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They may have more personality, but I think the mythos around the C'Tans was more interesting, than now just being shards that are used when the need arises.

Also the models are terrible since all the characters are finecrap and staffs with finecast always wapr/break/ look terrible.

TruCrons are not getting back. Retconning the changes would be GW admitting a mistake and that will never, ever happen. Before that happens, hell will freeze over. Or worse, GW reduces their prices.

Then again, what's stopping you from just playing the true fluff? I pla 5th anyway but even when I still played 6th, I just took the true fluff and the most current set of rules, reformated it a bit to look genuine and then printed it to one file having my own codex that both combined the true fluff and the latest set of rules. Requires some work, fosho, but a real TruCron player is willing to walk the extra mile.

We can sit back and let these otherwise awesome models get all "blinged" up, or you can sign the petition (not set up by me) and see how many people actually preferred the old styles.

Also, updated petition with new and clearer details;
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/bring-back-the-old-necrons





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 Sigvatr wrote:
TruCrons are not getting back.
Then again, what's stopping you from just playing the true fluff? I pla 5th anyway but even when I still played 6th, I just took the true fluff and the most current set of rules, reformated it a bit to look genuine and then printed it to one file having my own codex that both combined the true fluff and the latest set of rules. Requires some work, fosho, but a real TruCron player is willing to walk the extra mile.

Should Necron players have to walk that extra mile? You never know what could happen, and this petition is the start of something. The petition has also been updated, as its goal was unclear.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/bring-back-the-old-necrons


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Lego_las181 wrote:
these otherwise awesome models get all "blinged" up

I see what this guy means, some of the newer models like the named lords are way too over detailed

... there is nothing to the New-Crons that removes the ability to play them like Old-Crons. That is entirely what Destroyer Lords are for.

Count me as a vote for senile robot space pirate badasses.

 Psienesis wrote:
... there is nothing to the New-Crons that removes the ability to play them like Old-Crons. That is entirely what Destroyer Lords are for.

he is not saying there is, but it is harder to play necrons in the old phalanx style now

necronlad42 wrote:

Lego_las181 wrote:
these otherwise awesome models get all "blinged" up

I see what this guy means, some of the newer models like the named lords are way too over detailed

You apparently do not remember Assholetep.

There was a petition to GW last year with over 10k worth of signatures and nothing happened out of it. I wish you luck

Lego_las181 wrote:


You sir, know what you're talking about

Damn right I do, if there's one thing I do, then it's shoving TruCron down people's faces. A lot.

Most people just didn't understand Necrons and only consider them being terminators in space, not aware of or not paying enough attention to the tragic backstory that led to the Necrontyr's dark fate. Driven into madness by fate, the Necrontyr saw no other choice but to trust the strongest corporeal beings in the entire 40k universe, the C'tan. At the end - I cannot blame them. The Necrontyr's lives were terrible at best. Living until your mid 20s, then dying, growing up in a world that consisted of nothing but tombs? And then, one day, they received the chance to turn it all around. It was the most sound decision at that point and while effectively, the Necrontyr race was extincted and all that remains are the soulless automatons nowadays called "Necrons". The entire race sacrificed itself just to get a chance to eradicate their enemies from the face of the universe and it's /that/ hate that still drives them...apart of their evil masters, the C'tan. The latter are the strongest corporeal being in 40k, with the Chaos Gods being their corpo...faux? counterparts. The mere presence (!) of The Outsider let an entire (!!) Swarm Fleet turn around in fear (!!!), The Void Dragon almost killed the Emperor and now corrupts mankind from the inside and The Nightbringer influenced the entire human race while ultimatively being the last thing the universe will see. The C'tan are such interesting beings and it's a shame that GW doesn't have any good writers left who would be willing to elaborate on that rich background.

Then again, why bother if if you can have more PEWPEWRATATATATATA FOR ZE EMPRAAAAHH WE ARE ZE SPACE MAHREEEENS stories?

I too prefer the old fluff. The new necrons really lack much of a purpose in the 40k universe.

Eldar are the ancient alien race who once ruled the stars with mighty technology
Tyranids are the inevitable, unstoppable doom coming to everything
Chaos are the evil, and opponent to the imperium who reside in te darkness of the universe

Why do we need necrons to ape all of these traits to only make a far less interesting and far less threatening enemy.

The best way to go in my opinion is go back to some of the old fluff, but give them a sort of lovecraftian feel and influences.

necronlad42 wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
... there is nothing to the New-Crons that removes the ability to play them like Old-Crons. That is entirely what Destroyer Lords are for.

he is not saying there is, but it is harder to play necrons in the old phalanx style now

It's a lot easier actually. If 7th is similar to 6th, there was that super formation with 100+ (200+?) Necrons granting a 4+ (iirc) WBB and with all upgrades considered, making them a nigh-unstoppable force. Unless 7th (or was it even 6th?) started with the HEY LET'S GIVE EVERYONE THE D bullpoo to cater to the kids. But then again, why would anyone even consider playing 7th?

Clockwork Iron wrote:
I too prefer the old fluff. The new necrons really lack much of a purpose in the 40k universe.

Eldar are the ancient alien race who once ruled the stars with mighty technology
Tyranids are the inevitable, unstoppable doom coming to everything
Chaos are the evil, and opponent to the imperium who reside in te darkness of the universe

Why do we need necrons to ape all of these traits to only make a far less interesting and far less threatening enemy.

The best way to go in my opinion is go back to some of the old fluff, but give them a sort of lovecraftian feel and influences.

...because people like SPACE MAHREEEENZ and what's better than SPACE MAHREEENZ? MOAR SPACE MAHREEENZ that look like robots!

Not really, no.
The newcrons have a wider diversity than the oldcrons. Indeed, aspects of the oldcrons still exist as whole dynasties. You want your mindless robots? Fine, go play Empire of the Severed/Sakoni Emperor army. You want Red Harvests? Well they still exist, it's just that they aren't about feeding the C'Tan anymore.

The only thing the new codex really removed (beside the whole 'unknown horror vibe, but that mainly came from the lack of actual fluff about the Necrons. Seriously what fluff we had was mostly 'these metal robots came from nowhere and killed some people'... dun dun dun!) is the all-powerful C'Tan controlling everything. Even then, GWs whole thing as of late has been 'Forge the Narrative'. So go out and do it! Who's to say your Necrons don't believe that the C'Tan are true Gods that should be worshiped.

Going back to oldcrons after the variety the newcrons gave us without taking anywhere near as much away as most people realise would be a regression.

Bring back oldcrons, and old C'TAN mhu ha ha ha fear my D hell flamers and the trans D slide.

But seriously I love their new options but I would like it even more if they got a bit of their aliennes back. They now just seem to bee thin marines that don't go down and all have discount grav weapons instead of mechanical horrors that rise from their graves

What I REALLY want...

Pariahs. I want my pariahs back.

Edit: And Cthulu-like horror from the C'tan.

Edit 2: And Oldcron Flayed Ones fluff

Edit 3: Okay, dammit, I recant my previous post to an extent. My heart truly desires the return of the oldcrons. BUUUUTTTT... my head knows that a mix of both new and old would be best... or, you know, having someone who's at least somewhat competent write the fluff.

Screw mystery, Newcrons ftw. I love that Necron's can actually have novels written about them now. The only way to do that is to give them personality and dialogue in the 40k universe.
There's only so long Necron's would have been able to stay dull and 'mysterious' before they got overshadowed by the interesting storylines of the other races.

The models, even if they are over-detailed, look much better than the old models by a long shot. I do 1+ removing Anrakyr's dress though.

If you don't like the fancy bling, don't build your characters with it. I didn't.

I enjoyed the old Necrons, but the new ones have started to grow on me. Back in the day the major complaint about Necrons was their lack of diversity. I would like it if Games Workshop could come to a compromise on the matter. Keep the range diversity while getting back some of the eldritch horror.

The "new" Necrons may have more "personality"...but that's not really what they're supposed to have. What made them interesting was being the C'thulu-esque unknowable tide of termi-zombies. The "Tomb Kings in Spaaaaaaaace" reboot was a really lame, and poorly executed, cop-out, they're a thin copy-paste job of a Fantasy army, and they're just not that interesting. They've become simply far too...human.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Not really, no.
The newcrons have a wider diversity than the oldcrons. Indeed, aspects of the oldcrons still exist as whole dynasties. You want your mindless robots? Fine, go play Empire of the Severed/Sakoni Emperor army. You want Red Harvests? Well they still exist, it's just that they aren't about feeding the C'Tan anymore.

Going back to oldcrons after the variety the newcrons gave us without taking anywhere near as much away as most people realise would be a regression.

Newcrons have fantastic units and are incredibly diverse yes, but the models for these units are the issue. They have too much bling on them, which takes away from the awesome "unstoppable robots" feel to the army.


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 Nightwolf829 wrote:
I enjoyed the old Necrons, but the new ones have started to grow on me. Back in the day the major complaint about Necrons was their lack of diversity. I would like it if Games Workshop could come to a compromise on the matter. Keep the range diversity while getting back some of the eldritch horror.

As I've said before, the new units are actually really nice but the models need to be toned done hugely. The designers are just sitting there like; "Needs more orbs..."


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 daBIGboss wrote:
I do 1+ removing Anrakyr's dress though.

I know, the rest of him is amazing!


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 King Pariah wrote:

Okay, dammit, I recant my previous post to an extent. My heart truly desires the return of the oldcrons. BUUUUTTTT... my head knows that a mix of both new and old would be best... or, you know, having someone who's at least somewhat competent write the fluff.

Old style models for the new units is the petitions goal. And yeah, Blood Angel buddies...

Hey guys, I quickly made this poll to find out how many prefer the new or old fluff
http://goo.gl/6MiUOT




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 King Pariah wrote:
What I REALLY want...

Pariahs. I want my pariahs back.

ikr! Pariahs were cool I have no idea why they got rid of them.

The reason they are not brought back is it would punish the psyker armies that are ever prevalent now-a-days. Gotta save that for the expensive assassin models.

oz of the north wrote:
The reason they are not brought back is it would punish the psyker armies that are ever prevalent now-a-days. Gotta save that for the expensive assassin models.

Yes, because Pariahs were always a cheap unit...

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Yes, because Pariahs were always a cheap unit...

...and so useful!

warscythes used to be so cool - no saves of any kind allowed if I remember right

Warcythes ignored all Armour and Invulnerable saves, yeah. Pariah ones also included a Gauss Blaster, although Lord ones did not, sadly.

I had great fun with a unit of Pariahs once - against Grey Knights. "You're all Psykers, you say..? With Force Weapons..? I'm only I2, you know..."

I've played Necrons since third and the new fluff is just better. Plus there is still nothing that prevents you from playing them like an eldrict horror that oldcron players like.

Bah, youngling. I've been playing Necrons since second edition, and I recognise that the new fluff and the old fluff aren't that different, the time line has just moved on - like people wanted!

 Furyou Miko wrote:
I've been playing Necrons since second edition, and I recognise that the new fluff and the old fluff aren't that different, the time line has just moved on - like people wanted!

A lot of people think otherwise
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/436499.page

It's very clear that NewCron fluff isn't TruCron fluff "evolved". It's vastly different.

Seriously, I'd love to see how SPACE MAHREEEENZ players would react if GW suddenly said that The Emperor was all a lie and instead of him being one real entity, it was a bunch of Psykers pretending to be him. It's an evolution, guys!