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Guys, read this petition. It makes many good points and is worth signing. Necron models have become so ornamental that they are no longer the relentless killing machines they once were.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/bring-back-the-old-necrons

this is actually so true

Matt Ward signed it? Ugh OK..

I like the current fluff, it works.
As for models, yeah they can use some work, but the older models were still ugly as hell. But I agree, I want to be able to use monoliths and such with better effectiveness instead
of the usual Legion + Harvest + Cult take on a list. Newer wraiths look a lot better, and so do spiders, but the older destroyers looked pretty neat.

you mean, bring back the faceless, emotionless unstoppable metal skeletons who are wiping life out of the 'verse one planet at a time?


Why would GW do that? That would be like... listening to popular demand or something. In that respect, GW is JUST like the Conservative party in the UK - they just don't care

You're wrong about that, they care about people that give them money

 Frozocrone wrote:
You're wrong about that, they care about people that give them money

Oh God, the parallel with the Conservatives becomes ever clearer... you are of course right.

Ah yes, let us make them metal Tyranids again and have no unique characters.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Ah yes, let us make them metal Tyranids again and have no unique characters.

Well, they did that with the Dark Eldar and the Orks by removing independent characters and fluff.... so why not? Seems to be the thing to do these days

Yeah but MY independent characters have models!

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Yeah but MY independent characters have models!

Not for long... muahahaha (evil laugh)

you mean, bring back the faceless, emotionless unstoppable metal skeletons who are wiping life out of the 'verse one planet at a time?

this is what was so awesome about the necrons in 3rd edition - the mystery - GW killed all that in 5th and 7th

 applepieguy wrote:

you mean, bring back the faceless, emotionless unstoppable metal skeletons who are wiping life out of the 'verse one planet at a time?

this is what was so awesome about the necrons in 3rd edition - the mystery - GW killed all that in 5th and 7th

In the case of the 'Crons I agree. They were pretty bad-ass in the Dawn of War games before this whole Blood Angels bromance and emotional journey through space they currently seem to have

Oldcrons were boring. They were mindless killing robots and that was just that. There was nothing more to them. No depth. Just mindless killing robots. Even the Tyranids, who are mindless killing bugs, have more depth.
Besides, I happen to like the new Necron models. Tomb Kings in space FTW.

I disagree, the old necrons had more of a mysterious atmosphere to them, whereas some of the 'new' models are all glammed up and covered in unnecessary details

While the playstyle has changed with some good changes, I feel this image sums up the new look HQs

^^ sums it up really

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
but the older models were still ugly as hell.

I'm going to have to disagree there

Immortals are the same.
Warriors are the same.
Scarabs are the same.
Destroyers are the same

Wraiths and Spyders look better now, I'll give you that.

Flayed ones look worse now. They look ridiculous

Overlords would be fine if it weren't for that stupid turkey crest

Surely the fact that a pink Necron will be run over is a decent reason to sign, I'm sure my mate can video it.

I signed it !

Ehhhh,,, as much as I LOVED the old lore, I can see the other side's point of view.

I think a sort of compromise would be best.

Model-wise I do like a lot of the older sculpts (particularly Flayed Ones) but the new Canoptek stuff is better, while most of the range hasn't changed at all. I don't mind the characters having "bling" because to me they are a space-faring analogy to Egyptians anyway, right down to having Obelisks, pyramid-shaped Monoliths, ankh-like iconography, war-crowns, lots of light-based technology, scarabs, mummies (Flayed Ones), etc.

As for fluff, I don't think the new lore is great but I definitely think it is more interesting than the old background. Old was essentially "mysterious, ancient race is slowly awakening and exterminating all life" which is about as stereotypical sci-fi as it gets, and was aping off of Tyranids far too much. New actually has justification for their story arc - they want to reclaim their lost kingdoms and find a species to transfer their consciousness' to so as to rejoin the living - and adds distinct personalities to the Necrons.

I don't mind the whole "harbingers of destruction" arc but it has been done to death and is, again, a repeat of what Tyranids are. Mind, I really liked how terrifying the Necrons used to be and they most definitely lack that edge now. However, trading that edge for actual characterization and tangible motivations....new wins for me. New also gets points for being unique in the setting rather than just Tyranids 2.0 with robots. I don't think either old or new Necron fluff is particularly good but I certainly don't want them to dumb the race down again.

Yes, Because the old necrons had no decorations or anything. Just look at this second edition (I think it is..?) Necron Lord! Compleately bare and plain! Oh wait..
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/225100.page#487119

I actually vaguely remembered that model while I was typing but didn't think to bring it up lol. The weird thing is that early Necrons were definitely "Tomb Kings in space" then they changed to the "lifeless destroyers" in 3rd Edition as far as visual design is concerned, then back to their roots with 5th Edition onwards. Interesting stuff!

the 3rd edition fluff was definitely the best IMO, although they do play better now. That lord looks terrible (for me of course)

Merellin wrote:
Yes, Because the old necrons had no decorations or anything. Just look at this second edition (I think it is..?) Necron Lord! Compleately bare and plain! Oh wait..
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/225100.page#487119

And that model is terrible. 3rd ed lord was best lord.
I do like how in 2nd ed Necrons do not take leadership tests. That actually makes sense.
The 25% phase out rule looks better than 3rd as well, as it was on a unit by unit basis, not the whole army.

Nah, still prefer the new fluff.

 godardc wrote:
I signed it !

Thanks! The old Necrons definitely had mystery to them that is no longer present. The bling had ruined that relentless aura they had.
This is not a petition trying to rid the Necron army of units. It is solely for bringing back the sculpts that weren't coated in think layers of "showbiz"

From the petition:

Now Necron players have to wade through the endless pages of torturous new Necrons and decide on which piece of rubbish they will have to buy next

So...you want GW to change their basic business practice they employ with everything they touch? What does this have to do with Necrons?

Nah. Newcrons are more interesting than oldcrons.