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From personal experiance what do you think is the strongest army? Please do not include any fluff or lore when including your opinion this is strickly what you find the most painful to play against, feel free to include personal rankings or lists, would love to hear the general idea on what everyone thinks is the best to worst armies to play or play against.

Also, to avoid and confusion the polled armies are taken from the GW website.
   
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Elder or necrons. To hell with jet bikes.

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It's been stated already in similar subjects. The way eldar codex is made it keep this faction on top hands down. Other armies is bout how much msu you can bring as it's the way the game tends to be played atm.
   
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There's a lot of technicalities that can change the answer to that question. Game format, point level, and house rules is a big one. (And there WILL be house rules anywhere you play.)

Since you didn't specify, I'm going to assume you're asking straight unfiltered book silliness, in which case eldar wraithknight spam is head and shoulders above about anything else in the game. It can be beaten, but only by extreme tailor action that would in turn make THAT list lose a lot more often to the general field.

If you go to a limited/banned Super heavies format, eldar still have the best standalone unit quality, but the extreme top tier formations beat them, usually sticking the eldar player in an event as a "X and 1" high rank.

If you drop superheavies and formations, eldar return to the top with their amazing quality of units in a standard CAD.

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 niv-mizzet wrote:
There's a lot of technicalities that can change the answer to that question. Game format, point level, and house rules is a big one. (And there WILL be house rules anywhere you play.)

Since you didn't specify, I'm going to assume you're asking straight unfiltered book silliness, in which case eldar wraithknight spam is head and shoulders above about anything else in the game. It can be beaten, but only by extreme tailor action that would in turn make THAT list lose a lot more often to the general field.

If you go to a limited/banned Super heavies format, eldar still have the best standalone unit quality, but the extreme top tier formations beat them, usually sticking the eldar player in an event as a "X and 1" high rank.

If you drop superheavies and formations, eldar return to the top with their amazing quality of units in a standard CAD.


You literally just said depends on the format, then went on to say elder in every format.
   
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Huh, wouldn't have thought space marines were on the same tier as necrons and Tau. Also, R.I.P Sisters of Battle
   
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eleven11 wrote:
 niv-mizzet wrote:
There's a lot of technicalities that can change the answer to that question. Game format, point level, and house rules is a big one. (And there WILL be house rules anywhere you play.)

Since you didn't specify, I'm going to assume you're asking straight unfiltered book silliness, in which case eldar wraithknight spam is head and shoulders above about anything else in the game. It can be beaten, but only by extreme tailor action that would in turn make THAT list lose a lot more often to the general field.

If you go to a limited/banned Super heavies format, eldar still have the best standalone unit quality, but the extreme top tier formations beat them, usually sticking the eldar player in an event as a "X and 1" high rank.

If you drop superheavies and formations, eldar return to the top with their amazing quality of units in a standard CAD.


You literally just said depends on the format, then went on to say elder in every format.


Not quite. Re-read the second one. Also, that is nowhere near an exhaustive list of formats, just a few that I know the eldar perform well in. Highlander-no super heavies drops them quite a bit for example.

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Reavas wrote:
Huh, wouldn't have thought space marines were on the same tier as necrons and Tau. Also, R.I.P Sisters of Battle


Space marines have a lot of very subtle but powerful options now, with the Demacles Campaign books out now, White scars is very powerful. Space marines will always be competitive because its GW's first child if you will.

I was not surprised at all by the votes, I think Eldar's 7th book is the best "decurian/contingent/whateverNameYouWant" in terms of modularity. Every edition they release seems to get more and more taxed towards GW sales, over rules. (that is my opinion don't ask me for statistics or facts).

As stated Eldar's base units are very good, but I think what makes them as good as they are they are specialist by default. Every unit is 100% at what it was intended to do. Whereas a space marine for example is geared to be versatile and thus is not super great at any one thing.

Tau is great, they will always be in the running, everyone will complain about them, but no one will see them just sweep a tournaments top finishers.

Necrons are my bane. If I had to pick one army that I absolutely go into a game unsure how to win in any format its them. I can deal with Eldar.. but it's another thing dealing with attrition. When your opponent can just outlive you, there is less you are able to do.

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It depends on the general.

An extremely skilled general with a decent list will put up a good fight against a less experienced general with a tournament net list. Knowing what your list is capable of is half the power (the other is the list itself, hence list hammer).

I'd say overall, assuming both generals have an equal amount of skill more or less, Eldar are the best army on the table top. I don't think many would argue that.

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 Grizzyzz wrote:
Reavas wrote:
Huh, wouldn't have thought space marines were on the same tier as necrons and Tau. Also, R.I.P Sisters of Battle


Space marines have a lot of very subtle but powerful options now, with the Demacles Campaign books out now, White scars is very powerful. Space marines will always be competitive because its GW's first child if you will.

I was not surprised at all by the votes, I think Eldar's 7th book is the best "decurian/contingent/whateverNameYouWant" in terms of modularity. Every edition they release seems to get more and more taxed towards GW sales, over rules. (that is my opinion don't ask me for statistics or facts).

As stated Eldar's base units are very good, but I think what makes them as good as they are they are specialist by default. Every unit is 100% at what it was intended to do. Whereas a space marine for example is geared to be versatile and thus is not super great at any one thing.

Tau is great, they will always be in the running, everyone will complain about them, but no one will see them just sweep a tournaments top finishers.

Necrons are my bane. If I had to pick one army that I absolutely go into a game unsure how to win in any format its them. I can deal with Eldar.. but it's another thing dealing with attrition. When your opponent can just outlive you, there is less you are able to do.


Actually, I think the eldar detachment is trash. It basically does nothing for you. Hands down the worst of the formation detachments.

Their units and their formations though....
   
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Ok that's fair.. I was thinking more in terms of their auxiliary formations.

For instance they are all very small and usable. 3 squads of aspect warriors.

Tau for example. No auxiliary 'formation' is less then 300 points and that's no upgrades.

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Yeah, the Eldar Decurion is complete junk. Since you cam just take the Aspect/Dire formations with it and then bring Wraithknights, you can walk over everything else.

The issue is that there's still tax units. Guardians aren't good, even with the BS/WS boost that Kelly gave them for...reasons.

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I disagree that guardians are not good. Put them in a raider, and you will see what their pseudo-rending does to squads. Im currently building a DE army, and tried to ally in Eldar. Every time I add a squad "well, this is just plain better than the DE version... why am I taking DE at all?" goes through my head.

Every unit Eldar have is amazing. Except possibly storm guardians and shining spears...

So yes, Eldar is my vote. Necrons are really good, but they can be out-played by a fast and smart opponent (so not me).
   
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Guardians are also decent in the Warhost detachment imo. With that free 6" run and a free heavy weapon they can move forward, shoot up a target and then battle focus 6" back

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I guess Eldar with Jetbikers and WK is the best followed by Necrons.

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I go by the armies I never want to face. And that's Necrons by far, maybe the local meta of Eldar for me has been lackluster. Necrons have reanimation which is terrifying and wraiths with 3+ invuls. oh and they're 4+ in the army for a lot of stats like shooting, 6+ glances with Gauss, combined with LD 10. I'll take anything over playing against Necrons.

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Space Marines.

Competitive Eldar I can handle. Metal box spam Marines I have yet to crack.

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I would love to see AM or CSM in that spot however its Eldar. Always Eldar and if not it is Taudar.

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I'm very glad none of my friends are running eldar in their army. Although I do have to deal with Necrons which seem annoyingly strong against my daemons

It would be a great helpp if someone had a look at my army list I posted, otherwise I'm going in blind against my friends Necron Army
   
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Hahahaha, who voted CSMs?! Someone met a triple Heldrake/MoN bike spam/Spawn army!?
   
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CSM is nothing to the awesome Tempestus someone things are the best army out there.

At least no one voted army of the dead marines.
   
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Reavas wrote:
I'm very glad none of my friends are running eldar in their army. Although I do have to deal with Necrons which seem annoyingly strong against my daemons

It would be a great helpp if someone had a look at my army list I posted, otherwise I'm going in blind against my friends Necron Army


Make the most of the psychic phase. Necrons have no psykers of their own and generally poor psychic defenses. Power that lower leadership are good, as Necrons lack ATSKNF or Fearless.

What's your list?
   
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I currently running a list of predominantly daemonettes and Seekers but to be precise.

10 Seekers of Slannesh
20 Daemonettes
10 Khorn Bloodletter

Im not sure what to do with my heralds or what to equip my units with I was thinking of going.

1 herald of Khorn with etherblade
2 heralds of Slannesh mounted and with etherblade
1 herald of Slannesh un-mounted and with etherblade

Im not sure precisely how to use psychic powers as Im new to 40k so I just equipped a load of fast attack with etherblades to chop them to bits. Any advice would be greatly appreciated

   
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I'd have to say Eldar and Necrons are probably the two strongest, although I'm not sure which is actually stronger. Probably Eldar because of Wraithknight spam. It should be noted that I've only faced Necrons once on the tabletop and that was not a decurion and there were only three wraiths. Just their special rules are crazy (especially RP and Gauss).

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 Grizzyzz wrote:
Reavas wrote:
Huh, wouldn't have thought space marines were on the same tier as necrons and Tau. Also, R.I.P Sisters of Battle


Space marines have a lot of very subtle but powerful options now, with the Demacles Campaign books out now, White scars is very powerful. Space marines will always be competitive because its GW's first child if you will.

I was not surprised at all by the votes, I think Eldar's 7th book is the best "decurian/contingent/whateverNameYouWant" in terms of modularity. Every edition they release seems to get more and more taxed towards GW sales, over rules. (that is my opinion don't ask me for statistics or facts).

As stated Eldar's base units are very good, but I think what makes them as good as they are they are specialist by default. Every unit is 100% at what it was intended to do. Whereas a space marine for example is geared to be versatile and thus is not super great at any one thing.

Tau is great, they will always be in the running, everyone will complain about them, but no one will see them just sweep a tournaments top finishers.

Necrons are my bane. If I had to pick one army that I absolutely go into a game unsure how to win in any format its them. I can deal with Eldar.. but it's another thing dealing with attrition. When your opponent can just outlive you, there is less you are able to do.


This sentiment amuses me, because space marines were unusable crap in 2nd, mediocre in 4th, and towards the bottom in 5th. That's not always competitive.


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 Jimsolo wrote:
Space Marines.

Competitive Eldar I can handle. Metal box spam Marines I have yet to crack.


I find this almost unbelievable. Almost. Personally, I've gotten much closer to beating a gladius with BA than the Eldar. Much, much closer. And yes, I've never beaten either one of them. Sue me for not gitting good.

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I'm going to assume the Dark Angels and CSM are joke votes.



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 MWHistorian wrote:
I'm going to assume the Dark Angels and CSM are joke votes.


It's sad when a codex as good as DA is a joke vote.
   
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Currently, I'd say that Eldar are by far and away the 'God' level tier, with Vanilla Marines, Decurion Necrons & Tau fighting it out for top spot in the 'A' tier.


 
   
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Eldar and Tau are the top dogs from a mechanics perspective. Skilled generalship can win through though. If you play with the ITC Tau nerf then they're still A tier, but if you play it as it was written with units sharing rules they will quickly annihilate even Eldar. More so with a good general.

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