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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/18 12:20:38
Subject: What army is the strongest on the board?
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Dakka Veteran
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From personal experiance what do you think is the strongest army? Please do not include any fluff or lore when including your opinion this is strickly what you find the most painful to play against, feel free to include personal rankings or lists, would love to hear the general idea on what everyone thinks is the best to worst armies to play or play against.
Also, to avoid and confusion the polled armies are taken from the GW website.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/18 12:36:45
Subject: What army is the strongest on the board?
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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Elder or necrons. To hell with jet bikes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/18 12:36:50
Subject: What army is the strongest on the board?
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Stalwart Space Marine
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It's been stated already in similar subjects. The way eldar codex is made it keep this faction on top hands down. Other armies is bout how much msu you can bring as it's the way the game tends to be played atm.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/18 12:47:17
Subject: What army is the strongest on the board?
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Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine
Little Rock, Arkansas
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There's a lot of technicalities that can change the answer to that question. Game format, point level, and house rules is a big one. (And there WILL be house rules anywhere you play.)
Since you didn't specify, I'm going to assume you're asking straight unfiltered book silliness, in which case eldar wraithknight spam is head and shoulders above about anything else in the game. It can be beaten, but only by extreme tailor action that would in turn make THAT list lose a lot more often to the general field.
If you go to a limited/banned Super heavies format, eldar still have the best standalone unit quality, but the extreme top tier formations beat them, usually sticking the eldar player in an event as a "X and 1" high rank.
If you drop superheavies and formations, eldar return to the top with their amazing quality of units in a standard CAD.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/18 14:55:30
Subject: What army is the strongest on the board?
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Been Around the Block
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niv-mizzet wrote:There's a lot of technicalities that can change the answer to that question. Game format, point level, and house rules is a big one. (And there WILL be house rules anywhere you play.)
Since you didn't specify, I'm going to assume you're asking straight unfiltered book silliness, in which case eldar wraithknight spam is head and shoulders above about anything else in the game. It can be beaten, but only by extreme tailor action that would in turn make THAT list lose a lot more often to the general field.
If you go to a limited/banned Super heavies format, eldar still have the best standalone unit quality, but the extreme top tier formations beat them, usually sticking the eldar player in an event as a "X and 1" high rank.
If you drop superheavies and formations, eldar return to the top with their amazing quality of units in a standard CAD.
You literally just said depends on the format, then went on to say elder in every format.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/18 15:17:28
Subject: What army is the strongest on the board?
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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C'mon, seriously? Eldar. "But what about-" Eldar. "But even if it's-" Eldar. It will always be Eldar.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/18 15:53:40
Subject: Re:What army is the strongest on the board?
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Dakka Veteran
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Huh, wouldn't have thought space marines were on the same tier as necrons and Tau. Also, R.I.P Sisters of Battle
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/18 15:55:54
Subject: What army is the strongest on the board?
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Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine
Little Rock, Arkansas
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eleven11 wrote: niv-mizzet wrote:There's a lot of technicalities that can change the answer to that question. Game format, point level, and house rules is a big one. (And there WILL be house rules anywhere you play.)
Since you didn't specify, I'm going to assume you're asking straight unfiltered book silliness, in which case eldar wraithknight spam is head and shoulders above about anything else in the game. It can be beaten, but only by extreme tailor action that would in turn make THAT list lose a lot more often to the general field.
If you go to a limited/banned Super heavies format, eldar still have the best standalone unit quality, but the extreme top tier formations beat them, usually sticking the eldar player in an event as a "X and 1" high rank.
If you drop superheavies and formations, eldar return to the top with their amazing quality of units in a standard CAD.
You literally just said depends on the format, then went on to say elder in every format.
Not quite. Re-read the second one. Also, that is nowhere near an exhaustive list of formats, just a few that I know the eldar perform well in. Highlander-no super heavies drops them quite a bit for example.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/18 16:39:18
Subject: Re:What army is the strongest on the board?
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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Reavas wrote:Huh, wouldn't have thought space marines were on the same tier as necrons and Tau. Also, R.I.P Sisters of Battle
Space marines have a lot of very subtle but powerful options now, with the Demacles Campaign books out now, White scars is very powerful. Space marines will always be competitive because its GW's first child if you will.
I was not surprised at all by the votes, I think Eldar's 7th book is the best "decurian/contingent/whateverNameYouWant" in terms of modularity. Every edition they release seems to get more and more taxed towards GW sales, over rules. (that is my opinion don't ask me for statistics or facts).
As stated Eldar's base units are very good, but I think what makes them as good as they are they are specialist by default. Every unit is 100% at what it was intended to do. Whereas a space marine for example is geared to be versatile and thus is not super great at any one thing.
Tau is great, they will always be in the running, everyone will complain about them, but no one will see them just sweep a tournaments top finishers.
Necrons are my bane. If I had to pick one army that I absolutely go into a game unsure how to win in any format its them. I can deal with Eldar.. but it's another thing dealing with attrition. When your opponent can just outlive you, there is less you are able to do.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/18 16:43:59
Subject: What army is the strongest on the board?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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It depends on the general.
An extremely skilled general with a decent list will put up a good fight against a less experienced general with a tournament net list. Knowing what your list is capable of is half the power (the other is the list itself, hence list hammer).
I'd say overall, assuming both generals have an equal amount of skill more or less, Eldar are the best army on the table top. I don't think many would argue that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/18 17:27:10
Subject: Re:What army is the strongest on the board?
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Been Around the Block
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Grizzyzz wrote:Reavas wrote:Huh, wouldn't have thought space marines were on the same tier as necrons and Tau. Also, R.I.P Sisters of Battle
Space marines have a lot of very subtle but powerful options now, with the Demacles Campaign books out now, White scars is very powerful. Space marines will always be competitive because its GW's first child if you will.
I was not surprised at all by the votes, I think Eldar's 7th book is the best "decurian/contingent/whateverNameYouWant" in terms of modularity. Every edition they release seems to get more and more taxed towards GW sales, over rules. (that is my opinion don't ask me for statistics or facts).
As stated Eldar's base units are very good, but I think what makes them as good as they are they are specialist by default. Every unit is 100% at what it was intended to do. Whereas a space marine for example is geared to be versatile and thus is not super great at any one thing.
Tau is great, they will always be in the running, everyone will complain about them, but no one will see them just sweep a tournaments top finishers.
Necrons are my bane. If I had to pick one army that I absolutely go into a game unsure how to win in any format its them. I can deal with Eldar.. but it's another thing dealing with attrition. When your opponent can just outlive you, there is less you are able to do.
Actually, I think the eldar detachment is trash. It basically does nothing for you. Hands down the worst of the formation detachments.
Their units and their formations though....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/18 17:39:46
Subject: What army is the strongest on the board?
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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Ok that's fair.. I was thinking more in terms of their auxiliary formations.
For instance they are all very small and usable. 3 squads of aspect warriors.
Tau for example. No auxiliary 'formation' is less then 300 points and that's no upgrades.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/18 17:55:00
Subject: What army is the strongest on the board?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Yeah, the Eldar Decurion is complete junk. Since you cam just take the Aspect/Dire formations with it and then bring Wraithknights, you can walk over everything else.
The issue is that there's still tax units. Guardians aren't good, even with the BS/WS boost that Kelly gave them for...reasons.
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CaptainStabby wrote:If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote:BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote:Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote:ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/18 18:10:49
Subject: Re:What army is the strongest on the board?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I disagree that guardians are not good. Put them in a raider, and you will see what their pseudo-rending does to squads. Im currently building a DE army, and tried to ally in Eldar. Every time I add a squad "well, this is just plain better than the DE version... why am I taking DE at all?" goes through my head.
Every unit Eldar have is amazing. Except possibly storm guardians and shining spears...
So yes, Eldar is my vote. Necrons are really good, but they can be out-played by a fast and smart opponent (so not me).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/18 18:11:52
Subject: What army is the strongest on the board?
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Ultramarine Master with Gauntlets of Macragge
What's left of Cadia
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Guardians are also decent in the Warhost detachment imo. With that free 6" run and a free heavy weapon they can move forward, shoot up a target and then battle focus 6" back
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TheEyeOfNight- I swear, this thread is 70% smack talk, 20% RP organization, and 10% butt jokes
TheEyeOfNight- "Ordo Xenos reports that the Necrons have attained democracy, kamikaze tendencies, and nuclear fission. It's all tits up, sir."
Space Marine flyers are shaped for the greatest possible air resistance so that the air may never defeat the SPACE MARINES!
Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/18 18:18:04
Subject: What army is the strongest on the board?
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
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I guess Eldar with Jetbikers and WK is the best followed by Necrons.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/18 22:30:37
Subject: Re:What army is the strongest on the board?
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Possessed Khorne Marine Covered in Spikes
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I go by the armies I never want to face. And that's Necrons by far, maybe the local meta of Eldar for me has been lackluster. Necrons have reanimation which is terrifying and wraiths with 3+ invuls. oh and they're 4+ in the army for a lot of stats like shooting, 6+ glances with Gauss, combined with LD 10. I'll take anything over playing against Necrons.
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WAAAGH!!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/18 23:39:26
Subject: Re:What army is the strongest on the board?
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Hellish Haemonculus
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Space Marines.
Competitive Eldar I can handle. Metal box spam Marines I have yet to crack.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/19 04:23:17
Subject: What army is the strongest on the board?
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Dark Angels Neophyte Undergoing Surgeries
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I would love to see AM or CSM in that spot however its Eldar. Always Eldar and if not it is Taudar.
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gossipmeng wrote:I was reading this expecting to be shocked, but he didn't seem that odd to me.
People go to church and pray to entities for whatever reason. This guy just has his own set of theories. If 2000 years ago some guy wrote a book about the warp while lighting a bush on fire - there would be a whole bunch of people in temples right now worshiping warp related activity.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/19 12:33:54
Subject: Re:What army is the strongest on the board?
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Dakka Veteran
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I'm very glad none of my friends are running eldar in their army. Although I do have to deal with Necrons which seem annoyingly strong against my daemons
It would be a great helpp if someone had a look at my army list I posted, otherwise I'm going in blind against my friends Necron Army
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/19 13:47:06
Subject: What army is the strongest on the board?
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Committed Chaos Cult Marine
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Hahahaha, who voted CSMs?! Someone met a triple Heldrake/MoN bike spam/Spawn army!?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/19 15:29:59
Subject: What army is the strongest on the board?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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CSM is nothing to the awesome Tempestus someone things are the best army out there.
At least no one voted army of the dead marines.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/19 15:34:08
Subject: Re:What army is the strongest on the board?
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Hellacious Havoc
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Reavas wrote:I'm very glad none of my friends are running eldar in their army. Although I do have to deal with Necrons which seem annoyingly strong against my daemons
It would be a great helpp if someone had a look at my army list I posted, otherwise I'm going in blind against my friends Necron Army
Make the most of the psychic phase. Necrons have no psykers of their own and generally poor psychic defenses. Power that lower leadership are good, as Necrons lack ATSKNF or Fearless.
What's your list?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/19 16:52:34
Subject: Re:What army is the strongest on the board?
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Dakka Veteran
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I currently running a list of predominantly daemonettes and Seekers but to be precise.
10 Seekers of Slannesh
20 Daemonettes
10 Khorn Bloodletter
Im not sure what to do with my heralds or what to equip my units with I was thinking of going.
1 herald of Khorn with etherblade
2 heralds of Slannesh mounted and with etherblade
1 herald of Slannesh un-mounted and with etherblade
Im not sure precisely how to use psychic powers as Im new to 40k so I just equipped a load of fast attack with etherblades to chop them to bits. Any advice would be greatly appreciated
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/19 17:04:24
Subject: Re:What army is the strongest on the board?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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I'd have to say Eldar and Necrons are probably the two strongest, although I'm not sure which is actually stronger. Probably Eldar because of Wraithknight spam. It should be noted that I've only faced Necrons once on the tabletop and that was not a decurion and there were only three wraiths. Just their special rules are crazy (especially RP and Gauss).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/19 18:10:40
Subject: Re:What army is the strongest on the board?
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Grizzyzz wrote:Reavas wrote:Huh, wouldn't have thought space marines were on the same tier as necrons and Tau. Also, R.I.P Sisters of Battle
Space marines have a lot of very subtle but powerful options now, with the Demacles Campaign books out now, White scars is very powerful. Space marines will always be competitive because its GW's first child if you will.
I was not surprised at all by the votes, I think Eldar's 7th book is the best "decurian/contingent/whateverNameYouWant" in terms of modularity. Every edition they release seems to get more and more taxed towards GW sales, over rules. (that is my opinion don't ask me for statistics or facts).
As stated Eldar's base units are very good, but I think what makes them as good as they are they are specialist by default. Every unit is 100% at what it was intended to do. Whereas a space marine for example is geared to be versatile and thus is not super great at any one thing.
Tau is great, they will always be in the running, everyone will complain about them, but no one will see them just sweep a tournaments top finishers.
Necrons are my bane. If I had to pick one army that I absolutely go into a game unsure how to win in any format its them. I can deal with Eldar.. but it's another thing dealing with attrition. When your opponent can just outlive you, there is less you are able to do.
This sentiment amuses me, because space marines were unusable crap in 2nd, mediocre in 4th, and towards the bottom in 5th. That's not always competitive.
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Jimsolo wrote:Space Marines.
Competitive Eldar I can handle. Metal box spam Marines I have yet to crack.
I find this almost unbelievable. Almost. Personally, I've gotten much closer to beating a gladius with BA than the Eldar. Much, much closer. And yes, I've never beaten either one of them. Sue me for not gitting good.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/19 18:14:58
Subject: What army is the strongest on the board?
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Cosmic Joe
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I'm going to assume the Dark Angels and CSM are joke votes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/19 18:17:25
Subject: What army is the strongest on the board?
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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It's sad when a codex as good as DA is a joke vote.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/19 18:22:07
Subject: Re:What army is the strongest on the board?
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Evasive Pleasureseeker
Lost in a blizzard, somewhere near Toronto
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Currently, I'd say that Eldar are by far and away the 'God' level tier, with Vanilla Marines, Decurion Necrons & Tau fighting it out for top spot in the 'A' tier.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/19 19:06:56
Subject: What army is the strongest on the board?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Eldar and Tau are the top dogs from a mechanics perspective. Skilled generalship can win through though. If you play with the ITC Tau nerf then they're still A tier, but if you play it as it was written with units sharing rules they will quickly annihilate even Eldar. More so with a good general.
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