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So with the new box set I'm finally getting into 30k. I recently found 3 primarchs on ebay (Horus, Fulgrim, and Angron). I couldn't decide between the 3 so I put in a bid on all of them and let fate decide which legion I would play. Fortunately, I won the Angron mode, I like bloodthirsty berserkers

So my question to you is how good is the Calth box set, model wise, for World Eaters? What units should I add? And does anyone have the Horus Heresy Book with their legion rules for sale? Thanks a bunch!

It's a good set, but not for world eaters, ideally you need to get 30 ccw and pistols, or pay the points for the extra ccw with the bolter, but then the bolter marines don't really feel world eater...ey, the termies can easily stand in for red butchers until you get them, the dread is good but ideally needs another ccw, the Praetor and chaplain are easy to convert into whatever you like, so other than the tacs, which is the largest part of the set, it's ok, just not great for eaters.

I should have plenty of ccw and bolt pistols in my 40k bits that I could fit the basic marines with. It probably won't look completely right but not terribly bad.

Different strokes for different folks, personally I regard at least one big-ass bolter squad as being mandatory for a 30k World Eater force - it highlights the fact that they *aren't* Khorne Berzerkers *yet* which is pretty much the whole point of 30k.

The problem is that all World Eaters get to upgrade their ccw's to chainaxes, which are free so pretty much a no-brainer, and chain-axes *are* somewhat harder to source than regular ccws.

Are Chainaxes actually worth anything in 30k though?

 l0k1 wrote:
Are Chainaxes actually worth anything in 30k though?

They're brilliant the first time you go up against Mechanicum/Auxilia/Militia/anybody with a 4+, and suddenly nobody gets an armour save in CC against your rank and file troops.

To the OP...it's solid enough for WE. You're going to want lots of Tacticals (more than most legions), and 30 is a good start. Yes, you'll want to add CCWs and ideally chainaxes, but it sounds like you're sorting that out. And while Red Butchers are a terrific unit, the Cataphractii are much more flexible and are certainly a solid unit. I have both. *shrug*

My plans for my BaC Contemptor involve doing some conversion work and magnetizing so that I can field it as a Mortis, or with chainfist/dccw/two graviton guns for use in a dread drop pod. Either way, it's going to be a can opener, which WE need.

Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't the wording for the chain axe upgrade read that you get them for free?

It's something like "any model that can upgrade to take a close combat weapon may instead take a chain-axe for free"

So if that's true then just shove chain axes on the stock BaC bolter guys and run them around in big blobs like Orks, or you know put them in a LR or Spartan or something.

Aside from that, as Gashrog said, they're not 40K World Eaters, there's certainly nothing wrong with running support squads with special or heavy weapons.

The Cataphractii are not the same armor type as Red Butchers, but as mentioned, are more flexible and overall a solid choice in any Legion army.

You can actually run Berserker Assault out of 2 BaC boxes, take 3 units of 20 crazy dudes with chain axes that get Hatred outside of their deployment zone.

You can choose to go with Bloodlust or Blood Madness for them, either is good, not sure if one limits more than the other. I just know in Berserker Assault you cannot take more tanks or fliers than units on foot, but that's not a huge limitation IMO.

Forge World's Red Butcher sculpts are *almost* unrecognizable as Cataphtractii (from the front at least), but that is what the Red Butcher rules says they wear.

Oh so there you go, just a few crafty conversions and you've got their best legion special unit as well.

Not sure on Ravagers, but most people tend to say they're overpriced, but then maybe they're also fun to play?

 More Dakka wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't the wording for the chain axe upgrade read that you get them for free?

There's a long-running debate about the wording. But that's for someplace like YMDC and not here.

Basically, be prepared to pay for the chainaxes, because some players will feel quite strongly that your bolter tacs shouldn't get them for free. And being a 30K gentleman and not a 40K reprobate, you should be okay with that.

 gorgon wrote:

 More Dakka wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't the wording for the chain axe upgrade read that you get them for free?

There's a long-running debate about the wording. But that's for someplace like YMDC and not here.

Basically, be prepared to pay for the chainaxes, because some players will feel quite strongly that your bolter tacs shouldn't get them for free. And being a 30K gentleman and not a 40K reprobate, you should be okay with that.

What debate? I didn't realise there was a debate?

Ok so thinking about it, heres what you could do.

Praetor, swap out its weapons for whatever you.like, add it to the termies / red butchers.

15 man despoiler squad, sarge with artificer and power axe, melta bomb
Same again

Convert the chaplain into a primaris medicae to attach to the termies/red butchers

Buy a pack of Legion apothecaries and extra claw for dread, all round this is a solid start for world eaters.

The debate is more or less whether WE get free chainswords (for any model who could conceivably buy a CCW), or get a free swap of CCWs for chainswords. Classic RAW vs. RAI stuff.

It's gone round and round on Heresy 30K, B&C, and even come up on YMDC here. Let's not get into it because it's definitely off-topic and will derail the OP's thread.

well, what you can do is build them up as tacticals and pay for them to have extra CCWs, which does the job and gives you versatility. also, you don't have to worry about wysiwyg since you can glue the sheathed weapons and have them loaded out with the bolters. this way, you mitigate the "outrage" or people whining about free CCWs

As of right now I don't think anyone is playing 30k around here, probably due to the ridiculous price of the FW rulebooks, so building an army would be more for painting or possibly using with my CSM.

Attaching sheathed weapons is a pretty easy idea, and even if people here start playing we aren't WAAC players so it shouldn't be an issue


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So looking at the rule book I gotta say, Sons of Horus seem like slightly better CC army than World Eaters. This saddens me lol.

Provided you're playing the RAW that they get free chain-axes (and if you played me I would say yes, yes they do). then World Eaters are better as a CC oriented army. The cc abilities of Sons of Horus/Luna Wolves is situational. It usually requires other conditions being met, vs Berserker Assault, where the only condition is being out of your own deployment zone.

I think Night Lords have them both beat since Talent for Murder takes effect as long as you outnumber your opponent, and counts bulky etc. to that total.

Ultimately it's way less about what is good/competitive and more about the style of army you want to play. If you like to outmaneuver your opponent and hit them with very precision based strikes then Sons of Horus/Luna Wolves is the better choice. If you like screaming madmen charging up the middle of the board then World Eaters is the better choice.

Having bought Angron, I think I'm already dedicated to World Eaters. Reading through their rules I wish my Khorne Berserkers had these rules lol.

So do I need Horus Heresy Book 1 and 2 to play?

I don't think the chainaxes need to come into it. The combo of Rage and Hatred -- with the chance to pick up Furious Charge too -- is quite strong. That's all reliant on getting the charge, but that's what Spartans are for. And Spartans are good at what they do.

I like Reavers more than Rampagers overall, but Red Butchers are just a better unit than Justaerin. Horus is crazy good, but even if Angron might not be the top dog in primarch vs. primarch battles, he's a Cuisinart vs. almost anything else.

I think WE are plenty good at what they do, it's just that (appropriately) what they do isn't very flexible or subtle.

That's pretty much the reasoning I had come to. I CAN use chainaxes, but the sheer weight of attacks should be enough to wipe a unit or send it running for the hills.

A Spartan tank will probably be in my future but we'll see what happens when I get my tax return lol.

I say start off with just boots on the ground backed up with some long range hitting power, like heavy support squads, learn what they can handle and what they can't before you start shoving them into Spartans or LR's.

I've played Orks for long enough that I know just T4 alone is enough to carry you across the board.

I planned on picking up a lot of basic guys, mostly from the BaC set. Long range supoort us definitely going to happen.

The spartan is for a large squad of red butchers and Angron

 l0k1 wrote:
Having bought Angron, I think I'm already dedicated to World Eaters. Reading through their rules I wish my Khorne Berserkers had these rules lol.

So do I need Horus Heresy Book 1 and 2 to play?

Indeed, in the books 1 and 2 you'll find all the WE units and rules. Not sure though if one of the red books is sufficient.

If the legions astartes crusade list has everything for the WE I'll buy that up, but I get the feeling that it covers the generic units but not the legions specific units/rules. If that's the case, I hope the red Isstavan campaign book becomes available again.

The Crusade Army List book only contains the generic units, whilst the Isstvan Legions book only contains Legion specific rules and units.

That's what I figured. They might be releasing an updated version with all of the legions later.