tell paypal that it is a recast (somehow get GW to verify that it isn't genuine) get paypal to refund my money and "destroy" it.
Is it fraud? Arguable, but even if it is, if defrauding someone going out of their way to defraud people is wrong, I am happy to be wrong.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/30 01:12:20
Subject: Re:Bought a mounted Krieg commissar on ebay, was I swindled?
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Mysterious Techpriest
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Looks like a recast. Paint it up regardless!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/30 01:22:48
Subject: Re:Bought a mounted Krieg commissar on ebay, was I swindled?
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Ultramarine Master with Gauntlets of Macragge
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Definitely a recast. I would suggest using it anyway, as that model has been OOP for a while I believe.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/30 01:50:29
Subject: Bought a mounted Krieg commissar on ebay, was I swindled?
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Douglas Bader
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kb_lock wrote:Is it fraud? Arguable, but even if it is, if defrauding someone going out of their way to defraud people is wrong, I am happy to be wrong.
There's no "arguably" about it. You're accepting a conditional refund from paypal in exchange for destroying the counterfeit goods, but you know perfectly well that you aren't going to destroy them. You're obtaining goods from the seller by pretending to be a customer, but you know perfectly well that you're going to take your money back and keep your "purchase". This is no different from deciding that a store is selling recasts so you're entitled to walk in and steal whatever you want off the shelf.
In addition to any crimes you might be committing you are certainly going against the intent of the refund policy. The intent is that a customer who unknowingly buys an item that doesn't match their legitimate expectations has a way to recover their money. You aren't an unsuspecting victim, you know perfectly well that you're buying recasts and are still happy to hand over your money. You're exploiting the system, nothing more.
And don't bother giving me any of this nonsense about how you're a noble hero protecting the innocent victims who might otherwise buy recasts. If that was your goal you'd just report the seller to ebay and get their stuff removed, and if you did buy recasts you'd destroy them after establishing that they are recasts and getting your money back. It's very obvious here that you're congratulating yourself for being so clever and finding a way to scam people for free models.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/30 01:55:19
Subject: Bought a mounted Krieg commissar on ebay, was I swindled?
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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I have purchased recasts before, knowing what they were with no misrepresentation - using paypal. I never charged those back, even though I "could". The misrepresentation is the key part here, there are folks selling stuff on ebay which are clearly recast and they say they are genuine.
Think what you like of me, I don't need to scam people to finance my hobby, but I will add your opinion of me to my list of things I don't care about.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/30 01:56:59
Subject: Bought a mounted Krieg commissar on ebay, was I swindled?
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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At the very least don't admit on a public forum that you are committing fraud.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/30 02:04:38
Subject: Bought a mounted Krieg commissar on ebay, was I swindled?
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Douglas Bader
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kb_lock wrote:The misrepresentation is the key part here, there are folks selling stuff on ebay which are clearly recast and they say they are genuine.
Then report the seller to ebay, and if you do buy the models destroy them once you have received your refund and provided ebay with the proof they need to ban the seller. If you are "buying" models and demanding a refund with the intent to keep both the models and your money then you are guilty of fraud. And your moral high ground you're trying to claim is reduced to nothing more than figuring a way to scam people for free models.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/30 02:15:57
Subject: Bought a mounted Krieg commissar on ebay, was I swindled?
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Screaming Banshee
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Is it at least a good recast?
Of course, if this guy has misrepresented it as the real deal, you've probably paid too much for it :/
Cruentus wrote:You can either return it, or contact FW, let them know you ended up with a recast, and they may send you the genuine article.
Why would they do that?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/30 04:15:09
Subject: Bought a mounted Krieg commissar on ebay, was I swindled?
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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TheCustomLime wrote:At the very least don't admit on a public forum that you are committing fraud. 
Heh, I haven't actually done it - not sure I could tbh
Peregrine wrote:
Then report the seller to ebay, and if you do buy the models destroy them once you have received your refund and provided ebay with the proof they need to ban the seller. If you are "buying" models and demanding a refund with the intent to keep both the models and your money then you are guilty of fraud. And your moral high ground you're trying to claim is reduced to nothing more than figuring a way to scam people for free models.
I do report, ebay don't do anything.
Please give me more of your opinions though, you clearly have a lot to say and I am amazingly interested.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/30 04:34:48
Subject: Bought a mounted Krieg commissar on ebay, was I swindled?
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Douglas Bader
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Then just give up and stop worrying about it. You're not impressing anyone with your "get free models" scam, you're just revealing that you're an awful person and have no shame about it.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/30 04:46:55
Subject: Bought a mounted Krieg commissar on ebay, was I swindled?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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It's worth examining the possibility KB have been winding your key, unless you actually think someone is going to gamble Warlord Titan level money to piss off a recast seller.
Even from China those run hundreds of dollars before the reseller flips it.
It's a nice thought, and a little inflammatory, but really not worth insulting people over.
FW will not replace fake models, even if they are in production. They will give PayPal evidence that it is fake for your refund claim, and dispose of the item.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/30 05:01:11
Subject: Bought a mounted Krieg commissar on ebay, was I swindled?
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Peregrine wrote:
Then just give up and stop worrying about it. You're not impressing anyone with your "get free models" scam, you're just revealing that you're an awful person and have no shame about it.
Thanks mate, anything else you'd like to get off your chest? You're definitely impressing me here, please continue.
@ BC, don't clue him in please, it's brightening up my Friday afternoon. I'm too old for my own teenage angst nowadays, unfortunately.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/30 05:13:47
Subject: Re:Bought a mounted Krieg commissar on ebay, was I swindled?
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Douglas Bader
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So you admit that you're just trolling then? I'm not sure if that's better or worse than if you were seriously planning on doing your scam.
And yes, I'm going to take it seriously, because it's an incredibly obvious scam that most people who have ever dealt with 40k stuff on ebay have probably thought of. The only reason selling on ebay works is that most people aren't dishonest enough to actually do it. So if someone starts trying to portray that scam as a good thing to do then I'm going to tell them they're TFG. The last thing this community needs is to start getting ideas about how it's ok to scam people as long as you can tell yourself a nice story about how they deserved it.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/30 05:21:12
Subject: Bought a mounted Krieg commissar on ebay, was I swindled?
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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I sell on ebay, but I don't sell recast stuff for 5x what recasters sell for, because that is scamming.
I ABSOLUTELY hope that the idea of scamming people selling recasts on ebay for full FW prices takes off, and people that are selling recasts get utterly hammered.
Your continued assertion that people are completely allowed to scam by selling recasts on ebay, and they should be protected by people that want to rip them off is hilarious, and says more about you than it does me for the idea, quite frankly.
Good luck selling your recasts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/30 05:39:20
Subject: Bought a mounted Krieg commissar on ebay, was I swindled?
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Douglas Bader
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kb_lock wrote:I ABSOLUTELY hope that the idea of scamming people selling recasts on ebay for full FW prices takes off, and people that are selling recasts get utterly hammered.
I see. And the collateral damage to legitimate sellers doesn't matter one bit to you?
Your continued assertion that people are completely allowed to scam by selling recasts on ebay, and they should be protected by people that want to rip them off is hilarious, and says more about you than it does me for the idea, quite frankly.
Oh FFS, I'm not justifying recasts of any kind. I'm just pointing out the absurdity of how you're trying to portray your "get free models" scam as some kind of noble crusade to protect innocent victims from the evil recasters. You don't give a  about other people who might buy those recasts, you just want free models. That's why you made such a big deal about how you could keep the recasts instead of destroying them once you've got your refund.
Also, ever here the saying "two wrongs don't make a right"? The fact that you suspect a store of dishonest business practices doesn't give you the right to walk in and steal whatever you want off their shelves.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/30 05:55:03
Subject: Bought a mounted Krieg commissar on ebay, was I swindled?
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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What type of recasts are legitimate sellers selling to become collateral damage exactly?
Please keep telling me about my motivations and values, it is really important to me to hear what you think.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/30 05:58:12
Subject: Bought a mounted Krieg commissar on ebay, was I swindled?
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Making Stuff
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SO... we seem to have moved on somewhat from the original topic and into silliness.
Asked and answered. Moving on.
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